2012 NBA Draft - Part II

[The Consiglieri]

I'll take Davis, Crowder and Lamb. Thanks.

Then we amnesty Blatche and sign Batum (send them Vesely in a S&T).

PG Wall/Mack
SG Batum/Lamb/Crawford
SF Crowder/Batum/Singleton
PF Davis/Booker
C Nene/Seraphin

Interesting to imagine how it could play out:

#1
PG: Wall/Mack
SG: Crawford
SF: Singleton/Ves
PF: Davis/Booker
C: Nene/Seraphin

#2
PG: Wall Mack
SG: Beal/Crawford
SF: Singleton/Ves
PF: Booker/Ves/Nene
C: Nene/Seraphin

#3
PG: Wall Mack
SG: Crawford/
SF: MKG/Singleton
PF: Booker/Ves
C: Nene/Seraphin

#4
PG: Wall/Mack
SG: Crawford
SF: Singleton/Ves
PF: Robinson/Booker
C: Nene/Seraphin

#5
PG: Wall/Mack
SG: Crawford
SF: Singleton/Ves
PF: Booker/Seraphin/Nene
C: Nene/Drummond

I make no assumptions with free agency as I suspect all the guys we really want will go elsewhere. Batum is going to be a massively attractive option this summer, I find it HIGHLY unlikely he goes to DC. Would love it, but I think it's a better idea to simply imagine how the different top 5-6 players would impact the starting lineup/depth, and then build a FA class target depth chart because we aren't going to be peeling off the #1 option at any position in FA. And probably not the second or potentially third either.

[Nivek]

Lamb looks like Nick Young 2.0 -- but moreso. He's a great shooter -- 47% from 3pt range and superb overall efficiency. BUT, his 2pt% is .467 -- which is worrisome -- and he doesn't rebound or generate steals, blocks or assists. He's a tremendous shooter, no doubt. I just wonder whether he'll do enough in other areas of the game to earn playing time.

None of the players like him (at least 13 ppg and 45% shooting from 3pt range, but with fewer than 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game) since 1998-99 have made it to the NBA. If I increase assists by 1, Salim Stoudamire shows up. Let in guys with up to 4 rebounds and 4 assists and it adds Casey Jacobsen, Darren Collison, and Blake Ahearn (D-League wonder).

Not saying it's impossible for him to become a good pro, but his comps don't look very good. If the Wiz still have their late 2nd round pick, it might be worth grabbing him because his shooting is definitely NBA worthy.

[nate33]

Lamb looks like Nick Young 2.0 -- but moreso. He's a great shooter -- 47% from 3pt range and superb overall efficiency. BUT, his 2pt% is .467 -- which is worrisome -- and he doesn't rebound or generate steals, blocks or assists. He's a tremendous shooter, no doubt. I just wonder whether he'll do enough in other areas of the game to earn playing time.

None of the players like him (at least 13 ppg and 45% shooting from 3pt range, but with fewer than 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game) since 1998-99 have made it to the NBA. If I increase assists by 1, Salim Stoudamire shows up. Let in guys with up to 4 rebounds and 4 assists and it adds Casey Jacobsen, Darren Collison, and Blake Ahearn (D-League wonder).

Not saying it's impossible for him to become a good pro, but his comps don't look very good. If the Wiz still have their late 2nd round pick, it might be worth grabbing him because his shooting is definitely NBA worthy.

Interesting stuff, Nivek.

I suppose Lamb could be in a somewhat unique situation because he plays on a loaded Kentucky team. Most players as good as Lamb tend to be the number 2 or 3 option on offense and play a much more prominent role. It's hard for Lamb to tabulate assists when Teague and Gilchrist do so much ball handling, relegating Lamb to a catch-and-shoot player. It's hard for him to tabulate rebounds on a team featuring Davis, Jones and MKG. The best thing for Lamb to do on that team is to spread the floor and nail long range jumpers at an extremely efficient rate. That's exactly what he does.

I'm not saying he will pan out to be a good pro. I'm just saying that there are reasons to believe that he won't follow the statistical pattern of others.

