Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[nate33]

Here is a a trade that pretty much solves everything:

Washington sends Javale McGee, Jan Vesely, Nick Young to Dallas for Brendan Haywood, Brandan Wright, Roderick Beaubois.

Mavs can sign Howard. It gets three guys who can help the Wizards.

(I think the McGee hate allows this move backwards at C.)

Everybody loves Beaubois when he is healthy. The problem is that he never is.

Brandan Wright is a minimum salary player who has never played more than 700 minutes in a season. He has posted some decent stats in garbage time this year, but that's not enough for me to think he has any trade value. He'll be obtainable this summer for nothing if we want him.

Haywood is also likely to be available this summer if we want him.

Basically, you are giving away McGee, Vesely and Young for a constantly injured, undersized SG.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

nate, IMO yours was an emotional response coming from someone who is generally very logical and rational, I'm surprised.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hbr03.html
Wright has a PER of 20.9 this season and a WS/48 of .212. He's way better than a minimum salary player. His career PER is 18 and he's 24 years old. Get him for nothing when he's under contract 2 years? How?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... bro01.html
Beaubois is an undersized SG, but one who can play with Wall. Swing for the fence on him staying healthy, as he is now. He just turned 24 last week--he's three years younger than Nick Young. He's under contract for years, too, nate.

I'm not giving away McGee, Vesely, and Young when two of them are free agents who the Wizards very likely are not resigning, any way. I'm getting back a proven, veteran, defensive anchor at C and two prospects who are good role players.

I am not crazy about this at all, but the Wizards have put themselves in the position of having drafted a dude at 6 who cannot play that well. They're invested in guys the interim coach has benched. I would much rather see the Wizards let Young and McGee SUCCEED elsewhere than what is going to happen--continue to fail in DC or go for nothing.

Washington isn't going to get Hibbert as a FA. Roy would be stupid to leave Indiana to take a step backwards. What free agent wants to come to DC? Maybe they can pay Ilyasova big money. Same with Anderson. MAYBE.

Washington can just get Haywood back and use their second round pick on a guy like Festus Ezeli or Fab Melo. Maybe Withey will drop. They've got Seraphin to platoon with Brendan. C will be much better defensively. They never pass to the bigs, any way.

For now, the best bet is keep upgrading talent around Wall. This does that.

[sashae]

nate, IMO yours was an emotional response coming from someone who is generally very logical and rational, I'm surprised.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hbr03.html
Wright has a PER of 20.9 this season and a WS/48 of .212. He's way better than a minimum salary player. His career PER is 18 and he's 24 years old. Get him for nothing when he's under contract 2 years? How?

He's playing 13 minutes a game. He's never played more than 17mpg, and he's in his 4th year in the league.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... bro01.html
Beaubois is an undersized SG, but one who can play with Wall. Swing for the fence on him staying healthy, as he is now. He just turned 24 last week--he's three years younger than Nick Young. He's under contract for years, too, nate.

He's averaging 19mpg, and is healthy this year for the first time in his career. He's never demonstrably shown skills over a long period of time -- and he's 6'0, 170! Why would you play a guy smaller than Wall, with Wall? He's too small to guard PGs, much less SGs.

You also failed to note the inclusion of the corpse of Brendan Todd Haywood in the deal, who's under contract through the 15-16 season at $9mil+ per year! That's insanity!

EVERYONE wants to dump the players you're listings (well, most folks) but come on, let's not make the situation worse than it is. Realistically, Vesely is not going to get traded either -- I believe only two rookie lottery picks have been traded in-season before (meaning not flipped like Jamison/Carter at the draft) so it's just unrealistic to expect him to go, as much as you hate his game.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

nate, IMO yours was an emotional response coming from someone who is generally very logical and rational, I'm surprised.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hbr03.html
Wright has a PER of 20.9 this season and a WS/48 of .212. He's way better than a minimum salary player. His career PER is 18 and he's 24 years old. Get him for nothing when he's under contract 2 years? How?

