The RealGM Wizards Board Draft Thread 2008/2009

[barelyawake]

I'm not saying we should trade for Bosh, but if the Wiz honestly think that is what will win them a championship, then of course you do it. I'm guessing roughly the resigned salaries:

Hinrich/Crit
Arenas/Caron
Caron/Dom
Bosh/McGee
Haywood/Blatche


18 Bosh
11 Caron
19 Arenas
9 Haywood
10 Hinrich
3 Blatche
2 McGee
3 Crit
5 Dom

That's 80 million roughly (give or take a million or two) three years out (fifth highest payroll -- Cleveland is paying 91), and Caron already basically maxed out. That's three years worth of that team shooting for a championship. Now, if you think that team has a shot at a championship, of course you pay that. Or you have two years to shoot at it, and then trade Caron out. I'm not completely sold that is the best way to go in terms of talent (because Hill might just end up a player). But, money shouldn't be the concern. Not if you honestly think that's a championship team. That's what they cost.

[AgentOvechkin08]

Arenas is not playing no SG, lets just throw that idea out the window.

I really dont want any part in hinrich at this point, he would have to be a backup

and i really dont want to see Nick Young get traded and go off to another team and average 20 ppg

[Hendrix]

I realy doubt the Raptors will be under the cap enought to be able to take on contracts coming back. Colangelo has talked about either re-signing Marion or S+T Marion. both will probably put us pretty close to the cap. He's also talked about re-singing Parker, Delfino, Graham, and using our Full MLE, and LLE.

If Bosh were to re-sign the contract this summer, what about Bosh + something (maybe our pick I dunno) for Butler + your first.


I'de imagine he'de like to play in Washington. You guys have cheap ass taxes, and a lot of talent around him to make a run at a chip.

[barelyawake]

Arenas/Crit
Dom/Hinrich
Caron/Dom
Bosh/McGee
Haywood/Blatche

Does that make you feel better? Same result.

[barelyawake]

If Bosh were to re-sign the contract this summer, what about Bosh + something (maybe our pick I dunno) for Butler + your first.

Yeah, it's been discussed many times. There are several way to work it. Might even take a third team taking AJ. I was just giving a rough idea of the cost.

[AgentOvechkin08]

barelyawake, Dom at SG?

I am fine with the bosh trade, but i dont want to do a Hinrich trade, you talk about a bad contract...

Me personally, if they would do it, Thomas + James + 09 1st + Blatche for Bosh

Then you can try to dump Jamison to a team for a quality 2 guard....or

I would do Stevenson + Jamison For Gerald Wallace

Slide Caron to SG

Arenas/Critt
Caron/Young
Wallace/McGuire
Bosh/Songaila/
Haywood/McGee

We get better defensively IMO and if we are still able to keep out HIGH 2nd rounder use it on a PF for depth reason, or a deadly sharpshooter like Jodie Meeks or Mclinton from Miami, though i dont think we should use a pick like that on a sharp shooter - see Salim Stoudemire a couple years back

People are saying Blair is a lock for the 1st round, maybe even lottery, i am not so sure. Why would a team invest a 1st rounder on a 6'7 C/PF who has some questions about him (weight, conditioning etc.)

What I am saying is, if he fell to the 2nd I would not mind him, even though he could be a wasted pick or a Paul Millsap for us.

[AgentOvechkin08]

This is just me but I would love to see this scenario happen, for team talent reasons and financial reasons.

I know McGrady is having MICROFRACTURE surgery but next season he would be at least servicible if we got him i would expect him to all of sudden become his old self, but a good role player. Also he is probably going to work hard to come back strong, cus it is his contract year.

Speaking of contract he would be 20 million off the books in 2010, thats a good amount of relief

My trade (has been posted many times)

Songaila Stevenson Jamison + 2010 2nd FOR McGrady + Dorsey + 09 1st

Their probably want to give away McGrady because of his status and if we are offering Jamison and a player like songaila and debrick we are really upgrading them, because Jamison would greatly help them out with his versatile scoring. Their first is going to be in the early to late 20s.