[pancakes3]

talking doron? i'll agree. he's not a starting sg but i like him as an off-the-bench scorer as much as anyone else. of the young mediocre shooting guards that have come out lately - james anderson, crawford, jodie meeks, etc. i think doron's got the best shot of sticking around with a ceiling of jason terry-esque impact.

the 3.7 FTA/gm on limited touches is what convinces me of this. he's more than just a shooter. plus he's got 6'5 size and athleticism to back up his stroke.

[Ruzious]

Lamb looks like Nick Young 2.0 -- but moreso. He's a great shooter -- 47% from 3pt range and superb overall efficiency. BUT, his 2pt% is .467 -- which is worrisome -- and he doesn't rebound or generate steals, blocks or assists. He's a tremendous shooter, no doubt. I just wonder whether he'll do enough in other areas of the game to earn playing time.

None of the players like him (at least 13 ppg and 45% shooting from 3pt range, but with fewer than 3 rebounds and 2 assists per game) since 1998-99 have made it to the NBA. If I increase assists by 1, Salim Stoudamire shows up. Let in guys with up to 4 rebounds and 4 assists and it adds Casey Jacobsen, Darren Collison, and Blake Ahearn (D-League wonder).

Not saying it's impossible for him to become a good pro, but his comps don't look very good. If the Wiz still have their late 2nd round pick, it might be worth grabbing him because his shooting is definitely NBA worthy.

Yeah, but he plays on a team that dominates defensively, creates turnovers, and dominates on the boards. At some point, there are only so many rebounds/blocks/steals available, and there are only a handful of NBA guards that get a significant amount of blocks, anyway. So, that leaves rebounds and steals - again, he's on a team that dominates defensively and on the boards - with him in the game. The "superb overall efficiency" is going in round 1, and the Zards need it.

[Nivek]

Yeah Ruz -- I understand your point and agree with it to an extent. It's the fact that he did so little of anything but shoot the 3 that would give me pause. This is one of those "I'd like to know why" things. Maybe it's just "super-team" effect -- Davis, MKG and Jones soaking up all the rebounds.

Hmm...this gives me an idea.

[Ruzious]

The solution is simple. Just make the Wizards a superteam, and Lamb would then be a perfect fit.

[Rafael122]

John Henson, Kendall Marshall and Harrison Barnes are all in the draft.

[Jay81]

John Henson, Kendall Marshall and Harrison Barnes are all in the draft.

barnes would of gone #2 or 3 last year....especially after that 40 point game.

[Rafael122]

John Henson, Kendall Marshall and Harrison Barnes are all in the draft.

barnes would of gone #2 or 3 last year....especially after that 40 point game.

There's a joke on Twitter than Henson and Marshall will be the only ones showing up at the presser.

[fishercob]

I've come up with a brilliant offseason plan:

1. Win the lottery. I had to think on this for a while, but I think it works. Draft Anthony Davis.
2. Have Ohio State win the national title behind an epic performance by Sullinger. Then have Kevin Love, fresh off another 40-20 game, call a press conference and say "that Sullinger guy is JUST like me." Boost that draft stock. FUnd some PR campaigns for Drummond, Barnes and Perry Jones as well.
3. Start leaking nasty stuff to the press about Brad Beal, so he falls to where some of the mocks have him -- around 6th or 7th. Convince a team -- say, Golden State -- that the true key to their renaissance is getting bad deals off the books so they can be players in free agency (Gerald Wallace, Batum, Deron Williams?).

We take Beal, Biedriens and Richard Jefferson for Lewis and some reasonable combo of our second(s), Vesely, Booker, Seraphin, Mack, Crawford, whomever.

Roll with Nene, Davis, Jefferson, Beal, Wall, Biedrin, Singleton, and whomever is left over. Get better and better over the next two years and come in to free agency '14 with a lot of room and a lot of talent.

It could happen, right?

[dobrojim]

Barnes clearly lost money by staying. Too bad for him.
I wonder how that might affect others in the future.
Sully too for that matter.

[Rafael122]

Thoughts on Robbie Hummel?

[fishercob]

Thoughts on Robbie Hummel?

He started college in the 90's.

[Severn Hoos]

Ouch, that's harsh fish.