He's playing 13 minutes a game. He's never played more than 17mpg, and he's in his 4th year in the league.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... bro01.html
Beaubois is an undersized SG, but one who can play with Wall. Swing for the fence on him staying healthy, as he is now. He just turned 24 last week--he's three years younger than Nick Young. He's under contract for years, too, nate.

He's averaging 19mpg, and is healthy this year for the first time in his career. He's never demonstrably shown skills over a long period of time -- and he's 6'0, 170! Why would you play a guy smaller than Wall, with Wall? He's too small to guard PGs, much less SGs.

sashae, I've watched Beaubois play. The guy is tenacious. He blocks shots of much taller players. He's 1.5 inches shorter than Wall but his wingspan is 1.5 inches longer than Wall's. Beaubois is combo guard who can certainly play with Wail. (Check DX for his predraft measurements.)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rod ... bois-1298/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/John-Wall-1339/

Also, wiki, if you don't believe them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigue_Beaubois

Prior to the NBA Draft, Beaubois caught the attention of scouts at the NBA Draft Combine with his measurements, boasting a 6' 9.75" wingspan (which is extraordinarily long, given his height) and 39" vertical leap.[3] He was selected 25th overall in the 2009 NBA Draft by the Oklahoma City Thunder, who traded him, along with a future 2nd round draft pick, to the Dallas Mavericks for B. J. Mullens, the 24th overall pick in the 2009 NBA Draft.

The main thing about Beaubois, is the guy's capable of dropping 40 on any given night. I think he's potentially a very good spark off the bench, and not a jacker like Crawford.

You also failed to note the inclusion of the corpse of Brendan Todd Haywood in the deal, who's under contract through the 15-16 season at $9mil+ per year! That's insanity!

EVERYONE wants to dump the players you're listings (well, most folks) but come on, let's not make the situation worse than it is. Realistically, Vesely is not going to get traded either -- I believe only two rookie lottery picks have been traded in-season before (meaning not flipped like Jamison/Carter at the draft) so it's just unrealistic to expect him to go, as much as you hate his game.

Everyone wants to dump the players and Dallas wants to dump salary. I don't hate Jan Vesely at all. He was drafted way too high, that is all.

Haywood's contract sucks, but it is about what the Wizards should have offered McGee, if they wanted a starting C at the going rate.

[nate33]

nate, IMO yours was an emotional response coming from someone who is generally very logical and rational, I'm surprised.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... hbr03.html
Wright has a PER of 20.9 this season and a WS/48 of .212. He's way better than a minimum salary player. His career PER is 18 and he's 24 years old. Get him for nothing when he's under contract 2 years? How?

He IS a minimum salary player. Dallas signed him to a 2-year minimum salary contract in July of 2010. His contract is up this summer. So he is an unrestricted free agent and therefore available (particularly if Dallas is clearing salary for a run at Howard).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaubro01.html
Beaubois is an undersized SG, but one who can play with Wall. Swing for the fence on him staying healthy, as he is now. He just turned 24 last week--he's three years younger than Nick Young. He's under contract for years, too, nate.

If by "years" you mean one more year after this one, then you are correct. Beaubois' contract expires in 2013. He is a restricted free agent though, so it's a little better than just having a guy on a one year rental.

As I said before, I like Beaubois when healthy. He just rarely stays healthy. That's a huge red flag for an undersized player who relies on athleticism. I honestly think he is already at his peak and will only decline with age as the injuries accumulate. I'd still like to have a guy like that on this team if the cost was right, but giving up Vesely and McGee is way too much. I'd much rather take my chances that Vesely bulks up, or at least improves to the point where his trade value is higher than it is now. [/quote]

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I looked at the years on the ESPN Trade Machine.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7yqev3g

Technically, there is a team option on year two for Wright.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/i ... dan-wright

DALLAS -- After quickly losing two key free agents off the championship roster, the Dallas Mavericks on Friday completed a low-key signing of former lottery pick Brandan Wright to a one-year deal worth around $1 million with a team option for a second year.

If Washington acquired Wright and Beaubois, they would have Beaubois through 2013, and they would have the option on Wright.

