ImageImageImageImageImage

Discussing Other Teams' Moves

Moderators: nate33, montestewart, LyricalRico

verbal8
General Manager
Posts: 8,354
And1: 1,377
Joined: Jul 20, 2006
Location: Herndon, VA
     

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#961 » by verbal8 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:01 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
closg00 wrote:Cuban paid $3 Million for Dominique Jones and the Mavs don't play him.


That guy could help the Wizards and is a good player IMO.


Dallas might not be a bad destination for Nick Young. Maybe even Young and Crawford or Mack.

Dallas has some TPEs, so the salary imbalance would not be an issue.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,995
And1: 10,538
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#962 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:15 pm

DeMarcus Cousins has taken a league-leading 23 charges this season.

Cousins was asked how long taking charges has been a part of his game. "Since I figured out I couldn't block shots," he answered half-jokingly.

Keith Smart said Cousins’ willingness to take a charge makes opposing players hesitant to attack the rim.

"He's the best in the NBA right now as far as drawing charges," said Smart. "That's a unique skill for a big man, to be able to come over and take a charge. He's one of those guys that know how to do that.

"What that does for an opponent, a guy like Westbrook or someone like that, they know that there's a possibility that big guy's going to be waiting for me with a charge, not with a block. … With a charge, you don't get that foul back.”



Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1m6tCAesF
The Wizards shoukd have drafted Derik Queen

I told you so :banghead:
User avatar
Illuminaire
Veteran
Posts: 2,970
And1: 606
Joined: Jan 04, 2010
 

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#963 » by Illuminaire » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:24 pm

I'll admit, he's adjusting better and faster than I thought he would, CCJ. If he's able to get his passing back on track and either accept a lower usage role in the offense, or find more efficient ways to score, he'll be a *great* player.

(And at that point, well worth the maintenance and attitude issues. Not sure he's there yet, but he's at least made it darned close.)
closg00
RealGM
Posts: 24,717
And1: 4,567
Joined: Nov 21, 2004

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#964 » by closg00 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:43 pm

HUGE backlash against the GSW org for cutting Lin, have you guys been following it in the press?
The golden goose that got away. I bet they would trade Curry and keep Lin if they could turn-back the clock.
User avatar
willbcocks
Analyst
Posts: 3,667
And1: 330
Joined: Mar 17, 2003
Location: Wall-E has come to save Washington!

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#965 » by willbcocks » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:32 am

Lin's going to come back to earth. He has the third highest usage rate in the league behind Lebron and Kobe, he's turning it over a lot, he can't shoot the three, and he's not a great finisher. It's unlikely that he can keep up this high fg% on jumpshots and floaters. I still see him as a backup or below average starting pg.

Golden State would have been nuts to trade curry and keep lin.
hands11
Banned User
Posts: 31,171
And1: 2,444
Joined: May 16, 2005

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#966 » by hands11 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:10 am

Mike James Signs 10-Day Contract With Bulls

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... With_Bulls

I'm Mike James bitch. You can't keep me down.

How do X Wizards always end up on good teams.

CB, Haywood and DS to Dallas.
Wallace, RIp to Det
M Miller to Miami
Blake to LAL
User avatar
DaRealHibachi
Veteran
Posts: 2,864
And1: 173
Joined: Apr 11, 2008
Location: Rebuild..?? What Rebuild..??

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#967 » by DaRealHibachi » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:56 am

willbcocks wrote:Lin's going to come back to earth. He has the third highest usage rate in the league behind Lebron and Kobe, he's turning it over a lot, he can't shoot the three, and he's not a great finisher. It's unlikely that he can keep up this high fg% on jumpshots and floaters. I still see him as a backup or below average starting pg.

Golden State would have been nuts to trade curry and keep lin.


Exactly what I'm thinking...

Dude has strung a great string of games together, but please let's not forget about guys like Jennings; after his 55-point outing he was considered to be a future top 5 PG; he just good now, and I expect the same out of Lin...

