The Amazingly Suck Theodore Leonsis Thread

[pineappleheadindc]

It must be something in the water. Ted's comments are increasingly sounding more and more divorced from reality.

His entire goal should be Championship, not 1st round loss in playoffs. But apparently, getting in and losing is all he needs to make more money from the sheeple and enjoy his "double bottom line life." (Which, by the way, is as tone deaf as the Slurs "winning the off season.")

[hands11]

Leonsis ranked 16th among owners? Hmm, right in the middle, just like his team. Probably about right. I'd probably rate him lower because he kept Grunfeld on the job and allowed Wittman to be awarded the coaching job without so much as talking to another candidate. But, he did help negotiate the new TV deal, so that counts in his favor.

Its not just where he ranks in total against other longer team owner. Give some context.. Which was already covered.

Its where he ranks among his comps..

New owners then
Rebuilding team from scratch that needed blown up first.

Maybe he never ranks higher then he is right now. We will see. These playoff will have something to do with that.

[montestewart]

Leonsis ranked 16th among owners? Hmm, right in the middle, just like his team. Probably about right. I'd probably rate him lower because he kept Grunfeld on the job and allowed Wittman to be awarded the coaching job without so much as talking to another candidate. But, he did help negotiate the new TV deal, so that counts in his favor.

Its not just where he ranks in total against other longer team owner. Give some context.. Which was already covered.

Its where he ranks among his comps..

New owners then
Rebuilding team from scratch that needed blown up first.

Maybe he never ranks higher then he is right now. We will see. These playoff will have something to do with that.

Make a list of the owners ranked according to the number of years they have owned the team, then double-laterally cross correspond that list with the current owner rankings, in order to offer a meaningful quality-to-duration index. Do as Nivek does, let the numbers sell your point. Until then, it's all just sophistry.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Leonsis ranked 16th among owners? Hmm, right in the middle, just like his team. Probably about right. I'd probably rate him lower because he kept Grunfeld on the job and allowed Wittman to be awarded the coaching job without so much as talking to another candidate. But, he did help negotiate the new TV deal, so that counts in his favor.

Its not just where he ranks in total against other longer team owner. Give some context.. Which was already covered.

Its where he ranks among his comps..

New owners then
Rebuilding team from scratch that needed blown up first.

Maybe he never ranks higher then he is right now. We will see. These playoff will have something to do with that.

I think this is nonsense. The job Leonsis has done as team owner can be evaluated in comparison to the job other owners are doing. Length of tenure is meaningless. His comps? More nonsense. He has 29 comps in the NBA, not some arbitrary subset carefully chosen to make sure he looks as good as possible.

[hands11]

Leonsis ranked 16th among owners? Hmm, right in the middle, just like his team. Probably about right. I'd probably rate him lower because he kept Grunfeld on the job and allowed Wittman to be awarded the coaching job without so much as talking to another candidate. But, he did help negotiate the new TV deal, so that counts in his favor.

Its not just where he ranks in total against other longer team owner. Give some context.. Which was already covered.

Its where he ranks among his comps..

New owners then
Rebuilding team from scratch that needed blown up first.

Maybe he never ranks higher then he is right now. We will see. These playoff will have something to do with that.

I think this is nonsense. The job Leonsis has done as team owner can be evaluated in comparison to the job other owners are doing. Length of tenure is meaningless. His comps? More nonsense. He has 29 comps in the NBA, not some arbitrary subset carefully chosen to make sure he looks as good as possible.

Not nonsense. You saying it is ..that's the nonsense.

New owners of blown up teams is not the same as established owners of established teams. You best argument would be, well he does have professional sports ownership experience as a owner of a Hockey team so he isn't like a new owner that never owned a sport franchise.

Wizards team success drives those ranking a lot. So does name recognition and reputation of franchise success. If the Wizard make it the second round, he will move up the list for next year. If they have a first round exit. He likely falls. Its as simple as that.

He took over for a blown up team with a terrible reputation. He isn't going to raise up the list but so far without Ws and playoff success over several years. Which is why he has risen up the list as far has he has already. Its because of round 2 playoffs last year along with a few other things like PR about KD to DC, PP coming here. But mostly its about Ws and the playoffs.

Not sure why you have an issue with putting things in context. Context is not nonsense. Actually the opposite is true. Lack of context is nonsense. You have an axe to grind so I get why you frame things the way you do. It fits your narrative.