A look at Hummel's profile on DX shows a sad decline precipitated by injuries. Hew was considered among the top 5 NBA prospects in the Big 10 after his freshman year (didn't know he shot almost 45% from 3 that year), then 5-10, then 10-20, and finally not ranked at all among Big 10 prospects.

At 6'8, he's not really big enough to be a full time PF, and even if he had the quickness to play SF at one time, he certainly doesn't any more.

He's the type of guy I'd love to offer a camp invite, let him show the kids who have skated for far too long what real work is like (oh wait - they're already gone), and maybe keep him around as a minimum salary guy. But I wouldn't even use the Mavs' pick on him - don't think he'll be drafted at all.

[Ruzious]

I've come up with a brilliant offseason plan:

1. Win the lottery. I had to think on this for a while, but I think it works. Draft Anthony Davis.
2. Have Ohio State win the national title behind an epic performance by Sullinger. Then have Kevin Love, fresh off another 40-20 game, call a press conference and say "that Sullinger guy is JUST like me." Boost that draft stock. FUnd some PR campaigns for Drummond, Barnes and Perry Jones as well.
3. Start leaking nasty stuff to the press about Brad Beal, so he falls to where some of the mocks have him -- around 6th or 7th. Convince a team -- say, Golden State -- that the true key to their renaissance is getting bad deals off the books so they can be players in free agency (Gerald Wallace, Batum, Deron Williams?).

We take Beal, Biedriens and Richard Jefferson for Lewis and some reasonable combo of our second(s), Vesely, Booker, Seraphin, Mack, Crawford, whomever.

Roll with Nene, Davis, Jefferson, Beal, Wall, Biedrin, Singleton, and whomever is left over. Get better and better over the next two years and come in to free agency '14 with a lot of room and a lot of talent.

It could happen, right?

You had me at "Win the lottery". After that, you could have told me to swallow a teaspoon of cinammon, and I might go along with it. Nah, nobody's that stupid.

Hmm, MegaMillions is at 540 mil. I'd almost rather the Wiz win the lotto than me winning MegaMillions.

Almost.

[Jay81]

Im not convinced that barnes is going to suck in the NBA. I think he has a Danny Granger ceiling. He should be a 15-17 pt scorer shooting 45% from the field in the right situation

[Nivek]

If I won MegaMillions, I'd offer Ted $540 million for the Wizards.

[closg00]

If I won MegaMillions, I'd offer Ted $540 million for the Wizards.

If I win Mega Millions I will try to get a piece of the Wizards. Several of you guys would have jobs as draft consultants

[doclinkin]

Portland Invitiational Tourney coming up in a couple weeks. Here are the players I'd be most eager to see:

Wendell McKines, under the radar SF prospect with NBA athleticism, decent inside outside numbers, big rebounding numbers but from a small conference, the only real player on his squad but he posted pretty good assist numbers a couple years back when playing with two other pretty good scorers. Possible steal with the late Dallas pick depending on who's on the board.

Scott Machado: this year's Jared Jordan? (Ie pure point guard, but no real skills to translate to stick with a team). Good 3pt% numbers say maybe no.

Kim English: Good attitude sharpshooting SF/SG prospect from a bigtime program. Good size, decent athleticism. Question: was his jump in efficiency a product of the emergence of Denmon/Ratliffe or did their numbers benefit from his improvement as an outside threat. Probable late first rounder after interviews and workouts, would be a steal with a late 2nd.

Herb Pope. Bulletproof Big East thug frontcourt player managed to surprise this year with an adequate outside shot, displayed about one three point jumper per game. A long-armed no-neck widebody, the type whose rebounding profile tends to translate to the next level. A near death health scare refocussed his attention on his love of the game, did it also humble and mature him? Reports suggest yes. Maybe. Highly competitive filthy nasty player, would rather punch you in the nads than lose.

Drew Gordon: small conference big rebounder, but with solid defensive numbers in block steal ratios. Currently somewhat lean but with a frame that looks like it will take some muscle.

Chace Stanback: catch and shoot option shooter averaging 46% from three on almost 6 shots a game. Clearly defined NBA role, but in a role we desperately need (ranged shooter).

And of course I'm always interested in following the progress of local hoopsters like Henry Sims, Mike Scott, Kent Bazemore, among others.