The RealGM Wizards Board Draft Thread 2008/2009

[Ruzious]

Well, define longer? I'd happily trade James or Etan for a guy who has 1 more year on his contract. Then the next year, we'd have Songaila, Stevenson, and that player we get back in a trade all expiring. Try and repeat the process.

Look at the AI for Billups trade. AI is an expiring, but Billups' contract doesn't expire until 3 more years.

Longer means longer than the 1 year that James and Etan have left. The Wizards need them - to expire with the Wizards. Without some spectacular creativity, they can't afford to trade them for longer contracts.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There are a ton of shorter players I like this year. I forget who mentioned earlier but Eric Maynor is just fun to watch. He's another guy who will look loads better when he has finishers next to him. I look for big things from him if VCU can battle into the tourney. Cocksure, scrappy, loves the pressure. (Even the metaphysics confirm the opinion, love him as a cool competitor and teamleader too).

I want someone with a will to win and solid ball IQ who can make our Bigs look good.

Outside shot specialist, our own personal Boobie Gibson type: Jack McClinton is evil from deep. Scouting report suggest he does little else, but when I've see him he's always better than advertised. Nice quick hops lateral and backwards, unmatched quick release, good movement off the ball, good shimmy and drive. He looks short (no neck) but will measure out with a respectable armspan for his height; good strength, smart no-nonsense D, runs hard in both directions always. I suspect he'll look good at Portsmouth. And whoo he's an avalanche of threes, with Gilbertesque range. Any shot he puts up looks like God intended it to go in, no doubts or questions. I love a guy who can hit the breakaway pull up three to demoralize the opponent. And his handle is well-qualified at the next level. Don't care what anyone thinks, that's an NBA player right there. A Roger Mason replacement at the least. That's my 2nd round sleeper if he can last that long. This kid would be a nice fit. And he's a B'more product so you know he's tough, you know he can ball.

I'm coveting... I don't know why nobody has talked about this kid. Let's conspire to keep him on the hush hush.

doc, McClinton is exactly the type player I want the Wizards to draft in round two. Belongs in round one. Is exceptionally good at SHOOTING, which is what this team sorely needs, especially from deep. McClinton's played 4 years in the ACC. He and Trevor Booker are both more than ready NBA players in terms of talent and experience.

Everything about his profile says he's can't miss:
http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/ ... ack00.html

As a Junior (2007-08)
The first men's basketball player in Miami history to earn All-ACC First Team honors... The only ACC First Team pick to also earn 2008 All-ACC Academic Team accolades... Named the ACC's co-Most Valuable Player of the Year by CollegeInsider.com... Selected team's Most Valuable Player at year-end banquet... Posted an ACC-leading 91.9 percent free-throw percentage, which ranked third in the nation and is also the third-highest percentage in ACC history... Also led the league with 2.9 three-point field goals per game

Of McClinton, I'll say the same thing I said about Mario Chalmers prior to last draft: McClinton can step in and start next season. For the Wizards, this guy could step in for an injured Gil and do a very solid job because he's probably the best three point shooter in the draft, Curry included.

[pancakes3]

i dunno, the kid's crazy small. like, Jose Juan Barea small. I'd use a 2nd rounder on him, but only to fill the 3 point specialist role. not a fill-in-for-injured-gil role.

[nate33]

Well, define longer? I'd happily trade James or Etan for a guy who has 1 more year on his contract. Then the next year, we'd have Songaila, Stevenson, and that player we get back in a trade all expiring. Try and repeat the process.

It doesn't work that way. Expiring contracts are only assets for teams willing to take on longer contracts in return. The problem is, we're over the luxtax next year, and we'll flirt with the luxtax the year after. And we really don't have any significant luxtax cushion for the foreseeable future after that.

Unless Jamison or Arenas is traded, it is highly unlikely that we'll be in a position to trade bad expiring contracts for better players.

[doclinkin]

Well, define longer? I'd happily trade James or Etan for a guy who has 1 more year on his contract. Then the next year, we'd have Songaila, Stevenson, and that player we get back in a trade all expiring. Try and repeat the process.

It doesn't work that way. Expiring contracts are only assets for teams willing to take on longer contracts in return. The problem is, we're over the luxtax next year, and we'll flirt with the luxtax the year after. And we really don't have any significant luxtax cushion for the foreseeable future after that.

Unless Jamison or Arenas is traded, it is highly unlikely that we'll be in a position to trade bad expiring contracts for better players.

It's still a useable asset, just means it's most useful in conjunction with a Jamison trade; a positive option. The re-signed CBosh scenario posted in the trade thread for instance.