What I want for this front office has nothing to do with why Ted is ranked where he is right now. They are two separate things. Even if I wanted a new owner ( which we aren't getting anyway ) I would still explain his ranking the same way. They are two separate things.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Its not just where he ranks in total against other longer team owner. Give some context.. Which was already covered.

Its where he ranks among his comps..

New owners then
Rebuilding team from scratch that needed blown up first.

Maybe he never ranks higher then he is right now. We will see. These playoff will have something to do with that.

I think this is nonsense. The job Leonsis has done as team owner can be evaluated in comparison to the job other owners are doing. Length of tenure is meaningless. His comps? More nonsense. He has 29 comps in the NBA, not some arbitrary subset carefully chosen to make sure he looks as good as possible.

Not nonsense. You saying it is ..that's the nonsense.

New owners of blown up teams is not the same as established owners of established teams. You best argument would be, well he does have professional sports ownership experience as a owner of a Hockey team so he isn't like a new owner that never owned a sport franchise.

Wizards team success drives those ranking a lot. So does name recognition. If the Wizard make it the second round, he will move up the list for next year. If they have a first round exit. He likely falls. Its as simple as that.

Not sure why you have an issue with putting things in context. Context is not nonsense. Actually the opposite is true. Lack of context is nonsense.

Nope, the nonsense is coming from you. I'm considering context in my evaluation of Leonsis. Obviously not every circumstance is identical. But, we can still compare the job he's done in HIS situation to the job others have done in THEIR situations. Even accounting for differences from situation to situation, I think ranking him about average as owner seems about right.

Not sure why you think your reading of context is the only one possible. Not sure why you think others don't consider context when they're making evaluations.

[hands11]

I think this is nonsense. The job Leonsis has done as team owner can be evaluated in comparison to the job other owners are doing. Length of tenure is meaningless. His comps? More nonsense. He has 29 comps in the NBA, not some arbitrary subset carefully chosen to make sure he looks as good as possible.

Not nonsense. You saying it is ..that's the nonsense.

New owners of blown up teams is not the same as established owners of established teams. You best argument would be, well he does have professional sports ownership experience as a owner of a Hockey team so he isn't like a new owner that never owned a sport franchise.

Wizards team success drives those ranking a lot. So does name recognition. If the Wizard make it the second round, he will move up the list for next year. If they have a first round exit. He likely falls. Its as simple as that.

Not sure why you have an issue with putting things in context. Context is not nonsense. Actually the opposite is true. Lack of context is nonsense.

Nope, the nonsense is coming from you. I'm considering context in my evaluation of Leonsis. Obviously not every circumstance is identical. But, we can still compare the job he's done in HIS situation to the job others have done in THEIR situations. Even accounting for differences from situation to situation, I think ranking him about average as owner seems about right.

Not sure why you think your reading of context is the only one possible. Not sure why you think others don't consider context when they're making evaluations.

Sure.. We can do that. And we can make a list. But we are talking about the ESPN list.

The reason I don't think you took that context is because you dismissed mine as nonsense and told us nothing else matter except where he is.

What I wrote was not nonsense. I except him listed where he is against all owner. That is legit as a snap shot. Its also true to add the context I did that shows he is doing well as a newer owner.

That is a list they didn't do and that was my comment.

Among new owners..he is doing very well. Its a separate list. Both are valid.

[TGW]

TSW—don't bother. The ignore feature is your friend.

[TheSecretWeapon]

TSW—don't bother. The ignore feature is your friend.

Nah man, I'm totally convinced that when we evaluate Leonsis in proper context, it's clear he's the best current owner of the Washington Wizards. No one else compares to the standard he sets.

[TGW]

TSW—don't bother. The ignore feature is your friend.

Nah man, I'm totally convinced that when we evaluate Leonsis in proper context, it's clear he's the best current owner of the Washington Wizards. No one else compares to the standard he sets.

Well of course. You already know—Leonsis is just cleaning up the mess Abe created.

[hands11]

TSW—don't bother. The ignore feature is your friend.

Nah man, I'm totally convinced that when we evaluate Leonsis in proper context, it's clear he's the best current owner of the Washington Wizards. No one else compares to the standard he sets.

Fine.

Whatever

I'll be here when you want an honest debate

[payitforward]

TSW—don't bother. The ignore feature is your friend.

Nah man, I'm totally convinced that when we evaluate Leonsis in proper context, it's clear he's the best current owner of the Washington Wizards. No one else compares to the standard he sets.

