Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[nate33]

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The Wizards aren't trading Porter. Ted isn't going to stand by and watch EG trade away all of our young players just to clean up the Mahinmi mess.

If we slip out of playoff contention, it's Ariza who will be traded.

[Illmatic12]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

[pcbothwel]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

Im not paying 16M for Favors while giving up Porter and not getting a 1st.
Porter is averaging a per36 of 22 & 7 on a TS of 60% over the last 7 games... He looks healthy and have no issue holding on to him.
If we trade him I want out of the tax and a 1st... thats just to get my attention.

[eminence]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

I'd be down for it (slightly prefer moving Rubio to Favors, but think that'd require another salary from Utah to match up, and it wouldn't deal break for me one way or another). Pick could probably be a protected 1st and I'd still be fine with it.

[Illmatic12]

So just curious, who do you think teammates & Brooks were calling out when they said guys didn't bring it or the effort wasn't there?

Also, what explains Wall's complete 360 in terms of explosiveness, focus and attention to detail in the Lakers game. From literally walking around one game to flying around in another, then back to walking around. It was literally stunning to watch.

I have no problem putting some of the blame on the Wizards for letting him walk around like that but chemistry was absolutely wrecked ... until he got surgery. This was just not about Wall not being healthy, this also about Wall as a teammate, as a leader as the face of the franchise. And he's largely responsible for the disaster this season has become.

And keep in mind I've been one of Wall's staunchest supporters in the past but at some point I got to call how I see it.

First of all, I never said John is blameless. Obviously he could have handled some things better - but to act like we should be blaming a player for being injured, come on.. that's garbage and you know it.

Honestly what explanation are you looking for? There is plenty of information out there about the injury Wall had.. it's the same issue that sidelined Mike Conley Jr for a year. Wall had a deformity in his foot that was rubbing against his achilles tendon, the doctors even told him that he would surely tear his achilles if he put off surgery any longer. It's absurd that anyone would take the Stephen A Smith stance of "oh he was faking it, he just quit on his team"

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Bone spurs or plantar fascia isn't like a broken leg, it's something that can flare up at different points and varying degrees of pain.

“He’s battled this throughout the year, and we tried to manage it. He’s done a good job of managing it certain games, and certain games it wasn’t as good. But he never, ever complained. Never complained to me,” Brooks said. “I knew. I knew there were games that he wasn’t up to par and he didn’t play as well as he would have liked or move as well as he liked. He didn’t jump or move defensively as well as he liked but he wanted to compete for his team, but it got to the point where we had to make some tough decisions. That’s why he met with a specialist.”

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Wall has managed the lingering bone spurs with treatment and rest. He has sat out practices and morning shoot-arounds ahead of games and iced the heel following his night’s work. Even so, Wall said he has experienced more flare-ups than usual this season.

“Some days it’s great. Some days it’s bad,” Wall said Dec. 8 after scoring one point and missing all five of his shots against the Cleveland Cavaliers. “You just got to monitor [it] when it’s good, and when it’s bad don’t try to force the issue and play with that one because it’s kind of hard. You can’t run.

“Other [injuries] you can play through,” Wall explained, “but it’s one of the ones — you can play through it and warm up, but today it just got real hot. It didn’t get no better.”

John should have been more open about the pain he was in instead of trying to be macho and give the impression that he was fine. But I can understand the pressure he felt of not wanting to let the franchise down. The bottom line is that it doesn't benefit any party involved to have Wall trying to play through injuries and acute pain, like he has been doing for at least the past 2 seasons. Hopefully he gets the chance to rejuvenate his body and get back to the player he can be.

[Illmatic12]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

Im not paying 16M for Favors while giving up Porter and not getting a 1st.
Porter is averaging a per36 of 22 & 7 on a TS of 60% over the last 7 games... He looks healthy and have no issue holding on to him.
If we trade him I want out of the tax and a 1st... thats just to get my attention.

Okay make it a protected 1st instead of the two 2nds, whatever. The basic framework is Porter for Favors which gets off $10m by next season

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

I'd be down for it (slightly prefer moving Rubio to Favors, but think that'd require another salary from Utah to match up, and it wouldn't deal break for me one way or another). Pick could probably be a protected 1st and I'd still be fine with it.

Washington certainly has no use for Rubio. Favors is who they'd want.. if Utah is willing to throw in a 1st round pick I'd do it without hesitation.

[nate33]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

Great. So next year we have 4 centers: Mahinmi, Favors, Howard and Bryant. Meanwhile we have no wing shooters other than Beal.

[eminence]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

Great. So next year we have 4 centers: Mahinmi, Favors, Howard and Bryant. Meanwhile we have no wing shooters other than Beal.

I believe Favors has a team option.

[Illmatic12]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

Great. So next year we have 4 centers: Mahinmi, Favors, Howard and Bryant. Meanwhile we have no wing shooters other than Beal.

I'm not expecting Howard to play basketball again. But obviously , the Wizards would know more about his status than we would.