Wall has been putting up roughly (wild guess) the same numbers as Lin for 1.5 years now while being much less fundamentally sound and people up to this day still doubt him; Lin plays a couple of good games on a good team with the largest media coverage and is already better than Wall to some...

Does not compute... :-?
:beer: Magnumt
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,995
And1: 10,538
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#968 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:08 am

willbcocks wrote:Lin's going to come back to earth. He has the third highest usage rate in the league behind Lebron and Kobe, he's turning it over a lot, he can't shoot the three, and he's not a great finisher. It's unlikely that he can keep up this high fg% on jumpshots and floaters. I still see him as a backup or below average starting pg.

Golden State would have been nuts to trade curry and keep lin.


Timing is everything in life.
The Wizards shoukd have drafted Derik Queen

I told you so :banghead:
User avatar
FAH1223
RealGM
Posts: 16,354
And1: 7,458
Joined: Nov 01, 2005
Location: Laurel, MD
       

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#969 » by FAH1223 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:16 am

willbcocks wrote:Lin's going to come back to earth. He has the third highest usage rate in the league behind Lebron and Kobe, he's turning it over a lot, he can't shoot the three, and he's not a great finisher. It's unlikely that he can keep up this high fg% on jumpshots and floaters. I still see him as a backup or below average starting pg.

Golden State would have been nuts to trade curry and keep lin.


you must have posted this before he hit a dagger in Calderon's face

Lin is a good player and he is young. He will get better and get into form. I don't see him declining greatly. His scoring will go down but his assists will stay up there and his TOs should decline as he gets experience playing against teams that have scouted him and he adjusts to defenses.
Image
LyricalRico
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 30,567
And1: 854
Joined: May 23, 2002
Location: Back into the fray!
Contact:
       

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#970 » by LyricalRico » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:54 pm

While he's worked proactively to set the rumors aside, Gasol told me today he still senses the Lakers are are ready to move him once a good enough deal comes along. "There's talks and rumors every day. Today I was reading it was Minnesota is really interested in trying to put a good package together," he said. "[Other teams are] calling, and it seems like things are just waiting for the right offer to come along for [the Lakers] to pull the trigger."

<snip>

As for the rumor itself, the latest sends Pau to Minnesota in exchange for anything not named Kevin Love or Ricky Rubio. Almost certainly any package would be centered around Derrick Williams, the second pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, plus whatever else Mitch Kupchak and Jim Buss might want off David Kahn's roster, which while improving still has an Island of Misfit Toys feel after Love and Rubio.

Even if the Lakers managed to acquire a point guard in the process (Luke Ridnour?), there's no way this sort of deal actually improves them. It only makes sense (and avoids a totally apoplectic Kobe Bryant) if the Lakers believed strongly they could use Williams as a chip in another trade, or as part of a three-team swap. Certainly he'd have some appeal as a young, potential cornerstone. Enough to help swing trades for Dwight Howard or Deron Williams? Who knows.


http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lak ... os-angeles

Wow, first I'm hearing/reading of Gasol-to-Minny rumors. The Wolves would love to do it IMO since Gasol gives Adelman a high post center and Gasol would have instant chemistry with Rubio. LA gets an infusion of young talent and looks to the future, but I agree with the article that it would be hard to sell it to Kobe. A 3-way could work, and LA's reluctance to give up both Bynum and Gasol in a Howard trade could be mitigated if they are also getting Derrick Williams.

Lakers trade: Bynum, Gasol, Barnes, DAL pick and 2 of their own picks
Lakers receive: Howard, DWill, Ridnour, Darko, Duhon, and QRich

Wolves trade: DWill, Ridnour, Darko, and Johnson
Wolves receive: Gasol, Barnes, and JRich

Magic trade: Howard, JRich, Duhon, and QRich
Magic receive: Bynum, Webster, Johnson, and DAL/LAL picks

LAL completely revamps their lineup for both present and future. Minny makes a consolidation trade to add two veteran starters to make a playoff run. Orlando gets young talent and cap relief rather than lose Howard for nothing. A few things could be switched around here or there, but you get the idea.

