Political Roundtable Part XXVIII

[Zonkerbl]

The progressive arm of the Dem party is for these things, but they are clearly in the minority. The large majority of Dems still support the racist war on drugs - that's why we're stuck with old racist Biden. The large majority of white Dems don't even realize the war on drugs is racist. I stand by what I said.

80% - okay, not all. Only 14% oppose or somewhat oppose.

What's the answer to "do you believe the war on drugs was racist? Or do you want marijuana to be legalized so you can get high"

I wasn't talking about marijuana legalization, although Biden's opposition to its legalization is a sign of where he stands on the war on drugs.

[Wizardspride]

We shall see. That's seems pretty vague, particularly when 38 of the 45 arrests were locals.
Contrary to popular belief on the left, there really aren't a lot of white supremacist groups in this country, unless you count everyone who voted for Trump as a white supremacist.

Having a Minnesota address does not make you a "local." It's a big state. People who live in Elkton, MD would not be considered "locals" in Silver Spring, MD just because they have a Maryland address.

If you're not from the Minneapolis community where the protests are being held (and the one being looted and burned) then you are indeed an "outsider."

I'm not going to argue about it. So far, I've seen no evidence whatsoever that white nationalists are instigating these riots (or is it the Russians? I can't keep it straight.). You go on believing it if you want. I'll wait for evidence.

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[dckingsfan]

The progressive arm of the Dem party is for these things, but they are clearly in the minority. The large majority of Dems still support the racist war on drugs - that's why we're stuck with old racist Biden. The large majority of white Dems don't even realize the war on drugs is racist. I stand by what I said.

80% - okay, not all. Only 14% oppose or somewhat oppose.

What's the answer to "do you believe the war on drugs was racist? Or do you want marijuana to be legalized so you can get high"

I wasn't talking about marijuana legalization, although Biden's opposition to its legalization is a sign of where he stands on the war on drugs.

Yeah, can't find that poll...

But very proud of my fellow moderate D down here in Houston. BTW, this is where Biden should have been. Is he perfect, no. Does he have my vote. Yes. Would I have preferred Warren. Sure. Did Sanders totally f'up his run by not being able to create a big tent at the end. Yep.

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[Ruzious]

My office building is in lock-down mode today because "large group activity is scheduled in Bethesda at 1:00 PM today."

[Pointgod]

The progressive arm of the Dem party is for these things, but they are clearly in the minority. The large majority of Dems still support the racist war on drugs - that's why we're stuck with old racist Biden. The large majority of white Dems don't even realize the war on drugs is racist. I stand by what I said.

A virus is killing people, our cities are on fire and you're complaining about this. C'mon man! Joe Biden may be racist--as are many, many white people--but he's a whole lot better human being than that a-hole in the WH.

I'm not saying don't vote for him. I was responding to a post saying "If you vote for Trump that makes you a racist." My point stands - Biden's a racist too, just the liberal kind. Does voting for him make you a racist? Statistically speaking, probably. But correlation does not equal causality. There's about an 70-80% chance that anybody in America who votes at all is a racist, according to *my* definition of racism.

Anti police brutality riots are sweeping the nation and we nominated a candidate who said it's ok to shoot unarmed protestors. Wtaf.

It is an enormous shame that we had an opportunity to nominate a non-racist for this very, very winnable election and we chose Biden. He was literally my last choice among all the nominees. Hopefully he nominates a progressive VP and steps down after 4 years.

I believe you’re wrong about Biden and the Democratic Party racism. But where did you get the idea that Joe Biden advocates shooting unarmed protestors?

[Zonkerbl]

I supported Warren. I liked Bernie but I felt like Warren had more substance behind her policies, instead of like "Burn it all down and worry about how to pick up the pieces later" I mean, I feel like that sentiment is probably a lot more relevant now... but at the time I felt the country wasn't actively transitioning to fascism so we need a Chamberlain, not a Churchill.

We need a Churchill now. Or a liberal Robert E Lee, way things are looking now. I guess we'll see how the elections go. I'm not sure Democracy is going to survive here.

Well, alternatively, we could just all secede. That would solve at least some problems. Get rid of the second amendment, put abortion rights in the constitution...

[dckingsfan]

My office building is in lock-down mode today because "large group activity is scheduled in Bethesda at 1:00 PM today."

You going??

I am trying to figure out if I can get to the march today - at 3 p.m. but...

