Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[Ruzious]

I think Randolph coming here would be a disaster. He'd almost certainly come here unhappy. An unhappy Randolph is a very bad thing to have on your team.

[pcbothwel]

I highly doubt Memphis takes on Nene's contract. I think they'd sooner just take their medicine with Randolph's and get off the hook a year sooner.

Maybe, but it certainly makes them better this year and they already have 40M in cap space after 2014/15. If they had Nene, it would be 27M, which is more than enough to re-sign Gasol and sign a Max FA (or two FA's for 8-12M a year.

[LyricalRico]

If they're willing to pay the last year of Nene's contract, they could always try to trade for him with their cap space that summer. Or they could go after a guys like Boozer or Milsap that are scheduled to be 2015 FA. I just think riding it out with Randolph is the best option since right now they are a SF from being a contender IMO.

[GeeWiz]

Some guys on the Memphis board dont like the Ariza trade. (Trevor A for Davis and Bayless)

I honestly find it pretty comical, as Ariza is the SF the Grizz need to contend, and he fits right into that whole Grit and Grind mentality.

But, oh well, I guess.


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[LyricalRico]

Some guys on the Memphis board dont like the Ariza trade. (Trevor A for Davis and Bayless)

I honestly find it pretty comical, as Ariza is the SF the Grizz need to contend, and he fits right into that whole Grit and Grind mentality.

But, oh well, I guess.

I can actually understand their perspective. They give up their two best bench players, including Davis who could be a potential longterm replacement for Randolph, to rent a starting SF that will be UFA next summer. Is the upgrade from Prince to Ariza worth losing their depth? I don't think it's unreasonable to say "no" if you're a MEM fan.

The funny thing is, the Grizzlies used to have the likes of Darrell Arthur, Xavier Henry, Greivis Vasquez and Tony Wroten. Any of those guys would look good on their bench right now, and might have allowed them the flexibility to make other moves without sacrificing depth.

[GeeWiz]

Some guys on the Memphis board dont like the Ariza trade. (Trevor A for Davis and Bayless)

I honestly find it pretty comical, as Ariza is the SF the Grizz need to contend, and he fits right into that whole Grit and Grind mentality.

But, oh well, I guess.

I can actually understand their perspective. They give up their two best bench players, including Davis who could be a potential longterm replacement for Randolph, to rent a starting SF that will be UFA next summer. Is the upgrade from Prince to Ariza worth losing their depth? I don't think it's unreasonable to say "no" if you're a MEM fan.

The funny thing is, the Grizzlies used to have the likes of Darrell Arthur, Xavier Henry, Greivis Vasquez and Tony Wroten. Any of those guys would look good on their bench right now, and might have allowed them the flexibility to make other moves without sacrificing depth.

Didnt they have Wroten too? That kid looks like a stud.


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[fishercob]

So Pau wants to go back to Memphis to team up with his bro, eh? Makes good enough sense.

There should be a 3-way whereby the Wizards send out Ariza, Maynor, and expiring crap for Zach Randolph; Memphis trades Randolph for Danny Granger's huge expiring, and Indiana adds Ariza.

Memphis clears cap space to sign Pau (and more reinforcements) and Indy adds a perfect complementary piece (who is also expiring) for their title chase.

Zach Randolph would be perfect here -- he's aging and expensive.

If (and it's a big if) Porter can get acclimated and start to produce from the SF spot, this could give us a really solid three big rotation through next year.

All in all it would probably be a bad trade, so I think Ernie would love it. Go Wiz!

[nate33]

So Pau wants to go back to Memphis to team up with his bro, eh? Makes good enough sense.

There should be a 3-way whereby the Wizards send out Ariza, Maynor, and expiring crap for Zach Randolph; Memphis trades Randolph for Danny Granger's huge expiring, and Indiana adds Ariza.

Memphis clears cap space to sign Pau (and more reinforcements) and Indy adds a perfect complementary piece (who is also expiring) for their title chase.

Zach Randolph would be perfect here -- he's aging and expensive.

If (and it's a big if) Porter can get acclimated and start to produce from the SF spot, this could give us a really solid three big rotation through next year.

All in all it would probably be a bad trade, so I think Ernie would love it. Go Wiz!

Luxtax could be an issue next year. That team would have a payroll of $59M counting only Wall, Beal, Webster, Randolph, Nene, Maynor, Porter and Rice. Add in our 1st round pick and a roster hold and we're pushing $61M for just 10 players. That leaves about $10M or so to resign Gortat, and no room to use the MLE. The depth would be terrible unless Porter rapidly becomes a 24-28 minute per game guy and nobody (including Nene) gets hurt.

[Nivek]

What first round pick?

[nate33]

What first round pick?

Yeah. I guess if we have reasonable success this season, we won't have a pick so we'd save $1-2M. But we would still need a cap hold to account for that roster spot, so the savings is problem around $1M or so. It would still be a tight fit to resign Gortat.

[fishercob]

So Pau wants to go back to Memphis to team up with his bro, eh? Makes good enough sense.

There should be a 3-way whereby the Wizards send out Ariza, Maynor, and expiring crap for Zach Randolph; Memphis trades Randolph for Danny Granger's huge expiring, and Indiana adds Ariza.

Memphis clears cap space to sign Pau (and more reinforcements) and Indy adds a perfect complementary piece (who is also expiring) for their title chase.

Zach Randolph would be perfect here -- he's aging and expensive.

If (and it's a big if) Porter can get acclimated and start to produce from the SF spot, this could give us a really solid three big rotation through next year.

All in all it would probably be a bad trade, so I think Ernie would love it. Go Wiz!

