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Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#921 » by doclinkin » Sat Sep 28, 2024 7:44 pm

badinage wrote:I like this KAT trade for Minnesota. I think it makes them a more versatile, tougher team. Randle and DiVincenzo — that’s hard-nosedness, shooting, scrap.

Just makes me wish all the more we had shelled out for homeboy x 2 (Baltimore native and Wizards FO alum) Tim Connelly when the opportunity was there.


I don't strictly like it for either team personally.

I'm 50/50 for Minny. Can see it working and can see them bogging down. Okay you get a toughness upgrade shipping out a guy who wilted under pressure in the playoffs. Still in the West I think you need the option to play giant against the Joker/Chet/Wemby/LA front court. The Randle/Gobert combo seems like it further clogs the middle, since Randle's game has improved over the past year when he concentrated on taking more interior shots and fewer wild ranged jumpers. Antman needs room to operate. Dunno.

For New York. I thought we've seen this before. Did KAT and Thibbs work in Minny? I know he took far fewer outside shots under the Penguin, and his rebounding totals were higher, but he also got shredded by Jimmy Butler for being soft as one-ply tissue. The difference is Minnesota is nice. New York is the antimatter equivalent of nice. You ship out beloved grit and guts players like Randle and Donte and bring in a guy who disintegrates under scrutiny. If he comes up weak in the scrum New York is going to boo so loud it shows up on the Richter scale. How does this fix the toughness deficit you lost with Hartenstein's departure to OKC? Okay you have a ton of 3pt shooters, but you are relying on basically only Josh Hart to rebound all those misses.

New York replaced DiVincenzo with Shamet. Randle + Hartenstein with Puddy TAT. I don't think it's going to go so well.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#922 » by LyricalRico » Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:26 pm

The Wolves had to get out from under Kat's contract, and I also think they wanted to cement themselves as the ultra-gritty team we saw flashes of in the Denver series. They get short-term value, long-term savings, and double down on being the kind of team they think can come out of the West. I think this is a win for them (although I may change my mind after the first Randle ISO freezing out Ant lol).

doclinkin wrote:New York replaced DiVincenzo with Shamet. Randle + Hartenstein with Puddy TAT. I don't think it's going to go so well.


:lol: Completely agree. I think they'll be fine in the regular season, but teams like Boston and Philly who would meet them in the playoffs are breathing easier after this IMO. Indy too IMO.

I'd also be interested to know if adding a big salary at the expense of keeping the Nova squad together was what Brunson left all that money on the table for. Cuz if he thought that money was supposed to keep Dante in NY... :o
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#923 » by nate33 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:02 pm

JAR69 wrote:I know I'm slightly obsessed with trynig to get our protected pick back, but we should try to hijack the Charlotte part of the NYK-MIN deal. We should be happy to take the sign-and-trade salary (DaQuan Jeffries) and whatever else they need to add in to make the salaries match. We have enough room under the first apron and trade exceptions to make it work. The only issue is roster size - I think we are at 15 already, so we would have to cut at least one player or make another (2 for 1) trade.

Back when we still had Deni and a promising 2024 pick not yet named, I had some mild concerns that we might conceivably be good enough in the 2025-26 to finish outside of the bottom 8 and lose that pick. I could envision a lineup of Sheppard, Poole, Deni, Flagg and JV, with Coulibaly and Kuzma (or Bub) off the bench being good enough to get to 35 wins if Flagg turned out to be the real deal.

I'm no longer concerned. The Deni trade and the drafting of the extremely raw Sarr has definitely pushed back our timetable. Even if we land Cooper Flagg and he is really good his rookie season, there's no way the team will win more than 28-30 games in 2025-26. Next season, Sarr, Bub and Coulibaly, at ages 20, 20 and 21 respectively, will not be plus players. If it comes down to it, all we will need to do is trade Kuzma or JV away if we start getting close to the 8th seed.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#924 » by AFM » Sat Sep 28, 2024 11:29 pm

I like it more for NY I think. I'm just not sold on Randle at all at this point.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#925 » by 9 and 20 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:47 am

KAT is one my least favorite players. Softest big man in the league.

Minny gets some rotation guys out of the monstrous KAT contract, which is probably good enough given their cap situation. NYC gets a talent upgrade but for as talented as he is, I don't think KAT is much of a net positive
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#926 » by closg00 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 12:43 pm

Getting Yabusele for 2M may be one of the best off-season moves by a playoff team.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#927 » by I_Like_Dirt » Tue Oct 8, 2024 3:54 pm

closg00 wrote:Getting Yabusele for 2M may be one of the best off-season moves by a playoff team.
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I like Yabusele but we know he can dominate international play against weaker competition. Dominating the Breakers doesn't really tell us if his ability to be effective in the NBA has improved at all. I'm a bit worried that his conditioning is going to slow him down once the opponents start getting stronger, faster and playing harder.