Then just to not have to deal with him anymore, i am hoping Mike James gets bought out.

This would all have to come after we draft BLAKE GRIFFIN ( I AM BEING REALLY OPTIMISTIC HERE)

We then would have Houstons 1st - Draft Terrence Williams

We then have our 2nd rounder - Jodie Meeks/Jack Mcclinton

Arenas/Critt/McClinton
McGrady/Young/Williams
Butler/McGuire/Williams
Griffin/Blatche/Dorsey/Pech
Haywood/McGee/Thomas

It is an optimistic plan, lets just put it that way.

[AgentOvechkin08]

Oh speaking of Jack McClinton comparisons what about Eddie House, an undersized non PG who runs the point at times and comes off the bench firing jumpshots with an ultra quick release. I see McClinton being able to slash a bit better though.

[nate33]

18 Bosh
11 Caron
19 Arenas
9 Haywood
10 Hinrich
3 Blatche
2 McGee
3 Crit
5 Dom

That's 80 million roughly (give or take a million or two) three years out (fifth highest payroll -- Cleveland is paying 91), and Caron already basically maxed out. That's three years worth of that team shooting for a championship. Now, if you think that team has a shot at a championship, of course you pay that. Or you have two years to shoot at it, and then trade Caron out. I'm not completely sold that is the best way to go in terms of talent (because Hill might just end up a player). But, money shouldn't be the concern. Not if you honestly think that's a championship team. That's what they cost.

You're assuming that we managed to dump Jamison, Stevenson, Songaila, James and Etan in those Bosh and Hinrich deals. That's a pretty unlikely scenario, but let's go with it for now. You still have to factor a few veteran-minimum deals to fill out that roster. That brings it to $84M. The luxtax limit will probably be around $68M. So Abe will also pay a $16M luxtax and lose out on $3M in the luxtax payout. So effectively, that roster is costing Abe $103M. That's a lot to ask an owner to spend in an era when most other owners are paying $65-68M.

[Ruzious]

Back to the draft - within the classic matchup of UNC/Duke was Henderson vs Green. Green won the matchup as his team won the game. Henderson (Duke's #1 option) 4/11, no 3's, 4 bounds, 3 assists, 5 TO's, 1 steal, no blocks. Green (UNC's #4 option) 5/10 including 2 3's, 4 bounds, 1 assist, 2 to's, 3 steals, 1 block.

[barelyawake]

You're assuming that we managed to dump Jamison, Stevenson, Songaila, James and Etan in those Bosh and Hinrich deals. That's a pretty unlikely scenario, but let's go with it for now. You still have to factor a few veteran-minimum deals to fill out that roster. That brings it to $84M. The luxtax limit will probably be around $68M. So Abe will also pay a $16M luxtax and lose out on $3M in the luxtax payout. So effectively, that roster is costing Abe $103M. That's a lot to ask an owner to spend in an era when most other owners are paying $65-68M.

Actually, I assume we'd trade Caron instead (to get Bosh). And then eventually trade AJ a couple years down the line. I was just doing a best case. But, yeah I assume that we dump Stevenson, Song, James and Etan if we trade for Bosh and Hinrich. And I said if they believe that will win a championship, that's what it costs. Unless you are the Spurs, you have about zero shot to win a championship without spending lots of money. If Abe thinks he can win one on the cheap, without Tim Duncan, he will never win one. Those spending 65-68 milli have zippy shot at a championship. And with a championship comes lots of money -- for half a decade at least.

But, yeah ok back to draft talk.

[doclinkin]

Oh speaking of Jack McClinton comparisons what about Eddie House, an undersized non PG who runs the point at times and comes off the bench firing jumpshots with an ultra quick release. I see McClinton being able to slash a bit better though.

Good comparison. That's what I see too. And tell you what, in the second round? I'd be damn happy to pick up a quicker (and more accurate) Eddie House to play off the bench. (If we were keeping the pick... and had an extra roster slot...).

[doclinkin]

Just out of curiosity, what would your team be looking for to move the pick? I remember a while ago a realgm wiretap that said something about you guys possibly moving it, but I forget for what.