Luxtax could be an issue next year. That team would have a payroll of $59M counting only Wall, Beal, Webster, Randolph, Nene, Maynor, Porter and Rice. Add in our 1st round pick and a roster hold and we're pushing $61M for just 10 players. That leaves about $10M or so to resign Gortat, and no room to use the MLE. The depth would be terrible unless Porter rapidly becomes a 24-28 minute per game guy and nobody (including Nene) gets hurt.

We'd have to move Maynor in the deal. But your point is a good one. If we can't use the MLE b/c of the tax line, it's a little self-defeating.

[nuposse04]

Steve Blake goes down in LAL, maybe they'd take Maynor+Singleton for....Henry? One can dream :I

[LyricalRico]

Steve Blake goes down in LAL, maybe they'd take Maynor+Singleton for....Henry? One can dream :I

Nah, they'd hold out until we added a Kobe-for-Ariza+Nene swap to the deal.

[The J Rocka]

What's the deal with Porter?

Do most of you think he'll live up to being the 3rd overall pick or are most of you ready to move him for the best deal possible asap before his value may or may not drop? Just curious.

Understand he's only played a couple games into his rookie season after being hurt so it's going to take some time for him to adjust and get back to 100.

[nate33]

What's the deal with Porter?

Do most of you think he'll live up to being the 3rd overall pick or are most of you ready to move him for the best deal possible asap before his value may or may not drop? Just curious.

Understand he's only played a couple games into his rookie season after being hurt so it's going to take some time for him to adjust and get back to 100.

We have an entire Otto Porter thread. The last several pages deal with this issue.

The answer to your question is, "we don't know". As you said, Porter has only played a handful of minutes so we really have no idea how he will pan out. There is a little anxiety about him because he has been completely ineffective in those handful of minutes, but since he missed training camp and a month of games, that's to be expected.

The unexpected part is that Trevor Ariza has played incredibly well all season and is arguably a top 3 or 4 SF in the East. With Ariza and Webster on the team, shopping Porter is at least a viable option. And it's an option that's at least a little easier to contemplate since we haven't seen Porter actually do anything that makes us desperately want to keep him. If Porter has one good game in the next week or two where he scores 14 points and grabs 5 boards in limited minutes, the trade talk will probably die down a bit.

[jivelikenice]

I'm a big Otto fan but I am beginning to think a deal with him would be wise. The reason is I think instead of going all in on a guy like Monroe, who would likely cost us to lose Gortat and lose an asset in a S&T, I'd rather re-sign Gortat for $10 MM or so. So the only way to use up cap space outside of an MLE type of acquisition would be to trade for a player in the $7-$9 MM salary range. Ilyasova and Thad Young have been tossed around, but I would rather hold onto Otto then trade him for one of those guys. What about Derozan? His contract is reasonable and Toronto may look to unload him. Otto and an expiring would be a good return package for them. The risk, as was pointed out to me elsewhere is that the money available to re-sign Gortat would be finite so there's risk there if the bidding goes high. We'd still have the MLE available as well (i think).

Wall/Satoransky/Maynor
Beal/Rice
Derozan/Webster
Nene/MLE?/re-sign Booker?
Gortat/MLE?

[Silvie Lysandra]

Would this be reasonable return for Ariza?

Wizards trade:
Trevor Ariza
Jan Vesely

Wizards get:
Andre Miller
Timofey Mosgov
Donatas Motiejunas

Why for the Wizards? They get a quality backup at C and PG, which are their two weakest depth positions, and a stretch 4 prospect.

Nuggets trade:
Miller
Mosgov
Motiejunas
Qunicy Miller

Nuggets get:
Asik
Vesely

Why for the Nuggets:

They upgrade significantly at starting C especially on defense.

Rockets trade:
Asik
Motiejunas

Rockets get:
Ariza
Quincy Miller

Quincy Miller is a decent prospect, and Ariza brings a major upgrade in terms of perimeter defense.

[Dark Faze]

Damn--I still wish we could pull off Nene + top 3 protected 2015 pick for Amir Johnson and Lowry. Makes so much sense for both teams. Raptors are more or less guaranteed a franchise talent due to being masters of the tank and get a 2015 pick from us.

Bad news is we'd have to kiss the Durant/Love/max player pipedream good bye, but good news is we can develop and extend pretty much everyone and not have to worry about the cap.

Wall/Lowry
Beal/Rice
Ariza/Web/Otto
Amir/Book/Otto
Gortat/Ves

[payitforward]

Damn--I still wish we could pull off Nene + top 3 protected 2015 pick for Amir Johnson and Lowry. ...

The only time you trade your future for your present is if you have a legitimate shot at a title out of the deal. We are obviously nowhere near that, so acquiring guys who are entering the 2d half of their NBA careers makes no sense for us.

I say that even though I like Lowry and Johnson a lot -- both very good players.

Now, if you meant to let them both expire -- i.e. if you were just dumping Nene -- I could see the player exchange part of it. But not and never giving away yet another round 1 pick in the deal.

[montestewart]

Damn--I still wish we could pull off Nene + top 3 protected 2015 pick for Amir Johnson and Lowry. ...

The only time you trade your future for your present is if you have a legitimate shot at a title out of the deal. We are obviously nowhere near that, so acquiring guys who are entering the 2d half of their NBA careers makes no sense for us.

I say that even though I like Lowry and Johnson a lot -- both very good players.

Now, if you meant to let them both expire -- i.e. if you were just dumping Nene -- I could see the player exchange part of it. But not and never giving away yet another round 1 pick in the deal.

Yes. While good teams are constantly trading picks to reach or maintain contender status, and also (many of them) looking for ways to acquire additional picks to use or trade, the Wizards seem to constantly expect that they'll just have far more good picks then they'll know what to do with.