He's never been a guy who could play 30 mpg and he slight down to just 20 mpg in the ACB last season. In the NBA, is he a 15 mpy player? Still a useful guy to have around but "best offseason moves" strikes me as overstaying it.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#928 » by payitforward » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:08 pm

Dillon Jones was picked by the Knicks at 26 (using the pick we traded to get KG at 24) but wound up in OKC.
He went 8-11 including a 3-pointer in his debut.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#929 » by closg00 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 7:50 pm

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closg00 wrote:Getting Yabusele for 2M may be one of the best off-season moves by a playoff team.
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I like Yabusele but we know he can dominate international play against weaker competition. Dominating the Breakers doesn't really tell us if his ability to be effective in the NBA has improved at all. I'm a bit worried that his conditioning is going to slow him down once the opponents start getting stronger, faster and playing harder.

He's never been a guy who could play 30 mpg and he slight down to just 20 mpg in the ACB last season. In the NBA, is he a 15 mpy player? Still a useful guy to have around but "best offseason moves" strikes me as overstaying it.


You’re first point has already been disproven, he is in the NBA now because he was effective playing against the NBA’s best players at the Olympics.

Re: Whether it was one of the best off-season moves, I wrote that it “may” be, not that it is was, and I was conservative. A survey of NBA GM’s ranked Philly’s off season a close 2nd best to OKC’s
1. OKC 37%
2. Philly 33%
3. NYK 20%
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/philadelphia-76ers/news/nba-gm-survey-76ers-best-offseason-title-top-championship-contender-okc-thunder-2024/5b6627aa0afda3c7ab9b4cb1
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#930 » by I_Like_Dirt » Tue Oct 8, 2024 9:00 pm

closg00 wrote:You’re first point has already been disproven, he is in the NBA now because he was effective playing against the NBA’s best players at the Olympics.

Re: Whether it was one of the best off-season moves, I wrote that it “may” be, not that it is was, and I was conservative. A survey of NBA GM’s ranked Philly’s off season a close 2nd best to OKC’s
1. OKC 37%
2. Philly 33%
3. NYK 20%
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/philadelphia-76ers/news/nba-gm-survey-76ers-best-offseason-title-top-championship-contender-okc-thunder-2024/5b6627aa0afda3c7ab9b4cb1


He averaged 17 mpg over 3 games in the Olympics with international rules averaging as many fouls as rebounds and as many turnovers as assists. I'm not sure how you can argue that proves anything.

As doe Philly having the 2nd best offseason, sure. But Yabusele is a drop in the bucket there. Their offseason included re-signing Maxey, Lowry and Oubre, signing George, Gordon, Martin, Drummond and Jackson, and having Jared McCain fall into their laps in the draft. NBA GMs liking their offseason has a lot more to do with that stuff than signing Yabusele for the minimum. You can tell NBA GMs liked the other stuff more because lots of them would have paid more than the minimum for most of those other guys but none of them were willing to pay more than the minimum for Yabusele. Yabusele wasn't even a tip 3 Sixers offseason move let alone one of the best offseason moves in the league.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#931 » by closg00 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 11:42 pm

My original comment was:

Getting Yabusele for 2M Getting Yabusele for 2M may be one of the best off-season moves by a playoff team “MAY” be one of the best off-season moves by a playoff team.”

We won’t know either way for a while, but it MAY end-up being true.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#932 » by Frichuela » Wed Oct 9, 2024 1:47 pm

As usual, Miami strikes gold in the draft again...

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#933 » by closg00 » Wed Oct 9, 2024 2:54 pm

Frichuela wrote:As usual, Miami strikes gold in the draft again...

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Yes they did again it appears, didn’t know aware had a mid-range game. The pack narrative that this was a “weak” draft class could end up being the opposite, some of these kids have looked good so-far, but it’s only preseason.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#934 » by closg00 » Wed Oct 9, 2024 3:12 pm

Happy for ATL, I could be massively wrong about Risacher.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#935 » by closg00 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:52 pm

Truth, plays like a vet, the Spurs love him.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#936 » by payitforward » Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:07 am

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#937 » by closg00 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:55 pm

I always love pick-off opportunities, the Lakers will not have room for Olivari.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#938 » by payitforward » Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:19 pm

closg00 wrote:Truth, plays like a vet, the Spurs love him.
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Stephon Castle, that is....

OTOH, he did have 6 turnovers in 19 minutes vs. OKC, so... a little early to fit a crown on his head! :)
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#939 » by payitforward » Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:38 pm

Here's something I just now figured out -- it's a minor move by GS, but it's weird & interesting.

The Warriors owned the #52 pick in the last draft.
They traded the pick to OKC in return for Lindy Waters.
OKC then sold the pick to Portland for cash.
The Warriors then bought the pick back from Portland for cash.

Complicated!
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#940 » by payitforward » Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:45 pm

Ok, this is fun....

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