Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[BarnabyJones]

I still think a trade with Houston for Patrick Patterson is in order. McGee & Blatche for Patterson & Thabeet.

not big on that deal. I haven't seen Patterson much admittedly but I don't see him as better than Booker or a better option than a Robinson or Davis in the draft. Eventually he'd be buried on the bench here...

From what I've seen of Patterson, he's a better player than Booker. He's bigger/stronger, and has a more refined offensive game.

[LyricalRico]

Also, whether or not you are I would rather amnesty Dray isn't relevant; despite the cap relief, ownership would still have to pay Dray a lot of money to go away. Getting someone who can actually play might be more palatable.

Exactly. People need to realize that it's extremely unlikely that Ted is going to cough up $23M just to make Blatche go away. A much better resolution would be to trade Blatche for a mediocre player like Gordon who at least isn't a negative influence in the locker room and he provides a skill desperately needed on this team.

Although I have posted scenarios that include an amnesty for Blatche, this is probably true.

[miller31time]

So the Lakers just rejected an offer from the Timberwolves. The proposed trade -- Beasley for their late 1st rounder. They rejected it not because of player issues but rather because, with the new CBA, they'd have to pay a dollar-for-dollar tax on Beasley since they are over the cap. His 6+ million dollar contract would cost them over 12 million.

Don't we have an extra 1st rounder this year? Or is that an extra 2nd rounder?

Because if we have a late 1st round pick, I'm all for giving that up for Beasley. We need talent on this team.

[fugop]

Patterson isn't strictly better than Booker. He's merely a good jumpshooter, with by far the best mid range game of any of the young pfs.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... 0Patterson

He doesn't shoot threes like love or Anderson, but it's conceivable he'll develop that range. He's mediocre on the boards thus far, but otherwise a decent defender.

He's a smart player, good relationship with Wall, from DC, fills a need, and is likely available in the right deal.

[B-easy]

Beasley would be great here, he is a very talented scorer which we really need. Plus he is from the DC area so would be a pretty good fit.

[theboomking]

Beasley would be great here, he is a very talented scorer which we really need. Plus he is from the DC area so would be a pretty good fit.

I don't know. He is a lot like NY at SF IMHO, a ball stopping SF who can score. I think his paycheck and mental makeup might make him a subtraction by addition. To be fair however, I haven't watched much of him the past couple of years. Just judging by stats, scouting reports, and the like.

We are stuck with Blatche.

I think NY has killed his trade value enough that trading him might not bring enough in return to be worth the effort.

Ditto McGee, although there is more hope on that front. I'd love to trade McGee for a later lotto pick. What do you guys think is a realistic return on McGee at this point?

When is the trade deadline?

[gesa2]

Patterson isn't strictly better than Booker. He's merely a good jumpshooter, with by far the best mid range game of any of the young pfs.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... 0Patterson

He doesn't shoot threes like love or Anderson, but it's conceivable he'll develop that range. He's mediocre on the boards thus far, but otherwise a decent defender.

He's a smart player, good relationship with Wall, from DC, fills a need, and is likely available in the right deal.

Patterson went to Huntington High in West Virginia with OJ Mayo.

[McGully Culkin]

So we agree that a change needs to be made about our losing/knucklehead culture...but yet folks are advocating bringing in Mike Beasley? Look, I think he has a WONDERFUL skill-set, but him being in DC is a disaster waiting to happen. He couldn't handle South Beach, so what do you all think is going to go down when he returns to his home city? Too many distractions and fools around for Mike Beasley to handle. No thanks.

[Nivek]

Beasley would be great here, he is a very talented scorer which we really need. Plus he is from the DC area so would be a pretty good fit.

Just say no to Michael Beasley. He's woefully inefficient. He scores...well, not even "a lot"... because he shoots a lot. This season his offensive rating is 96 -- that's 96 points produced per 100 possessions, which is AWFUL. League average this season is 103. His most efficient season was a 103 (vs. a league average of 107), and his efficiency has gotten worse every season of his career.

Consider this: during Beasley's career (past 4 seasons, including this one), 41 players have played at least 2000 minutes and had a possession usage rate of 25 or higher. Beasley ranks 36th in efficiency among this group. Here's the full list of guys with worse efficiency over the past 4 seasons:

37. Brandon Jennings
38. Stephen Jackson
39. Gilbert Arenas
40. Chris Kaman
41. Demarcus Cousins

[BanndNDC]

I still think a trade with Houston for Patrick Patterson is in order. McGee & Blatche for Patterson & Thabeet.

ive been in favor of a blatche/young for patterson/1 lb brisket since 2010 so i guess im in favor of this one too. is there any way we can add young to the deal and have a bit of barbecue thrown in?

[Rafael122]

So it seems as though the Lakers won't do a swap of picks for a player. How about Nick Young for Josh McRoberts + Kapono + 1st round pick?

Lakers get a scorer off the bench, we get a pick which is the most important part in this, Kapono is a free agent and he may shine as being an outside shooter with Wall here, and we get a serviceable big in McRoberts.

[LyricalRico]

I still think a trade with Houston for Patrick Patterson is in order. McGee & Blatche for Patterson & Thabeet.

ive been in favor of a blatche/young for patterson/1 lb brisket since 2010 so i guess im in favor of this one too. is there any way we can add young to the deal and have a bit of barbecue thrown in?

If we have to take Thabeet, I'd at least want Budinger added.

Not sure what's in it for Houston, though. Dalembert is playing well and I don't know that they will want to pay McGee what it would take to keep him. They could conceivable end up making the deal and only having Blatche to show for it, which would be really bad for them.

[BanndNDC]

So it seems as though the Lakers won't do a swap of picks for a player. How about Nick Young for Josh McRoberts + Kapono + 1st round pick?

