Bean Burrito / Nick Young Appreciation Thread.

[Hoopalotta]

Mike Lee had something on our Young offer:

Three high-ranking NBA executives said Young was seeking a contract starting around $9 million per season, while the Wizards were willing to give him something closer to the mid-level exception of $5 million, according to people with knowledge of the negotiations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

My only question is would it have been possible to sign Nick at slightly above the QO on a one year deal and then be able to trade him before the deadline? It's a pity that he's an expiring but we can't move him as I'd think a package of he and Turiaf for someone expiring after next year would have been worth something in a BOYD; I'm not sure if that's legal, though.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm hard pressed to believe there will be a worse team in the league than the Wizards, this year, Nick Young or no Nick Young.

I think Cleveland, Toronto and Minnesota will be worse. There probably will be one or two teams decimated by injuries. I could see Detroit being worse, but after that most teams seem quite a bit better.

Minnesota will almost certainly be better. Derrick Williams hit 3-4 threes in his rookie debut. Adelman insists he is a PF. Whatever he is, I believe he's going to be a superstar. Rubio looked good as well. That team will be much better than the Wizards.

Kyrie Irving went something like 10-11 FTs, had over 20 and passed for nice assists. Cleveland might be better. I think it is a toss up between them and the Wizards.

The one team I think will be as bad as the Wizards is Toronto.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Young for 1 year at the QO is certainly better than paying him $9M a year, but I really wish they could have worked out a 2 year $10M deal. The problem is that QO contracts can't be traded. He is no longer an asset.

Oh well. Not much EG could have done. If Young's agent was that out of touch with reality, what options did EG have?

Signing him for one season seems like it is signing a guy to be a bit discontented all season.

Young is a nice scorer but now you have to think he is not in the Wizards' future plans and he is also no longer a trade asset. I would have rather seen the Wizards not sign him at all. Young might try to shoot for contract numbers but won't get the FGAs and the Wizards won't get the wins, either. That will add to frustration both ways.

I don't see what is so good about losing Young next season as opposed to now. If you don't think a guy is worth much then let him go. Young should have waited and tried to force a sign&trade IMO.

[nate33]

Young for 1 year at the QO is certainly better than paying him $9M a year, but I really wish they could have worked out a 2 year $10M deal. The problem is that QO contracts can't be traded. He is no longer an asset.

Oh well. Not much EG could have done. If Young's agent was that out of touch with reality, what options did EG have?

Signing him for one season seems like it is signing a guy to be a bit discontented all season.

Young is a nice scorer but now you have to think he is not in the Wizards' future plans and he is also no longer a trade asset. I would have rather seen the Wizards not sign him at all. Young might try to shoot for contract numbers but won't get the FGAs and the Wizards won't get the wins, either. That will add to frustration both ways.

I don't see what is so good about losing Young next season as opposed to now. If you don't think a guy is worth much then let him go. Young should have waited and tried to force a sign&trade IMO.

There's still a chance we can resign him next summer. It depends how much others will offer. If EG is right and nobody will offer $8M+ next year, then Young might still sign here. The question is: how much animosity is there now between Young and management? Rationally speaking, there shouldn't be much because so far the market has proven EG to be right. Young isn't worth $9M a year.

[nate33]

Under the last CBA (and there's no reason to assume it will change), a player who signs the QO loses Bird Rights. As compensation, he gets the right to veto any trade (since, without Bird Rights, if he gets traded to a new team, they might be unable to resign him for big money).

Historically speaking, there have been 10 players who have taken the QO, all 10 players left after that year. Many of those 10 players probably left simply because their team couldn't afford to resign them under the cap. However, our situation is a bit different because of our massive cap room. We won't need Bird Rights to resign Young to a new contract.

[verbal8]

Under the last CBA (and there's no reason to assume it will change), a player who signs the QO loses Bird Rights. As compensation, he gets the right to veto any trade (since, without Bird Rights, if he gets traded to a new team, they might be unable to resign him for big money).