Fine.

Whatever

I'll be here when you want an honest debate

This is kind of sad. Now you think Nivek is posting things that are not "honest"?? Are there any posts that differ with yours that are all the same legitimate "debate"?

The team Ted took over went 26-56. This year, five years later, we went 46-26 -- that is, we have gained 20 wins, 4 wins a year, in half a decade.

In that period, we have had more draft picks I believe than pretty much any other team. As well, I think we've also had *higher* draft picks than pretty much any other team. But... I'm not taking the time right now to check -- still, at least I am sure that no one could say that any rebuilding problems we've had came from not having the draft picks nor from lacking salary flexibility (except for the part of the latter that Ted and Ernie threw away).

Most of those draft picks have either been busts -- extremely poor choices that shocked most of us when made -- or have departed without returning any assets. Most of the trades and FA signings we've made brought us players who failed for one reason or another or else left w/o returning any asset.

It's a long list of big mistakes. At the same time, there have also been moves that have not been mistakes -- good picks, good FA signings, even good trades. That, however, is a short list not a long one.

The roster that has resulted, the current roster, has very little future development built into it -- not none, don't get me wrong: Beal and Porter can both get much better, and Wall -- though he's entered his peak years, this having been his 5th season -- may still improve a bit.

No other player on our roster will improve with time. I can't see how anyone would disagree with that fact. They are all either end of the bench players or end of their career players or veteran journeymen. Most of them are not under long-term contract -- and that's a good thing not a bad one.

All the same, at the end of next season, after six years of turnaround, we will have Wall, Beal, Porter, Gortat and whoever we pick in the coming draft as our assets going forward. That's what we'll have gotten out of 9 R1 picks, many of them *very* high picks including an overall #1 pick, 6 R2 picks (at each of which picks a very good future NBA player was available but of no interest to us), and our long list of trades and signings.

That's Ted's record as an owner. I think an "honest debate" could stretch to include someone who looks at that and calls it a pretty pathetic result, don't you?

[TheSecretWeapon]

Nah man, I'm totally convinced that when we evaluate Leonsis in proper context, it's clear he's the best current owner of the Washington Wizards. No one else compares to the standard he sets.

Fine.

Whatever

I'll be here when you want an honest debate

This is kind of sad. Now you think Nivek is posting things that are not "honest"?? Are there any posts that differ with yours that are all the same legitimate "debate"?

The team Ted took over went 26-56. This year, five years later, we went 46-26 -- that is, we have gained 20 wins, 4 wins a year, in half a decade.

In that period, we have had more draft picks I believe than pretty much any other team. As well, I think we've also had *higher* draft picks than pretty much any other team. But... I'm not taking the time right now to check -- still, at least I am sure that no one could say that any rebuilding problems we've had came from not having the draft picks nor from lacking salary flexibility (except for the part of the latter that Ted and Ernie threw away).

Most of those draft picks have either been busts -- extremely poor choices that shocked most of us when made -- or have departed without returning any assets. Most of the trades and FA signings we've made brought us players who failed for one reason or another or else left w/o returning any asset.

It's a long list of big mistakes. At the same time, there have also been moves that have not been mistakes -- good picks, good FA signings, even good trades. That, however, is a short list not a long one.

The roster that has resulted, the current roster, has very little future development built into it -- not none, don't get me wrong: Beal and Porter can both get much better, and Wall -- though he's entered his peak years, this having been his 5th season -- may still improve a bit.

No other player on our roster will improve with time. I can't see how anyone would disagree with that fact. They are all either end of the bench players or end of their career players or veteran journeymen. Most of them are not under long-term contract -- and that's a good thing not a bad one.

All the same, at the end of next season, after six years of turnaround, we will have Wall, Beal, Porter, Gortat and whoever we pick in the coming draft as our assets going forward. That's what we'll have gotten out of 9 R1 picks, many of them *very* high picks including an overall #1 pick, 6 R2 picks (at each of which picks a very good future NBA player was available but of no interest to us), and our long list of trades and signings.

That's Ted's record as an owner. I think an "honest debate" could stretch to include someone who looks at that and calls it a pretty pathetic result, don't you?

Hell, I'm not even saying Leonsis is pathetic as an owner. Only that he, like his team, has been mediocre.

[dckingsfan]

Fine.

Whatever

I'll be here when you want an honest debate

This is kind of sad. Now you think Nivek is posting things that are not "honest"?? Are there any posts that differ with yours that are all the same legitimate "debate"?