Any chance the Raptors have what it might take to get it done? We have some possible good assets like Bosh, Calderon, our 1st, possible S+T with Marion etc..

I could see Colangelo trying to take a run at Rubio possibly.

I don't see Rubio in Colangelo's mind while Calderon is on the squad. But we'd definitely be willing to deal any pick after #1. This team would love a deal that lands them a re-signed Bosh. Assets under discussion would be the pick, Antawn Jamison, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, McGuire, Stevenson, Songaila, Crittenton, Pecherov as a throw-in, the expiring contracts of Etan Thomas and Mike Jones. Mix and match. Or find a third party.

Filpflopping picks is an option. Calderon is probably not a top interest, though I like the guy a ton.

The Wiz would like an offense/defense upgrade for Jamison in the front court who plays well next to Gilbert (ranged shot, face-up, rebounding, low-post capable, able to play well off the ball, low-ego, unselfish, smart, good teammate-- Bosh is an ideal fit for all of the above). Jamison plus better defense.

The Wiz need a defensive veteran two guard with a catch-and shoot outside game and decent handle. DeShawn Stevenson plus a handle, length, game. We need a back-up PG who can shoot. Crittenton with a jumpshot. Could be JCritt pans out.

We also need to dump salary if we're not in contention. And it would be nice to prune the roster with 2-for1 upgrades to create roster space and flexibility.

We won't trade the #1 overall if we're blessed by the baskitbawl gawds and land the pick. We'd love a second chance to make-up for our last #1 overall selection. But don't see anyone we need that high after big Blake. Though if James Harden were a couple notches more athletic/defensively dominant we'd be all over that like white on, um, Canada.

[doclinkin]

The recent WireTap nugget about Griffin breaking the Big 12 single season rebound mark caught my eye -- because of whose record Griff broke: Drew Gooden. I'm not saying that they're the same player by any stretch, but it does give me some pause about the praise that's being heaped upon Griffin. Drew's a fine player, but Griffin would need to be far, far better to justify the #1 pick.

Quick, you're on the playground eating a sandwich someone taps you on the back and says "Gimme your twinkie or I'm a beat your ass"-- When you turn around, would you rather see Drew Gooden or Blake Griffin looming over you?

[Ruzious]

The recent WireTap nugget about Griffin breaking the Big 12 single season rebound mark caught my eye -- because of whose record Griff broke: Drew Gooden. I'm not saying that they're the same player by any stretch, but it does give me some pause about the praise that's being heaped upon Griffin. Drew's a fine player, but Griffin would need to be far, far better to justify the #1 pick.

Quick, you're on the playground eating a sandwich someone taps you on the back and says "Gimme your twinkie or I'm a beat your ass"-- When you turn around, would you rather see Drew Gooden or Blake Griffin looming over you?

Gooden - unless he's still got that beard. That was one ugly beard. But yeah, why downgrade someone for breaking the Big 12 rebounding record?

I'd just be happy it wasn't Kevin Duckworth - He'd want the rest of my sandwich, too.

[closg00]

Re: Curry

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. (AP)—Antwaine Wiggins didn’t score a single point on Sunday night during College of Charleston’s 59-52 win over top-seeded Davidson in the Southern Conference tournament semifinals, but he lived up to his nickname.

“That’s the Curry stopper,” teammate Tony White Jr. said.

The 6-foot-7 Wiggins helped force Wildcats star guard Stephen Curry into a 5-of-18 shooting night, including 2-for-11 from 3-point range. The nation’s leading scorer still led Davidson with 20 points

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I guess this is why it's hard to peg when Curry might be drafted. When he faces lock-down defenders, he doesn't appear to be able to create or get to the line as-much. However, facing defensively challenged teams like the Wizards, Curry is an automatic double-figure machine.

[Rafael122]

Yes, I hate to toot my own horn, but toot toot. I have repeatedly said, and its fallen on deaf ears that a) Curry is not a lottery pick and b) he'll struggle at the next level b/c he doesn't have a true position, and he's going to get abused by quicker, and more athletic defenders. If he's having trouble at the college level against borderline D-1 teams, what's it going to be like in the NBA?