Howard/Darko
DWill/McBob
QRich/Metta
Kobe/Kapono
Ridnour/Fisher

Gasol/Pekovic
Love/Randolph
Beasley/Barnes
JRich/Ellington
Rubio/Barea

Bynum/Orton
Anderson/Davis
Turkgolu/Johnson
Redick/Wafer
Nelson/Hughes
verbal8
General Manager
Posts: 8,354
And1: 1,377
Joined: Jul 20, 2006
Location: Herndon, VA
     

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#971 » by verbal8 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:50 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Wow, first I'm hearing/reading of Gasol-to-Minny rumors. The Wolves would love to do it IMO since Gasol gives Adelman a high post center and Gasol would have instant chemistry with Rubio. LA gets an infusion of young talent and looks to the future, but I agree with the article that it would be hard to sell it to Kobe. A 3-way could work, and LA's reluctance to give up both Bynum and Gasol in a Howard trade could be mitigated if they are also getting Derrick Williams.

I think if the Wolves were pursuing a Gasol it would be Marc rather than Pau.

Yeah I think if the Lakers got Williams + an incentive, the would be willing to use the incentive and Bynum to get Dwight Howard, if he is available via trade. Or maybe the deal is Williams and Bynum for Howard and Anderson.
LyricalRico
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 30,567
And1: 854
Joined: May 23, 2002
Location: Back into the fray!
Contact:
       

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#972 » by LyricalRico » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:31 pm

Now Gasol to CHI apparently endorsed by Rose? Something like Boozer+Deng for Gasol+Blake? Gives the Bulls a low post option to put them over the top, plus a better PG option than Mike James. Gives the Lakers a major upgrade at SF while only taking a moderate downgrade at PF.
closg00
RealGM
Posts: 24,717
And1: 4,567
Joined: Nov 21, 2004

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#973 » by closg00 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:45 pm

Current Rankings
Rank Status Player
1 -- Kyrie Irving
2 -- Ricky Rubio
3 MarShon Brooks
4 Brandon Knight
5 Kemba Walker
6 NR Isaiah Thomas
7 Iman Shumpert
8 NR Kenneth Faried
9 Klay Thompson
10 Markieff Morris


New on the list? Faried and IT of-course
http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/
Dat2U
RealGM
Posts: 24,212
And1: 8,019
Joined: Jun 23, 2001
Location: Columbus, OH
       

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#974 » by Dat2U » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:20 am

closg00 wrote:
Current Rankings
Rank Status Player
1 -- Kyrie Irving
2 -- Ricky Rubio
3 MarShon Brooks
4 Brandon Knight
5 Kemba Walker
6 NR Isaiah Thomas
7 Iman Shumpert
8 NR Kenneth Faried
9 Klay Thompson
10 Markieff Morris


New on the list? Faried and IT of-course
http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/


Having Shumpert that high is a joke. He has no business being on this list. Dude has been a complete disaster at PG. Yes, he's physically talented but outside his first two games he's been consistently terrible.

I also think Brandon Knight rated too high. Here's the PER & TS% of the top 10 listed.

1. Irving PER: 21.55 TS%: .580
2. Rubio PER: 16.16 TS%: .498
3. Brooks PER: 15.63 TS%: .514
4. Knight PER: 11.84 TS%: .511
5. Walker PER: 15.41 TS%: .474
6. Thomas PER: 17.05 TS%: .545
7. Shumpert PER: 10.23 TS%: .450
8. Faried PER: 21.45 TS%: .590
9. Thompson PER: 12.25 TS% .566
10. Morris PER: 14.03 TS%: .490
User avatar
Nivek
Head Coach
Posts: 7,406
And1: 959
Joined: Sep 29, 2010
Contact:
         