Look, I'm not so panicked about the lux tax as all that. Abe is a different sort of cat. Ivan suggests the economy isn't killing him. Abe has said he will spend the money if it means a chance at a championship. He's late in life and wants to be happy. I suspect he'd see bringing a winner to DC as a philanthropic act, a mitzvah. Nobody wants to lose money but everybody wants to be loved and claim a good reputation. If we have a clear chance and an obvious opportunity to improve I suspect he'll think it's worth the money. He won't dump money into a losing team, but to bring a championship to DC, in this era, in hard times, to improve the lives of his fans and friends and give somethign for people to cheer about. I'd bet it would make him damn proud, and worth the money. Abe's got his own sort of principles, no point predicting what he's gonna do.

[doclinkin]

i dunno, the kid's crazy small. like, Jose Juan Barea small. I'd use a 2nd rounder on him, but only to fill the 3 point specialist role. not a fill-in-for-injured-gil role.

Barea was more of a ball-pounding point guard, driving into traffic to finish among the trees and draw fouls. (And no point denigrating JJB too badly since he kills the Wizards everytime we play him). McClinton has a bit of size on Barea, and longer arms, but Barea had nothing like the outside shot that JMcClint displays. Kid doesn't have crazy vertical hops, but his lateral hops are purely silly, he can get free for an outside shot on anybody. He's got a drive step-back hop that covers 8 feet, practically a short-range teleport. Catch and shoot quickrelease as fast and automatic as a factory assembly line. Speed on and off the ball. And deep, deep clutch range.

We get killed by teams with supposedly undersized players who can hit from long range, at some point we got to start adding players and stop adding 'potential'. I like Danny Green just fine too, but McClinton is going to piss off a ton of opponents.

[ZonkertheBrainless]

Only a WORLD CLASS IDIOT would trade away a top five pick for nothing because of luxury tax concerns. Whoever wrote that is a MORON. Top five picks are DIRT CHEAP and ABSOLUTELY WORTH spending the luxury tax on.

God the stupidity is just overwhelming sometimes. Do these people know ANYTHING???

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

i dunno, the kid's crazy small. like, Jose Juan Barea small. I'd use a 2nd rounder on him, but only to fill the 3 point specialist role. not a fill-in-for-injured-gil role.

Nice comparison, pancakes3. Just for giggles, you should check Jose's stat line as a starter for the Mavs.

I think McClinton's got a lot of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf in him, stat wise. (I readily admit to only seeing a highlight of him here and there, and see his stats as those of an explosive scorer with deep range.)

[Ruzious]

Well, define longer? I'd happily trade James or Etan for a guy who has 1 more year on his contract. Then the next year, we'd have Songaila, Stevenson, and that player we get back in a trade all expiring. Try and repeat the process.

It doesn't work that way. Expiring contracts are only assets for teams willing to take on longer contracts in return. The problem is, we're over the luxtax next year, and we'll flirt with the luxtax the year after. And we really don't have any significant luxtax cushion for the foreseeable future after that.

Unless Jamison or Arenas is traded, it is highly unlikely that we'll be in a position to trade bad expiring contracts for better players.

It's still a useable asset, just means it's most useful in conjunction with a Jamison trade; a positive option. The re-signed CBosh scenario posted in the trade thread for instance.

Look, I'm not so panicked about the lux tax as all that. Abe is a different sort of cat. Ivan suggests the economy isn't killing him. Abe has said he will spend the money if it means a chance at a championship. He's late in life and wants to be happy. I suspect he'd see bringing a winner to DC as a philanthropic act, a mitzvah. Nobody wants to lose money but everybody wants to be loved and claim a good reputation. If we have a clear chance and an obvious opportunity to improve I suspect he'll think it's worth the money. He won't dump money into a losing team, but to bring a championship to DC, in this era, in hard times, to improve the lives of his fans and friends and give somethign for people to cheer about. I'd bet it would make him damn proud, and worth the money. Abe's got his own sort of principles, no point predicting what he's gonna do.

Fair enough, the only possible way those expirings will be useful in a trade is if Abe would approve paying the lux tax for the following season in a trade for someone as good as Bosh - or in the even unlikelier event that Jamsion is traded for expirings or to a team with cap space.

[Ruzious]

i dunno, the kid's crazy small. like, Jose Juan Barea small. I'd use a 2nd rounder on him, but only to fill the 3 point specialist role. not a fill-in-for-injured-gil role.

Nice comparison, pancakes3. Just for giggles, you should check Jose's stat line as a starter for the Mavs.

I think McClinton's got a lot of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf in him, stat wise. (I readily admit to only seeing a highlight of him here and there, and see his stats as those of an explosive scorer with deep range.)