[Severn Hoos]

Is this the tooting section? Can I join in?

About two months ago, nate asked if there was a Doug Christie-type player in this year's draft. I said I didn't think there was one (stat-stuffing, physical defender, good size for SG/SF, but quick enough to guard PGs, and a distributor - tall order!). Gerald Henderson has come a long way (I think I heard Vitale say he had made the most progress of any player in the country from the start of the season to today, and I'm inclined to agree).

I mentioned three guys for "the future" - i.e., I didn't think they'd even consider declaring this year: Evan Turner from Ohio State, Devin Ebanks from WVU, and James Anderson from Oklahoma State.

Since then Evan Turner has played very well and garnered a good amount of publicity - including some followers here on this board. It may be enough for him to test the waters this year - he'd be a very nice pickup, in a trade-down scenario, or dealing to add another 1st rounder.

Devin Ebanks has put up double-doubles in 5 of his past 7 games. I'd say he's too raw to make the jump, I hope someone doesn't seduce him with the promise of a 1st round pick, because I think he'd be disappointed. Also - he's really a SF, I don't think he could play SG based on what he's shown so far (in fact, he'd have to improve his outside shot to even get minutes at SF). But he's a good defender, long and athletic, and he should be a good player in the NBA.

But the one that has me intrigued is Anderson. In the finale against Oklahoma Saturday, he had 37 points. Didn't do too much else in that game, but he averages almost 6 rebounds, along with 49%/43%/84% shooting. Good size at 6'6, 205. Down the road, he could be redundant with Nick Young, but if Young is involved in any deals (to free cap space, perhaps?), JA would be a nice pick in next year's draft. I'll be watching him.


Oh, and Raf - I share your concerns about Curry. In fact, it was Ebanks' WVU team that shut him down for 36 minutes that first gave me pause in projecting him to the NBA level. He'll be a very nice sub, instant-offense, solid distributor type of player. But I'm leaning more toward specialist vs. star in the NBA. Of course, those last 4 minutes against WVU were something special. So when I say "specialist" - I mean that I think he will be capable of doing some incredible things in spurts - just not day-in, day-out as a star carrying his team.

[Dat2U]

I don't think anyone is calling Curry a future #1 option on the NBA level. I never believed that, but I still think he'll be a very good player for an NBA team. Contrary to Raf's opinion, I think Curry does have a true position, its PG. His court vision is excellent but playing with subpar talent has taken its toll. It allows all the defenses to key on stopping him and with no other real shot makers on that team, its tough to rack up the assists or create quality shots with all five opposing defenders shading towards his side.

As a trade down option in the 7th pick/8th pick range, I still think he'd be a great pickup. That's pretty much where I've been on him all along.

[Ruzious]

I don't think anyone is calling Curry a future #1 option on the NBA level. I never believed that, but I still think he'll be a very good player for an NBA team. Contrary to Raf's opinion, I think Curry does have a true position, its PG. His court vision is excellent but playing with subpar talent has taken its toll. It allows all the defenses to key on stopping him and with no other real shot makers on that team, its tough to rack up the assists or create quality shots with all five opposing defenders shading towards his side.

As a trade down option in the 7th pick/8th pick range, I still think he'd be a great pickup. That's pretty much where I've been on him all along.

Not to get bogged down again on Curry but... he should go in the mid to late teens. Looking at him like a scout - He can play some PG, but his ticket to the NBA sure ain't his PG skills. After a great start, his assist and to's the last 10 games are more indicitave of the player he is - 39 and 32. He's a PG like Iverson. What gets him to the NBA is his great shooting and good scoring - and the shooting percentages have gone down. That - I'll buy - is because defenses focus on him - but that should have helped his assists - if he was a true PG. And aside from his quick hands, he'll be a liability on D. If he gets in the perfect situation, he can start in the NBA, but his most likely role will be 3rd guard.

Devin Ebanks who? His name doesn't even ring a bell - and I watched a few WVU games last year. Anderson - I have been following - and he does sound impressive.