It is going to be 89° and feel like 94°. With a mask... and I would have to walk 3 mi there and 4 mi back to get to the march.

Feeling wimpy unlike my younger days.

[Zonkerbl]

A virus is killing people, our cities are on fire and you're complaining about this. C'mon man! Joe Biden may be racist--as are many, many white people--but he's a whole lot better human being than that a-hole in the WH.

I'm not saying don't vote for him. I was responding to a post saying "If you vote for Trump that makes you a racist." My point stands - Biden's a racist too, just the liberal kind. Does voting for him make you a racist? Statistically speaking, probably. But correlation does not equal causality. There's about an 70-80% chance that anybody in America who votes at all is a racist, according to *my* definition of racism.

Anti police brutality riots are sweeping the nation and we nominated a candidate who said it's ok to shoot unarmed protestors. Wtaf.

It is an enormous shame that we had an opportunity to nominate a non-racist for this very, very winnable election and we chose Biden. He was literally my last choice among all the nominees. Hopefully he nominates a progressive VP and steps down after 4 years.

I believe you’re wrong about Biden and the Democratic Party racism. But where did you get the idea that Joe Biden advocates shooting unarmed protestors?

https://sports.yahoo.com/biden-proposes-training-cops-shoot-193855367.html

"There is “the idea that instead of standing there and teaching a cop when there’s an unarmed person, coming at him with a knife or something, to shoot him in the leg instead of in the heart,” Biden said. “There’s a lot of different things [policies] that can change.”

[dckingsfan]

I supported Warren. I liked Bernie but I felt like Warren had more substance behind her policies, instead of like "Burn it all down and worry about how to pick up the pieces later" I mean, I feel like that sentiment is probably a lot more relevant now... but at the time I felt the country wasn't actively transitioning to fascism so we need a Chamberlain, not a Churchill.

We need a Churchill now. Or a liberal Robert E Lee, way things are looking now. I guess we'll see how the elections go. I'm not sure Democracy is going to survive here.

Well, alternatively, we could just all secede. That would solve at least some problems. Get rid of the second amendment, put abortion rights in the constitution...

Yeah, a bit ticked off at Bernie - I guess it comes through. I feel he was the one that took Warren down.

I like that Biden has put progressives on each of his working groups. Sometimes it takes events like these to get people to wake up. Then again, sometimes it just doesn't happen.

[Zonkerbl]

80% - okay, not all. Only 14% oppose or somewhat oppose.

What's the answer to "do you believe the war on drugs was racist? Or do you want marijuana to be legalized so you can get high"

I wasn't talking about marijuana legalization, although Biden's opposition to its legalization is a sign of where he stands on the war on drugs.

Yeah, can't find that poll...

But very proud of my fellow moderate D down here in Houston. BTW, this is where Biden should have been. Is he perfect, no. Does he have my vote. Yes. Would I have preferred Warren. Sure. Did Sanders totally f'up his run by not being able to create a big tent at the end. Yep.

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A better question might be "do you support the abolition/drastic reduction of prisons/police force as an aspirational goal"

Or a question they might actually be asking, "Do you support Cory Booker's proposed criminal justice reform legislation" although I imagine hardly anyone knows what's actually in it (I don't)

[Pointgod]

I'm not saying don't vote for him. I was responding to a post saying "If you vote for Trump that makes you a racist." My point stands - Biden's a racist too, just the liberal kind. Does voting for him make you a racist? Statistically speaking, probably. But correlation does not equal causality. There's about an 70-80% chance that anybody in America who votes at all is a racist, according to *my* definition of racism.

Anti police brutality riots are sweeping the nation and we nominated a candidate who said it's ok to shoot unarmed protestors. Wtaf.

It is an enormous shame that we had an opportunity to nominate a non-racist for this very, very winnable election and we chose Biden. He was literally my last choice among all the nominees. Hopefully he nominates a progressive VP and steps down after 4 years.

I believe you’re wrong about Biden and the Democratic Party racism. But where did you get the idea that Joe Biden advocates shooting unarmed protestors?

https://sports.yahoo.com/biden-proposes-training-cops-shoot-193855367.html

"There is “the idea that instead of standing there and teaching a cop when there’s an unarmed person, coming at him with a knife or something, to shoot him in the leg instead of in the heart,” Biden said. “There’s a lot of different things [policies] that can change.”