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#975 » by Nivek » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:38 pm

Here's my list of top rookies (total production using my own PER-like stat -- minimum 200 minutes played):

1. Ricky Rubio, MIN
2. Khyrie Irving, CLE
3. Kawhi Leonard, SAN
4. Kemba Walker, CHA
5. Chandler Parsons, HOU
6. Gustavo Ayon, NOH
7. Marshon Brooks, NJN
8. Brandon Knight, DET
9. Markieff Morris, PHO
10. Isaiah Thomas, SAC

On a per minute basis, Faried would be #1 on my list.
"A lot of what we call talent is the desire to practice."
-- Malcolm Gladwell

Check out my blog about the Wizards, movies, writing, music, TV, sports, and whatever else comes to mind.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,995
And1: 10,538
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#976 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:41 pm

Nivek wrote:Here's my list of top rookies (total production using my own PER-like stat -- minimum 200 minutes played):

1. Ricky Rubio, MIN
2. Khyrie Irving, CLE
3. Kawhi Leonard, SAN
4. Kemba Walker, CHA
5. Chandler Parsons, HOU
6. Gustavo Ayon, NOH
7. Marshon Brooks, NJN
8. Brandon Knight, DET
9. Markieff Morris, PHO
10. Isaiah Thomas, SAC

On a per minute basis, Faried would be #1 on my list.


Nivek, that's why I posted stats based on > 196 minutes in another thread. Four more minutes of PT and Faried is #1 among all rooks. :)

Faried really is a legit ROY prospect if some how he gets minutes. Nobody is going to scout against quick leaping, strong finishing, fast running, and extremely proficient rebounding, shot blocking and competitiveness. Faried is a garbage man on the boards like Rodman, but he's also an elite shot blocker and finisher.

Faried will get better IF he plays more minutes.
The Wizards shoukd have drafted Derik Queen

I told you so :banghead:
User avatar
Nivek
Head Coach
Posts: 7,406
And1: 959
Joined: Sep 29, 2010
Contact:
         

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#977 » by Nivek » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:42 pm

Faried is up to 233 minutes now. :)

I posted based on TOTAL production. I'll put up a per minute list in a minute.
"A lot of what we call talent is the desire to practice."
-- Malcolm Gladwell

Check out my blog about the Wizards, movies, writing, music, TV, sports, and whatever else comes to mind.
User avatar
Nivek
Head Coach
Posts: 7,406
And1: 959
Joined: Sep 29, 2010
Contact:
         

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#978 » by Nivek » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:50 pm

Rookies with at least 200 minutes. Per minute production using my PER-like stat:

1. Faried
2. Ayon
3. Vucevic
4. Leonard
5. Irving
6. Rubio
7. Lavoy Allen, PHI
8. Josh Harrellson, NYK
9. Tobias Harris, MIL
10. Enes Kanter, UTA
"A lot of what we call talent is the desire to practice."
-- Malcolm Gladwell

Check out my blog about the Wizards, movies, writing, music, TV, sports, and whatever else comes to mind.
LyricalRico
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 30,567
And1: 854
Joined: May 23, 2002
Location: Back into the fray!
Contact:
       

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#979 » by LyricalRico » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:11 pm

Nivek wrote:1. Faried


You mis-spelled "Vesely". :D
closg00
RealGM
Posts: 24,717
And1: 4,567
Joined: Nov 21, 2004

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves 

Post#980 » by closg00 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:01 am

Nivek wrote:Rookies with at least 200 minutes. Per minute production using my PER-like stat:

1. Faried
2. Ayon
3. Vucevic
4. Leonard
5. Irving
6. Rubio
7. Lavoy Allen, PHI
8. Josh Harrellson, NYK
9. Tobias Harris, MIL
10. Enes Kanter, UTA


Vucevic is another name that was kicked-around pre-draft for our 6th pick.

Return to Washington Wizards