Lakers get a scorer off the bench, we get a pick which is the most important part in this, Kapono is a free agent and he may shine as being an outside shooter with Wall here, and we get a serviceable big in McRoberts.

I don't think (hope) there is anyone here who is not in favor of some variation of the young to the lakers for a 1st scenario. i'd be willing to take it a step further and just get mcroberts. other variations that could conceivably work for me would be including blake/mack and giving them $3m.

at this point, i think, getting something of middling value for young should be trade deadline priority one. priority two is getting rid of either mcgee or baltche (i think one of those two can be somewhat salvaged if 2/3 of the challenging 3 are gone).

[Jay81]

I am not interested in trading and not signing McGee. Its like we do all the work and then somebody else gets to benefit from him. You all know he will blow up to wherever he goes. Id rather sign to him 8 million a year and keep him and continue to develop him. Maybe surround him with better coach and better players and get rid of Nick.

McGee for ben Gordon? No way

[DallasShalDune]

Truth About It tweeted this: In honor of Chris Webber deal in '98, the Washington Wizards have traded JaVale McGee to the Lakers for Derek Fisher & Troy Murphy.

I was scared for a moment, before I realized it was a joke. It made me realize that we can't just give McGee away. He has value. We'd have to get some sort of building block back.

[LyricalRico]

I am not interested in trading and not signing McGee. Its like we do all the work and then somebody else gets to benefit from him. You all know he will blow up to wherever he goes. Id rather sign to him 8 million a year and keep him and continue to develop him. Maybe surround him with better coach and better players and get rid of Nick.

The other side of that is why would we build our roster and coaching staff around a guy that MIGHT get it one day? I"m not interested in paying the anywhere from $40-60M that it's going to take to keep a guy who plays like an idiot in a contract year. You really think he's going to magically start working on his bad habits AFTER he gets a ridiculous contract that confirms his own ego? I don't.

It made me realize that we can't just give McGee away. He has value. We'd have to get some sort of building block back.

I continue to question how much "value" McGee would truly have in the eyes of potential trading partners at this point in the season. They are essentially giving up assets to acquire a player and within a couple months pony up a HUGE amount of money just for the right to see if he turns out to actually be good. It just doesn't make sense IMO for a team that is already taking that kind of risk to also give up a quality starter or high draft pick in the deal.

Of course, all of that is why I was so adamant about the Wiz needing to trade him BEFORE the season started. Now we're stuck with either getting what is perceived as "low value" in return, or throwing undeserved money at a player who's history tells us he's likely to disappoint. Neither is appetizing, but I'd rather take the former.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Truth About It tweeted this: In honor of Chris Webber deal in '98, the Washington Wizards have traded JaVale McGee to the Lakers for Derek Fisher & Troy Murphy.

I was scared for a moment, before I realized it was a joke. It made me realize that we can't just give McGee away. He has value. We'd have to get some sort of building block back.

Yep, this goes in the category of be careful what you wish for. Ernie pulled one good one off, trading Kwame for Caron. Still, I'm almost afraid to see what they'll end up getting for McGee if/when they trade him.

[queridiculo]

I have to laugh at the Chris Webber comparison. McGee is not a building block or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

You get what you can for McGee and move on.

[Ruzious]

I am not interested in trading and not signing McGee. Its like we do all the work and then somebody else gets to benefit from him. You all know he will blow up to wherever he goes. Id rather sign to him 8 million a year and keep him and continue to develop him. Maybe surround him with better coach and better players and get rid of Nick.

The other side of that is why would we build our roster and coaching staff around a guy that MIGHT get it one day? I"m not interested in paying the anywhere from $40-60M that it's going to take to keep a guy who plays like an idiot in a contract year. You really think he's going to magically start working on his bad habits AFTER he gets a ridiculous contract that confirms his own ego? I don't.

It made me realize that we can't just give McGee away. He has value. We'd have to get some sort of building block back.

I continue to question how much "value" McGee would truly have in the eyes of potential trading partners at this point in the season. They are essentially giving up assets to acquire a player and within a couple months pony up a HUGE amount of money just for the right to see if he turns out to actually be good. It just doesn't make sense IMO for a team that is already taking that kind of risk to also give up a quality starter or high draft pick in the deal.

Of course, all of that is why I was so adamant about the Wiz needing to trade him BEFORE the season started. Now we're stuck with either getting what is perceived as "low value" in return, or throwing undeserved money at a player who's history tells us he's likely to disappoint. Neither is appetizing, but I'd rather take the former.

Honestly, I don't think he has significant trade value, because nobody knows they're going to want to keep him for what he might get offered - because they don't know the depths of what stupid things he's going to do in the future.

[nate33]

Have we tried this before?

Washington trades: Blatche + Young
Charlotte trades: Diop + Matt Carroll

We could probably cut Diop right away. Carroll is a reliable spot up shooter who could be the disciplined catch-and-shoot guy to alternate with Crawford's more dynamic offense. The real key here is that both Diop's and Carroll's contracts expire in 2012. We'd end up with a stopgap replacement for Young for next year and then we gear up for a run at Harden.

Another side benefit is that Young and Blatche might be just effective enough to bolster Charlotte's offense to the point where we can out-tank them.

This summer, we draft Anthony Davis, double S&T McGee for Batum, and sign Haywood after he is amnestied. We'd roll next year with:

PG Wall/Mack
SG Carroll/Crawford
SF Batum/Singleton
PF Booker/Davis/Vesely
C Haywood/Davis/Seraphin

In 2013, we sign Harden and our lineup would be:

PG Wall/Mack
SG Harden/Crawford
SF Batum/Singleton
PF Booker/2013 lotto pick/Vesely
C Davis/Haywood/Vesely