Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

[gambitx777]

NYK get : Ish Smith and lopez
Wiz: get mo bamba
Orlando: robinson, mo, 2021 from NYK and 2022 second from WIZ.

NYK get some vet help in the back and can move on from some I've their more injury prone guards that arnt working out.

Wiz get a good defensive back up center and get a few spots free. They can then bring up mathews, winston or bell and sit lopez. And it gets us a few mill under the tax so we have room to play.

Orlando have a log jam up from and mo gives them something different, robinson provides 3 pt shooting and the seconds are fair for bamba who is under achieving right now!


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[nate33]

Neither NYK nor ORL do this.

[wall_glizzy]

Neither NYK nor ORL do this.

I think Orlando definitely does - Knicks 2021 first should be great, maybe even better than the pick they took Bamba with in the first place - but the Knicks absolutely don't.

[nate33]

Neither NYK nor ORL do this.

I think Orlando definitely does - Knicks 2021 first should be great, maybe even better than the pick they took Bamba with in the first place - but the Knicks absolutely don't.

I thought it was the NY 2nd. The Knicks would laugh you off the phone if you offered them Ish and Lopez for their 2021 lotto pick!

I'm not sure I've ever seen a more unrealistic trade proposal.

If the Knicks would do that, I'd absolutely cut Orlando out.

[gambitx777]

Neither NYK nor ORL do this.

I think Orlando definitely does - Knicks 2021 first should be great, maybe even better than the pick they took Bamba with in the first place - but the Knicks absolutely don't.

I thought it was the NY 2nd. The Knicks would laugh you off the phone if you offered them Ish and Lopez for their 2021 lotto pick!

I'm not sure I've ever seen a more unrealistic trade proposal.

If the Knicks would do that, I'd absolutely cut Orlando out.

It was a second round pick
Not a first that's just silly

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[Dark Faze]

Is Bamba terrible?

Occam's razor says more likely than not there's no hidden treasure there to be plucked. Perennial low playoff seeded team desperate for young stars gives a guy with Bamba's measurables a bunch of DNP's-CD's---does not bode well.

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Have you looked at Bamba's numbers from last year? So that you'd have an idea of what he did on the basketball court? Be a good idea.

Mo Bamba is 3 months younger than Rui Hachimura. Would it be worth it to compare the two players' numbers last year?

[gambitx777]

Have you looked at Bamba's numbers from last year? So that you'd have an idea of what he did on the basketball court? Be a good idea.

Mo Bamba is 3 months younger than Rui Hachimura. Would it be worth it to compare the two players' numbers last year?

Maybe my assessment of bamba is over valued ? Just the one second from NYK?

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[payitforward]

That's the conclusion you draw from looking at his numbers?

Here's a thought experiment: let's say I'm GM of a 3d team, neither the Warriors nor the Magic, & I'm trying to decide whether I should try to trade for either Mo Bamba or Rui Hachimura. Which would I prefer & why?

Is there a solid reason to prefer Bamba over Hachimura? Is there a solid reason to prefer Hachimura over Bamba?

What do you think, & why?

[nate33]

From the NBA Games Discussion Thread:

Swap out Nunn for Duncan Robinson and its interesting.

Yup. I might look to flip Robinson afterward. I think there are diminishing returns to having both Bertans and Robinson, and Robinson is up for a new contract soon. How much future value would a contender trade for him given that his cap number is so low at the moment? How many picks could you get out of team like Philly?

Beal is terrific, but would it make sense for Miami to trade all these assets for him?

OTOH, with Beal off the books, would Robinson's potential salary be much of a problem?

I don't think Miami would include Robinson so it's a moot point.

But I do think they would trade Herro, Achiuwa and their 2023 1st. And we could make the trade without forcing them to include Iguodala or Dragic as salary ballast (which is our big advantage over Houston trading Harden).

The trade could be:
Beal + Wagner + Neto + Pasecniks + Gil
for
Herro + Achiuwa + Dunn + Olynyk + Leonard + 2023 1st

Each team gives up 2 guards and 3 bigs so the rosters remain balanced.