[Dat2U]

Wright's sample size this year is real small and much of it is in garbage time. And I don't quite buy the numbers, considering his career. There was a reason he just got $1 mil in free agency.

Might be a good under the radar pick up but I think he can be had for much less.

Beabouis is meh. Nice spark plug, but honestly he's been more of a tease than anything.

And Haywood will likely be much cheaper to sign this summer once he's amnestied by Dallas.

I think we can do better than trading McGee & Ves for a pair of lower tier injury prone prospects and a bad contract.

[gesa2]

Golden State is desperate for a big man and it would take a good one for the Warriors to part with either guard. They did in fact call New Jersey back in December to inform the Nets that they would be willing to participate in a three-team trade with Orlando, whereby the Warriors would send Ellis to Orlando in exchange for Brook Lopez, according to sources.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... ndo-traded

I still dream that Golden State will be willing to gamble on McGee's youth and potential enough to give us Curry for him and sweetener, or Curry/Biedrins for McGee and Blatche.

[llcc25]

how bout McGee for Dorell Wright?
We'd get a nice shooting SF who would complement Wall on the wing and he's only signed for next year at $4m. And he'd me nice consolation in case we missed out on Batum this summer. But imagine if were able to land Batum this summer also and went hard after the top blue chip FA center available (Hibbert, Monroe, Lopez) or stopgap like Haywood and coupled with our PF lotto pick (davis, sully, robinson). That potential lineup would be sick athletic and long esp since Batum could play SG:

PG-Wall/Mack
SG-Batum/Crawford
SF-Wright/Singleton
PF-Lotto pick/Booker
C-blue chip FA or stopgap C/Zeller/Seraphin

I'm assuming that we amnesty Lewis and can somehow trade Veseley/Young/Blatche to net a mid 1st rounder to draft a C like Zeller.

[Dat2U]

how bout McGee for Dorell Wright?
We'd get a nice shooting SF who would complement Wall on the wing and he's only signed for next year at $4m. And he'd me nice consolation in case we missed out on Batum this summer. But imagine if were able to land Batum this summer also and went hard after the top blue chip FA center available (Hibbert, Monroe, Lopez) or stopgap like Haywood and coupled with our PF lotto pick (davis, sully, robinson). That potential lineup would be sick athletic and long esp since Batum could play SG:

PG-Wall/Mack
SG-Batum/Crawford
SF-Wright/Singleton
PF-Lotto pick/Booker
C-blue chip FA or stopgap C/Zeller/Seraphin

I'm assuming that we amnesty Lewis and can somehow trade Veseley/Young/Blatche to net a mid 1st rounder to draft a C like Zeller.

I don't mind Dorrell Wright. But I'd be hard pressed to say he's an answer at SF. A low end starter type at best. I'd just want more. I agree with CCJ that the McGee hate is overboard. I have absolutely no problem with the idea of moving him, but trades for marginal players like this don't really accomplish the end goal IMO.

[NW]

Golden State is desperate for a big man and it would take a good one for the Warriors to part with either guard. They did in fact call New Jersey back in December to inform the Nets that they would be willing to participate in a three-team trade with Orlando, whereby the Warriors would send Ellis to Orlando in exchange for Brook Lopez, according to sources.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... ndo-traded

I still dream that Golden State will be willing to gamble on McGee's youth and potential enough to give us Curry for him and sweetener, or Curry/Biedrins for McGee and Blatche.

Ellis maybe, not Curry. That just causes another hole to fill one. Warriors like McGee and his reported desire to relocate to California is a plus. The issue there is GS is looking at around 10 mil in cap room. If they doubt the Wiz's resolve to keep him (doesn't look great with the recent benchings) better off making him an offer in the summer and hold on to your assets.