[JWizmentality]

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

Great. So next year we have 4 centers: Mahinmi, Favors, Howard and Bryant. Meanwhile we have no wing shooters other than Beal.

I'm not expecting Howard to play basketball again. But obviously , the Wizards would know more about his status than we would.

What convinced you in his play before the injury that he was done? Why would he opt out of the player option next year?

[dckingsfan]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

I would much rather make a trade with the Kings and try to get Bogdanovic and expiring contracts (enough to get us under the luxury tax).

[queridiculo]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

I would much rather make a trade with the Kings and try to get Bogdanovic and expiring contracts (enough to get us under the luxury tax).

Porter for Favors is terrible enough, but moving Porter for exprings and Bogdanovic is down right foolish.

Precisely what would be the point of that?

[gambitx777]

Crowder , Rubio and udoh and a frist for Porter works but I don't know if they do that seems like a lot for Porter. I'd like to get my hands on a first though .

[nate33]

Since Porter has gotten back from injury (and now that he isn't playing with Wall), he has averaged 22 points, 8 boards, 2 assists, and 2.2 steals per 36 minutes with a TS% of .580. His usage is has been 24.8%, which is WAY higher than at any other point in his career. The guy is finally getting some shots up and he is maintaining respectable efficiency while doing so.

All that's left is for him to actually do it over 34 minutes a game, rather than for the 27 minutes he is playing now. If he can maintain that per minute production over 34 minutes a game, he'd be good for 21, 8, 2 and 2 a game with a considerably better than average efficiency. That actually IS worth $27M a year.

[dangermouse]

I like Bryant more than Favors. I'd rather keep Otto than trade him for Favors.

Something like Otto for Rubio + unprotected first could have legs if we lose a bunch of games in a row before the deadline. Reading that Beal is untouchable which is wise, phew!

[trast66]

Sort of weak reporting by Shams. How can the Wizards fall out of contention in the East by trade deadline, 2/7/19. Even if they went 2-6 in that time, still close to 8th seed.

[MalonesElbows]

There's no reason to trade Porter at this point. The team is going to have a number of solid rotation guys available around the minimum: Green, Troy Brown, First round pick next year, Dekker, Bryant.

Things can still get awfully tight financially assuming Dwight opts in, which is why Ariza and Kieff will be gone. A lot depends on the sato contract.

The summer of KD's series of contracts were so bad that I don't understand how EG has a job based on the financials of the team alone, let alone anything regarding the teams play.

Just remember though Porter will likely opt out in 2020, and if your team is not competitive will certainly walk. That's only a season and a half away.

[payitforward]

What is Washington looking for if Utah really are interested in Porter? Really like him as a player. Does primarily expirings (say Rubio/Thabo/???) and a pick get it done?

I've been proposing a Porter for Favors trade with Utah for a year now.

Porter for Favors + Sefolosha + two 2nds?
I'd probably pull the trigger on that

I'd be down for it (slightly prefer moving Rubio to Favors, but think that'd require another salary from Utah to match up, and it wouldn't deal break for me one way or another). Pick could probably be a protected 1st and I'd still be fine with it.

Nice of you.... Only forget it, please.

Expiring players have, essentially, no trade value -- & why should they?

As to Favors, he's having a terrific season but will need to be re-signed; in the current $$ atmosphere he might cost almost as much as Otto does. He's 2 years older than Otto -- we need to get younger not older.

[payitforward]

Great. So next year we have 4 centers: Mahinmi, Favors, Howard and Bryant. Meanwhile we have no wing shooters other than Beal.

I'm not expecting Howard to play basketball again. But obviously , the Wizards would know more about his status than we would.

What convinced you in his play before the injury that he was done? Why would he opt out of the player option next year?

In fact, if he was done -- wanted to retire -- presumably he'd pick up his option (no one leaves $5.5m on the table) & then ask to be bought out.

[DCZards]

Bone spurs or plantar fascia isn't like a broken leg, it's something that can flare up at different points and varying degrees of pain.

“He’s battled this throughout the year, and we tried to manage it. He’s done a good job of managing it certain games, and certain games it wasn’t as good. But he never, ever complained. Never complained to me,” Brooks said. “I knew. I knew there were games that he wasn’t up to par and he didn’t play as well as he would have liked or move as well as he liked. He didn’t jump or move defensively as well as he liked but he wanted to compete for his team, but it got to the point where we had to make some tough decisions. That’s why he met with a specialist.”

John should have been more open about the pain he was in instead of trying to be macho and give the impression that he was fine. But I can understand the pressure he felt of not wanting to let the franchise down. The bottom line is that it doesn't benefit any party involved to have Wall trying to play through injuries and acute pain, like he has been doing for at least the past 2 seasons. Hopefully he gets the chance to rejuvenate his body and get back to the player he can be.

Following the Lakers game, I bashed Wall for playing well against teams like the Lakers but not getting up for and playing well against the lesser teams. Sounds like there may have been some justification for his inconsistent play.

I agree that Wall and the team probably would have better served if he had been more forthcoming about his pain, but I kinda like the fact that he didn’t play the “woe is me” game.