I even remember Chris Jackson very well when he played at LSU even before Shaq and Stanley Roberts - because my brother was at LSU at that time. Honestly, Chris Jackson - while talented - stunk. He was the classic shot-chucker, and he hurt his teams more than helped them. Maybe if he had a good coach (Brown was a sad joke), he would have learned a little discipline - and not have been such a detriment to his teams - because he could surely shoot and pass and dribble. But all those 35 footers... it was sad to watch him never improve from the beginning of his freshman year - when he was a phenom.

[pancakes3]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... der_by=pts

just a quick search. you want to give me some better numbers to work with, CCJ?

[closg00]

Wow! It's hard to believe that Tyler Hansbrough would have been a lotto pick last year, he just doesn't look like an NBA player....I guess Utah might take him.

[miller31time]

Only a WORLD CLASS IDIOT would trade away a top five pick for nothing because of luxury tax concerns. Whoever wrote that is a MORON. Top five picks are DIRT CHEAP and ABSOLUTELY WORTH spending the luxury tax on.

God the stupidity is just overwhelming sometimes. Do these people know ANYTHING???

[fishercob]

The recent WireTap nugget about Griffin breaking the Big 12 single season rebound mark caught my eye -- because of whose record Griff broke: Drew Gooden. I'm not saying that they're the same player by any stretch, but it does give me some pause about the praise that's being heaped upon Griffin. Drew's a fine player, but Griffin would need to be far, far better to justify the #1 pick.

[mhd]

The recent WireTap nugget about Griffin breaking the Big 12 single season rebound mark caught my eye -- because of whose record Griff broke: Drew Gooden. I'm not saying that they're the same player by any stretch, but it does give me some pause about the praise that's being heaped upon Griffin. Drew's a fine player, but Griffin would need to be far, far better to justify the #1 pick.

Which is why I love Jordan Hill so much. He doesn't play with any other big man. He grabs board with 2-3 guys around him. He gets "NBA" boards.

[Hendrix]

Just out of curiosity, what would your team be looking for to move the pick? I remember a while ago a realgm wiretap that said something about you guys possibly moving it, but I forget for what.

Any chance the Raptors have what it might take to get it done? We have some possible good assets like Bosh, Calderon, our 1st, possible S+T with Marion etc..

I could see Colangelo trying to take a run at Rubio possibly.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=bareajo01&match=game&year_min=2007&year_max=2009&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&pos=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

just a quick search. you want to give me some better numbers to work with, CCJ?

No, pancakes. that's pretty much what I expected.

Jose Juan Barea's had four games with more than 18 points out of the eight he played starters minutes. His AST/TO in those games has been has been 44/15, or a 3:1 ratio.

Point is he can start in a pinch and not hurt you too bad. I think McClinton will be at least as good offensively.

[Rafael122]

Just out of curiosity, what would your team be looking for to move the pick? I remember a while ago a realgm wiretap that said something about you guys possibly moving it, but I forget for what.

Any chance the Raptors have what it might take to get it done? We have some possible good assets like Bosh, Calderon, our 1st, possible S+T with Marion etc..

I could see Colangelo trying to take a run at Rubio possibly.

Calderon is locked into a long term deal. Bosh is looking to opt out so it doesn't matter where he goes, he's hitting free agency, and Marion is on the downside.

We can swap picks which saves us money, but you'd have to take on some of our bad contracts, i.e. Songaila, Stevenson, Etan, or Mike James. Pick 3, because you guys have only $47 million tied up for next season.

That's the only way the Wizards would do it. They will use the pick as bait, but on the condition that another team takes on some of our awful contracts.

[fishercob]

I disagree with Raf. I think we'd deal the pick for Bosh -- because I suspect Bosh would gladly re-up here given the talent he'd be surrounded by. The issue for the Wiz would be how to manage their longterm cap. They could either move Jamison, Songaila and the pick for Bosh, or trade expirings, young'ns and the pick for him and move Jamison for straight cap space (if they can find a partner for such a deal).

[Rafael122]

I wish it could be like baseball, give it 72 hours to see if a long term deal could be reached. If that's not possible in the NBA, then I wouldn't take that risk.

Bosh is thinking about 2010. There's still games to played this year, not to mention a whole season upcoming, but he's thinking beyond that. He's counting the days.

Butler is due for an extension as well. And Haywood. So we'd have to extend Haywood, Butler, AND Bosh? WOW. That's a lot, a lot of money tied up in just those 3 players plus Arenas. I'd prefer Jamison's contract if that were to be the case.

Start small. Trade Songaila, Stevenson, OPEC first.

Keep Etan and James.

We probably won't be major players in free agency in 2010, but we'd have enough money to sign Haywood and Butler to long term deals.