The team Ted took over went 26-56. This year, five years later, we went 46-26 -- that is, we have gained 20 wins, 4 wins a year, in half a decade.

In that period, we have had more draft picks I believe than pretty much any other team. As well, I think we've also had *higher* draft picks than pretty much any other team. But... I'm not taking the time right now to check -- still, at least I am sure that no one could say that any rebuilding problems we've had came from not having the draft picks nor from lacking salary flexibility (except for the part of the latter that Ted and Ernie threw away).

Most of those draft picks have either been busts -- extremely poor choices that shocked most of us when made -- or have departed without returning any assets. Most of the trades and FA signings we've made brought us players who failed for one reason or another or else left w/o returning any asset.

It's a long list of big mistakes. At the same time, there have also been moves that have not been mistakes -- good picks, good FA signings, even good trades. That, however, is a short list not a long one.

The roster that has resulted, the current roster, has very little future development built into it -- not none, don't get me wrong: Beal and Porter can both get much better, and Wall -- though he's entered his peak years, this having been his 5th season -- may still improve a bit.

No other player on our roster will improve with time. I can't see how anyone would disagree with that fact. They are all either end of the bench players or end of their career players or veteran journeymen. Most of them are not under long-term contract -- and that's a good thing not a bad one.

All the same, at the end of next season, after six years of turnaround, we will have Wall, Beal, Porter, Gortat and whoever we pick in the coming draft as our assets going forward. That's what we'll have gotten out of 9 R1 picks, many of them *very* high picks including an overall #1 pick, 6 R2 picks (at each of which picks a very good future NBA player was available but of no interest to us), and our long list of trades and signings.

That's Ted's record as an owner. I think an "honest debate" could stretch to include someone who looks at that and calls it a pretty pathetic result, don't you?

Hell, I'm not even saying Leonsis is pathetic as an owner. Only that he, like his team, has been mediocre.

Mediocre - isn't horrible either. Maybe we should be satisfied?

[montestewart]

Leonsis was a leader behind the lockout, and in the middle of the shortened season, his sales agents:
1) Relocated us to worse seats for most of the games
2) After payment and without notice, switched tickets for one of the Lebron Heat games and inserted Sixers tickets instead. When I complained, they threw in some Bobcats tickets. The Bobcats had the worst winning percentage in NBA history that year.
3) Declined to renew my package for the seats I'd held for years unless I purchased a full season.

Leonsis is a cheap little clip joint canary.

[FreeBalling]

Leonsis was a leader behind the lockout, and in the middle of the shortened season, his sales agents:
1) Relocated us to worse seats for most of the games
2) After payment and without notice, switched tickets for one of the Lebron Heat games and inserted Sixers tickets instead. When I complained, they threw in some Bobcats tickets. The Bobcats had the worst winning percentage in NBA history that year.
3) Declined to renew my package for the seats I'd held for years unless I purchased a full season.

Leonsis is a cheap little clip joint canary.

Sorry to hear about your poor experience with Monumental Sports, I have a contact that seems to care about his clients. PM me if you want more info. I've only had positive results. I'll hit him up this Friday for seats at the last minute...its a win-win.

[FreeBalling]

It's not a perfect situation, however, the Wizards are in the playoffs for the second year in a row. We have young rising stars. A HOF player came here to help out for once and we just won a road playoff game. I'm going to the game on Friday and very happy.


If we had Anthony Davis it would be perfect. People want KD - I want AD.

Enjoy the success we are having, it's long overdue.

[Induveca]

TSW—don't bother. The ignore feature is your friend.

Exactly.....been mine for many years.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It's not a perfect situation, however, the Wizards are in the playoffs for the second year in a row. We have young rising stars. A HOF player came here to help out for once and we just won a road playoff game. I'm going to the game on Friday and very happy.


If we had Anthony Davis it would be perfect. People want KD - I want AD.

Enjoy the success we are having, it's long overdue.

People should be encouraged to see Porter play over 30 minutes and do well in the same game Pierce performed well at PF.

I am glad they didn't lose in overtime. The Wizards outplayed the Raptors in regulation and in overtime.

This season will be a successful one of they win round one covincingly and are at least very competitive against Atlanta. Follow that with a strong draft pick and I will be pleased.

[dckingsfan]

We got John Wall - but we still have Grunfeld and Wittman. Until then, this title name is appropriate.