Historically speaking, there have been 10 players who have taken the QO, all 10 players left after that year. Many of those 10 players probably left simply because their team couldn't afford to resign them under the cap. However, our situation is a bit different because of our massive cap room. We won't need Bird Rights to resign Young to a new contract.

Assuming Young is willing to sign with the Wizards for a reasonable deal, I think it depends on what the Wizards get in the draft. If they get a big, then I think Young gets resigned. If the Wizards get a SG, then it would not make sense to re-sign Young.

[Zonkerbl]

So who else could we get for $9 mil?

[pancakes3]

he signs? he SIGNS! he really thinks he deserves 9 mil huh? only the QO?

[Nivek]

I think getting Young at the QO is pretty good. He'll be motivated because he's in a contract year again. He might be amenable to a trade, if something comes along. Especially if he thinks he might get paid at his new stop. And, losing Bird rights on him (I haven't read up on the CBA provisions here) doesn't matter because the Wizards will have so much cap space.

[leswizards]

See, I don't think Young adds wins. Or, at very least, he'll add as many losses as he adds wins. I think Young is significantly overrated by fans. I don't think he makes a difference.

Presumably, Nick Young will play about 36 mpg at SG, while Jordan Crawford will play about 12 mpg at SG and 12 mpg at PG. Had Young not resigned, presumably, Jordan Crawford would have played about 36 mpg at SG, Roger Mason would have played about 12 mpg at SG, and Sheldin Mack would have played about 12 MPG at PG.

While it might not make that much of a difference in the final record, I am pretty sure that the team with Nick Young will be more competitive (ie, far fewer blowouts) and entertaining to watch than they would have been without him.

[Nivek]

les: I don't think there's as much difference between Young's impact on games and the impacts of Crawford, Mason and possibly Mack. It'll be nice to have him around. I like watching him play when his shot is falling.

[GhostsOfGil]

i think the best thing about the ny signing is that it forces jcraw to the bench. jordan and wall can not coexhist.. its like watching an extremely homeless mans version of lebron and wade... if neither of them could shoot. i think a full time jcraw/wall backcourt would have really stunted walls development as a pg

[Hoopalotta]

For one brief, glorious moment....."Nick Young To Sign With Wizards For $3.7M Qualifying Offer". Wizards news. Front page of Realgm. Made it, Ma! Top of the world!

[montestewart]

For one brief, glorious moment....."Nick Young To Sign With Wizards For $3.7M Qualifying Offer". Wizards news. Front page of Realgm. Made it, Ma! Top of the world!

Just a few days ago they had one about Nick Young wanting $9 million a year. Now that's news!

[sashae]

I look forward to the end of the Nick Young era. A guard that can shoot but can't pass or rebound worth a lick... and he wants $9mil/year? Thank god for the lockout!

[Zonkerbl]

Looks like he wants to be paid the same as other two guards that score about 17 per?

[Ruzious]

I look forward to the end of the Nick Young era. A guard that can shoot but can't pass or rebound worth a lick... and he wants $9mil/year? Thank god for the lockout!

True, but most shooting guards don't do much passing and rebounding. I agree with ZAZ's point. Nicks' presence will make Wall's job a lot easier, and it'll put Crawford in a role that he's got a shot at handling. Crawford as the starting 2 would have been an absolute disaster, imo. Now, at least there's hope that the Wiz will be somewhat watchable this season - and that is a big deal to me.

[tontoz]

This was inevitable given their asking price. Nick is most likely a goner in the summer. Oh well

[TGW]

Looks like he wants to be paid the same as other two guards that score about 17 per?

Would Nick Young score 17 ppg on any other team but the Wizards? It's not that impressive, considering he's pretty much the 1b as far as scoring options on this team.

[daSwami]

Sensible deal for both sides.

Mason/CrawDaddy/Young - that's a lot of depth at the 2.