[NW]

how bout McGee for Dorell Wright?
We'd get a nice shooting SF who would complement Wall on the wing and he's only signed for next year at $4m. And he'd me nice consolation in case we missed out on Batum this summer. But imagine if were able to land Batum this summer also and went hard after the top blue chip FA center available (Hibbert, Monroe, Lopez) or stopgap like Haywood and coupled with our PF lotto pick (davis, sully, robinson). That potential lineup would be sick athletic and long esp since Batum could play SG:

PG-Wall/Mack
SG-Batum/Crawford
SF-Wright/Singleton
PF-Lotto pick/Booker
C-blue chip FA or stopgap C/Zeller/Seraphin

I'm assuming that we amnesty Lewis and can somehow trade Veseley/Young/Blatche to net a mid 1st rounder to draft a C like Zeller.

lol, where do we sign? I imagine the cost will be a bit more. Still interested to see what Orlando could add in a 3-way as they're desperate for Monta

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wright's sample size this year is real small and much of it is in garbage time. And I don't quite buy the numbers, considering his career. There was a reason he just got $1 mil in free agency.

Might be a good under the radar pick up but I think he can be had for much less.

Beabouis is meh. Nice spark plug, but honestly he's been more of a tease than anything.

And Haywood will likely be much cheaper to sign this summer once he's amnestied by Dallas.

I think we can do better than trading McGee & Ves for a pair of lower tier injury prone prospects and a bad contract.

Fair enough and a really decent response, Dat. Thanks.

I think the master deal moves McGee, Ves, and Blatche. Package up potential, Bird rights, and sloth for something tangible in return.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How about this deal?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=75wakow

Washington sends Javale McGee, Jan Vesley, Andray Blatche to Portland for Gerald Wallace, Kurt Thomas, Luke Babbitt and a POR 2013 1st round pick.

This gives the Blazers cap room to sign Batum, as well as loading their front court with young talent to put around Aldridge. Washington moves Blatche and gets a 1st for sending their lotto miss along with Javale's Bird rights.

Washington can grab either Zeller or Moultrie with the mid-first. Damian Lillard, Terrence Ross, Tony Wroten Jr., Jeffrey Taylor, and Will Barton make sense, too. A guy like Perry Jones might slip to mid-first as well IMO.

[pcbothwel]

I posted this trade on the GSW board and they liked it(they actually thought we got a good deal). I know this seems like under selling, but I think Redick would be solid roational player next to Wall and Biedris provides us with a 25 year old C that can rebound at the least. Plus his 9 Mil salary expires after next year( The last year is not fully guaranteed I believe).
Last but not least we get the perfect PF for Wall in Anderson. I think ORL is desperate for Ellis and they need a 3rd team to give up some young talented C (We're 1 of 3 teams that can do that). I believe this is the worst deal we could get and think that their is room for improvement to be negotiated. Thoughts?

GSW In: McGee, Duhon, J-Rich, Turiaf, Was 2nd
OUT: Ellis, Beans

ORL In: Ellis, Blatche
OUT: Ryan Anderson, Reddick, Duhon, Richardson

WAS In: JJ Reddick, Ryan Anderson, Beans, Orl 1st
OUT: Blatche, McGee, Turiaf, Was 2nd

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I posted this trade on the GSW board and they liked it(they actually thought we got a good deal). I know this seems like under selling, but I think Redick would be solid roational player next to Wall and Biedris provides us with a 25 year old C that can rebound at the least. Plus his 9 Mil salary expires after next year( The last year is not fully guaranteed I believe).
Last but not least we get the perfect PF for Wall in Anderson. I think ORL is desperate for Ellis and they need a 3rd team to give up some young talented C (We're 1 of 3 teams that can do that). I believe this is the worst deal we could get and think that their is room for improvement to be negotiated. Thoughts?

GSW In: McGee, Duhon, J-Rich, Turiaf, Was 2nd
OUT: Ellis, Beans

ORL In: Ellis, Blatche
OUT: Ryan Anderson, Reddick, Duhon, Richardson

WAS In: JJ Reddick, Ryan Anderson, Beans, Orl 1st
OUT: Blatche, McGee, Turiaf, Was 2nd

Three white players and a first ???? DEAL!

Politically incorrect or not, I'm sure the Wizards would never be called knuckleheads again!

In all seriousness, the team would get shooters, rebounding, and a pick. That is really good for what the Wizards give. I like this better than any deal I've come up with, pcbothwel.