So you left out the context of the bolded part. He said if someone is coming at a police officer with a knife shoot the leg. That’s vastly different from advocating shooting an unarmed person. I knew this was the quote that you were referring to, I’ve seen it purposely misinterpreted before.

[Ruzious]

My office building is in lock-down mode today because "large group activity is scheduled in Bethesda at 1:00 PM today."

You going??

I am trying to figure out if I can get to the march today - at 3 p.m. but...

It is going to be 89° and feel like 94°. With a mask... and I would have to walk 3 mi there and 4 mi back to get to the march.

Feeling wimpy unlike my younger days.

Lol, be safe if you do. I don't think I can. I'm in the building, and I don't think I'll be able to get out. I'll watch for a bit, but I'm just off Wisconsin Avenue, so I'm guessing I probably won't even be able to see much.

[Wizardspride]

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[Pointgod]

Having a Minnesota address does not make you a "local." It's a big state. People who live in Elkton, MD would not be considered "locals" in Silver Spring, MD just because they have a Maryland address.

If you're not from the Minneapolis community where the protests are being held (and the one being looted and burned) then you are indeed an "outsider."

I'm not going to argue about it. So far, I've seen no evidence whatsoever that white nationalists are instigating these riots (or is it the Russians? I can't keep it straight.). You go on believing it if you want. I'll wait for evidence.

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Of course Nate won’t respond to this.

[Ruzious]

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Not sure it's even possible now to have integrity and work at the WH. That's why whistleblowers are so much more important now and why they're so reviled by the WH.

[dckingsfan]

Of course Nate won’t respond to this.

Probably better not to call anyone out at this point in time. Yeah, the narratives are: He is a criminal. It wasn't murder. These protesters are violent thugs. You aren't going to change his view on this...

I do think that Zonk has a good point - we should first realize that the "war on drugs" and "tough on crime" have been absolute and complete disasters. If the conversation in D party shifts to decriminalizing drugs, getting defenders to run for DA and slowly knee capping the industrial prison complex - we will be making progress.

At this point in time, someone who supports a racist and has to twist their thinking to get there, can't change.

[Zonkerbl]

My office building is in lock-down mode today because "large group activity is scheduled in Bethesda at 1:00 PM today."

You going??

I am trying to figure out if I can get to the march today - at 3 p.m. but...

It is going to be 89° and feel like 94°. With a mask... and I would have to walk 3 mi there and 4 mi back to get to the march.

Feeling wimpy unlike my younger days.

Lol, be safe if you do. I don't think I can. I'm in the building, and I don't think I'll be able to get out. I'll watch for a bit, but I'm just off Wisconsin Avenue, so I'm guessing I probably won't even be able to see much.

Yeah my wife and I are in the same boat (too wimpy to protest), we'll have to contribute to a bail fund instead :/

[Zonkerbl]

https://www.arlnow.com/2020/06/01/breaking-arlington-officers-ordered-to-immediately-leave-d-c/

[dckingsfan]

You going??

I am trying to figure out if I can get to the march today - at 3 p.m. but...

It is going to be 89° and feel like 94°. With a mask... and I would have to walk 3 mi there and 4 mi back to get to the march.

Feeling wimpy unlike my younger days.

Lol, be safe if you do. I don't think I can. I'm in the building, and I don't think I'll be able to get out. I'll watch for a bit, but I'm just off Wisconsin Avenue, so I'm guessing I probably won't even be able to see much.

Yeah my wife and I are in the same boat (too wimpy to protest), we'll have to contribute to a bail fund instead :/

Oh man... I really don't need that right now (jail).

[nate33]

I'm not going to argue about it. So far, I've seen no evidence whatsoever that white nationalists are instigating these riots (or is it the Russians? I can't keep it straight.). You go on believing it if you want. I'll wait for evidence.

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Of course Nate won’t respond to this.

LOL. One guy, probably in Europe (where Evropa is based) starts a new fake Twitter account (which presumably had virtually no followers) and makes a tweet and THAT'S how you're going to tie all this rioting and looting to a white supremacist movement? This is all the evidence you have? At least find me one protester on the ground, or better yet, one guy committing actual violence, that is part of a white supremacist movement.

The Minneapolis mayor implied that nearly all of those arrested were out-of-town white supremacist agitators and you come up with a single tweet from a random guy with a new Twitter account.