Our lineup next year would be:
PG Westbrook, Dunn
SG Herro, Brown
SF Avdija, Bonga
PF Hachimura, Bertans
C Bryant, Achiuwa

Hopefully the Wizards draft a good young PG in 2021. Basically, it's Westbrook instilling his work ethic and competitive fire onto a bunch of good young players for the next two years and then we'll see what happens.

[Dat2U]

From the NBA Games Discussion Thread:

Yup. I might look to flip Robinson afterward. I think there are diminishing returns to having both Bertans and Robinson, and Robinson is up for a new contract soon. How much future value would a contender trade for him given that his cap number is so low at the moment? How many picks could you get out of team like Philly?

Beal is terrific, but would it make sense for Miami to trade all these assets for him?

OTOH, with Beal off the books, would Robinson's potential salary be much of a problem?

I don't think Miami would include Robinson so it's a moot point.

But I do think they would trade Herro, Achiuwa and their 2023 1st. And we could make the trade without forcing them to include Iguodala or Dragic as salary ballast (which is our big advantage over Houston trading Harden).

The trade could be:
Beal + Wagner + Neto + Pasecniks + Gil
for
Herro + Achiuwa + Dunn + Olynyk + Leonard + 2023 1st

Each team gives up 2 guards and 3 bigs so the rosters remain balanced.

Our lineup next year would be:
PG Westbrook, Dunn
SG Herro, Brown
SF Avdija, Bonga
PF Hachimura, Bertans
C Bryant, Achiuwa

Hopefully the Wizards draft a good young PG in 2021. Basically, it's Westbrook instilling his work ethic and competitive fire onto a bunch of good young players for the next two years and then we'll see what happens.

As good as Beal is right now and the fact he's not demanding a trade, I honestly wouldn't settle for an ok or good package. Seeing what OKC got for Paul George & Russ and what NO got for AD & Jrue, that's the type of offer I want.

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Essentially, nate's trade is Beal for Herro, Achiuwa & a '23 R1 pick. Nobody cares about the rest of the guys on either side.

That's why I wanted Robinson in the deal instead of Kendrick Nunn. That would be as good a return for Bradley Beal as we'd ever be likely to get.

I don't think Miami would do that deal, & I wouldn't do it with Nunn in place of Robinson.

[nate33]

From the NBA Games Discussion Thread:

Beal is terrific, but would it make sense for Miami to trade all these assets for him?

OTOH, with Beal off the books, would Robinson's potential salary be much of a problem?

I don't think Miami would include Robinson so it's a moot point.

But I do think they would trade Herro, Achiuwa and their 2023 1st. And we could make the trade without forcing them to include Iguodala or Dragic as salary ballast (which is our big advantage over Houston trading Harden).

The trade could be:
Beal + Wagner + Neto + Pasecniks + Gil
for
Herro + Achiuwa + Dunn + Olynyk + Leonard + 2023 1st

Each team gives up 2 guards and 3 bigs so the rosters remain balanced.

Our lineup next year would be:
PG Westbrook, Dunn
SG Herro, Brown
SF Avdija, Bonga
PF Hachimura, Bertans
C Bryant, Achiuwa

Hopefully the Wizards draft a good young PG in 2021. Basically, it's Westbrook instilling his work ethic and competitive fire onto a bunch of good young players for the next two years and then we'll see what happens.

As good as Beal is right now and the fact he's not demanding a trade, I honestly wouldn't settle for an ok or good package. Seeing what OKC got for Paul George & Russ and what NO got for AD & Jrue, that's the type of offer I want.

I think that's wise. I would not pull the trigger on this deal right now. (It's technically impossible until Leonard is eligible to be traded in a few more weeks.)

I think of this as the floor in any Beal trade. If this exact trade were to happen, I wouldn't be all that upset. But I do think there might be a better Beal trade out there if we are patient. All of the top tier free agents next summer have already resigned, so there aren't many avenues for a team to acquire a star player other than to trade for Beal (or Harden).

I think I might like this deal better than Beal for Simmons or Beal for MPJ and filler. The play of Achiuwa has me intrigued. I was worried that he lacked the size and heft to really be a full time center, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[J-Ves]

From the NBA Games Discussion Thread:

Yup. I might look to flip Robinson afterward. I think there are diminishing returns to having both Bertans and Robinson, and Robinson is up for a new contract soon. How much future value would a contender trade for him given that his cap number is so low at the moment? How many picks could you get out of team like Philly?