[llcc25]

how bout McGee for Dorell Wright?
We'd get a nice shooting SF who would complement Wall on the wing and he's only signed for next year at $4m. And he'd me nice consolation in case we missed out on Batum this summer. But imagine if were able to land Batum this summer also and went hard after the top blue chip FA center available (Hibbert, Monroe, Lopez) or stopgap like Haywood and coupled with our PF lotto pick (davis, sully, robinson). That potential lineup would be sick athletic and long esp since Batum could play SG:

PG-Wall/Mack
SG-Batum/Crawford
SF-Wright/Singleton
PF-Lotto pick/Booker
C-blue chip FA or stopgap C/Zeller/Seraphin

I'm assuming that we amnesty Lewis and can somehow trade Veseley/Young/Blatche to net a mid 1st rounder to draft a C like Zeller.

I don't mind Dorrell Wright. But I'd be hard pressed to say he's an answer at SF. A low end starter type at best. I'd just want more. I agree with CCJ that the McGee hate is overboard. I have absolutely no problem with the idea of moving him, but trades for marginal players like this don't really accomplish the end goal IMO.

He's a better answer than Singleton or Vesely at SF at this point and IMO a better fit with Wall. And lets be real, what more do you think we can honestly get for McGee right now? I don't think we can even get a mid first rounder. I think to view otherwise would be overvaluing McGee IMO. At least Wright comes cheap and is an upgrade at SF. I've seen enough Wiz box scores this season where our SF production has been 0 points and Wright atleast will improve that.

[pcbothwel]

[quote="Chocolate City JordanaireThree white players and a first ???? DEAL!

Politically incorrect or not, I'm sure the Wizards would never be called knuckleheads again!

In all seriousness, the team would get shooters, rebounding, and a pick. That is really good for what the Wizards give. I like this better than any deal I've come up with, pcbothwel.[/quote]

Some of the comments from the Warriors board were:
"I'd be surprised if Washington would do that, but I like where you're headed."
"McGee may be the best shot we have at a bonafide Center who's reasonably priced. I like him much more than I do a lot of these overpriced guys who can't rebound and defend the paint. I'd take a risk on a guy like him"

I think Biedris could be a serviceable player if he gets a chance to run up the floor with Wall instead of Mark Jackson's slow, grinding offense. This also allows us to get rid of Blatche and amnesty Lewis.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

pass first, on the Trade Board helped me revise this Dallas/Washington/Golden State trade idea:

Dallas sends Brendan Haywood, 2012 1st round pick
Dallas receives Kwame Brown, 2nd round pick(DAL from Washington)

Dallas dumps Haywood's contract by swapping the first for the second rounder they previously gave Washington.

Washington sends Javale McGee, Jan Vesely, 2nd round pick
Washington receives 1st round pick (GS), 1st round pick (DAL), Brendan Haywood

Washington gains a first and doesn't overpay for McGee. Vesely's contract balances salaries. Another 1st is exchanged so Washington doesn't lose Jan for nothing. (Players in this draft like Terrence Ross, Arnett Moultrie, Tyler or Cody Zeller, John Jenkins, Damian Lilard, Jeffrey Taylor, Tony Wroten Jr., Terrence Jones, Quincy Miller, etc. should be available in mid round one.)

Golden State sends Kwame Brown, 2014 1st round pick (lottery protected)
Golden State receives Javale McGee and Jan Vesely

Golden State is interested in McGee. This gives them their target C and another lottery talent.

Thoughts?

[rl25g]

CCJ,

Portland can't trade their pick this year (you said 2013 pick but mentioned drafting Zeller)

Dallas has already traded their pick to LAL this year.

and

GS pick is already top 7 protected and owed to Jazz. As of now they are trading their pick, and even if they finish in the bottom 7 im not sure if they can trade it

OTOH out of all the Haywood trades this is the one i like most. His contract is terrible but we get two 1sts and jettison two players who just dont seem to fit.

I like that trade all around, I just dont think the picks would work out.