Beal is terrific, but would it make sense for Miami to trade all these assets for him?

OTOH, with Beal off the books, would Robinson's potential salary be much of a problem?

I don't think Miami would include Robinson so it's a moot point.

But I do think they would trade Herro, Achiuwa and their 2023 1st. And we could make the trade without forcing them to include Iguodala or Dragic as salary ballast (which is our big advantage over Houston trading Harden).

The trade could be:
Beal + Wagner + Neto + Pasecniks + Gil
for
Herro + Achiuwa + Dunn + Olynyk + Leonard + 2023 1st

Each team gives up 2 guards and 3 bigs so the rosters remain balanced.

Our lineup next year would be:
PG Westbrook, Dunn
SG Herro, Brown
SF Avdija, Bonga
PF Hachimura, Bertans
C Bryant, Achiuwa

Hopefully the Wizards draft a good young PG in 2021. Basically, it's Westbrook instilling his work ethic and competitive fire onto a bunch of good young players for the next two years and then we'll see what happens.

I’d probably make that deal. I would try to squeeze another first from Miami, but overall the return value is solid.

My only concern is, with Beal gone, who is the guy we are building around? Avdija?

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One disconnect between someone who likes this trade vs. someone who doesn't might be the assessment of Kendrick Nunn. An undrafted rookie, he started the season very hot from the 3-point line. That went away quickly, leaving him as a slightly sub-par scorer who's also below average in everything else.

Obviously, he was a rookie, so it's a little extreme simply to write him off. At the same time, Nunn is 25 years old; it's likely that what you see is what you get.

[nate33]

One disconnect between someone who likes this trade vs. someone who doesn't might be the assessment of Kendrick Nunn. An undrafted rookie, he started the season very hot from the 3-point line. That went away quickly, leaving him as a slightly sub-par scorer who's also below average in everything else.

Obviously, he was a rookie, so it's a little extreme simply to write him off. At the same time, Nunn is 25 years old; it's likely that what you see is what you get.

I don't really care about Nunn. You could leave him and Neto out of it and my stance wouldn't change. I'm doing the trade for Herro, Precious, and the 1st. Obviously, I'd like it even more if Robinson was included.

(I'm not pushing for the deal right now. I agree with Dat2U that we should be patient and see if a better offer for Beal materializes. But I wouldn't be upset of my proposed deal happened.)

[SUPERBALLMAN]

The player i keep circling back to is Myles Turner.

I like him as a target because he is a defensive big man who can protect the rim who is just entering his prime. Also I don't think he's a guy out of our range in terms of being obtainable.

Maybe something like Bryant, Troy Brown Jr, Ish Smith.

For Washington, Bryant is being replaced with Turner. Brown is expendable because Avdija has emerged as the starting SF of the future. Robinson in the eyes of Wizards brass is a guy who can replace TBJ as a reserve guard with a similar skillset, who they actually preferred in the same draft. Ish is replaceable with Neto and Winston.


Indiana may like Bryant as a center with more offensive upside, and is a former Hoosier. Troy Brown Jr as a versatile skilled 21 yr old prospect can be a potential building block. Ish is just throw in to make the salaries work, but a savy vet PG who can fit on any team and contribute and expiring contract. Maybe Wizards throw in a 2nd rounder?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7373514

[gambitx777]

I can not imagine if hero was off the table for a harden trade that he would be on the table in a beal trade. But hero P.A. and a first is a pretty damn good return. If you can steal nun or D.robinson or some how bring in a third team to dump our robinson/ ish or lopez that would be a slam dunk.



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[Silvie Lysandra]

The player i keep circling back to is Myles Turner.

No way Indy does this without one of Deni and Rui going back the other way now. We should have sold high on Bryant. The reality is that offense from your big man is a luxury, what they NEED to do is be good defenders, and Bryant is a trash defender on a fundamental level.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How about:

Troy Brown Jr., Moe Wagner, Ish Smith to CHI for Wendell Carter Jr, Chandler Hutchison and Garrett Temple?

Essentially Jr. for Jr. with others balancing the deal.