Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part III

[gambitx777]

They only thing that is keeping us from trading the pick is the fact that the team does not want to take on a ton of money this year and next years draft is going to be mad deep. so i see the 2015 pick maybe getting moved between not and then. If anything i see NENE getting moved, BUT this is the draft thread so.

I to love james enis in the second round i think he could be a major steal!

[Dark Faze]

I just can't even imagine a player that's available that would be worth trading the pick for though. It would have to be for a big, because guard help is widely available via free agency these days. The only thing I can imagine is moving some pieces to land Granger, but other than that I don't see anyone that's really available.

Maybe some bizarre sign and trade for Josh Smith.

[nate33]

I just can't even imagine a player that's available that would be worth trading the pick for though. It would have to be for a big, because guard help is widely available via free agency these days. The only thing I can imagine is moving some pieces to land Granger, but other than that I don't see anyone that's really available.

Maybe some bizarre sign and trade for Josh Smith.

Trading a lotto pick for a free agent is an extremely bad idea. It's always bad to be on the receiving end of a S&T unless it's for a disgruntled superstar who is a bargain at a max contract.

The only players I can think of that might conceivably be available for #8 pick whom I would want are Ryan Anderson and Ersan Ilyasova. I think a #8 is a modest overpayment for these guys, but they would help our offense dramatically and they're both young and signed long term to reasonable contracts. Also, both play for teams that are in some stage of a rebuild and have young PF's on the roster to replace them.

[nate33]

Let's assume the first 7 picks go in the order that nbadraft.net has them:

1. McLemore
2. Noel
3. Porter
4. Bennett
5. Burke
6. Len
7. Oladipo.

That would suck. Those are the top 7 guys on my board (though not necessarily in that order). We'd be choosing among Zeller, Olynyck and Shabazz. Yuck. I guess I'd go with Zeller, but I'd definitely shop the pick first.

Man, I really hope somebody above us falls in love with Zeller or Shabazz, so at least we end up with Len or Oladipo.

[jivelikenice]

I just can't even imagine a player that's available that would be worth trading the pick for though. It would have to be for a big, because guard help is widely available via free agency these days. The only thing I can imagine is moving some pieces to land Granger, but other than that I don't see anyone that's really available.

Maybe some bizarre sign and trade for Josh Smith.

I was thinking the same. Maybe Ernie begins his pursuit anew for Josh Smith. The question would be what would Atlanta require to help fascilitate a S&T and absorb salary for a year. I doubt they value any of our young bigs enough so at that point we'd have to give up a a future pick or give up the rights to our pick this year. Its tougher with the draft comign before FA, but maybe you reach out to ATL, and say "if we were to structure a S&T around J Smith, which players in this draft would entice you"...Have them provide a small pool out of which we take one that we'd be willing to keep if Josh doesn't come here. Tough scenario, but we all know agents and FO personel talk all the time and they can figure out if Josh is interested through the appropriate backchannels.

[Benjammin]

(The scenario nate posted):
That would be bad. Hopefully in that case the Ilyasova/Anderson option might be available and go that route, although I kind of doubt either of those teams would be that excited about it.

I'm having a hard time seeing Oladipo play a lot at the 3, even with his long arms. There are rumors he'll measure under 6-5 in shoes. So from a value standpoint he's a good pick, from a fit standpoint not so much.

[jivelikenice]

Unless we move up in the draft, is trading the pick for Smith really that bad given that we might be picking between Zeller and Shabazz? Maybe we get Devin Harris to agree also and have him be part of the S&T too. He addresses the third guard need....

[pancakes3]

I think Josh Smith will be overpaid and a less-than-optimal fit on offense. I would much rather take in Ilyasova or Anderson at the lower contract at the expense of defense.

[nate33]

Unless we move up in the draft, is trading the pick for Smith really that bad given that we might be picking between Zeller and Shabazz? Maybe we get Devin Harris to agree also and have him be part of the S&T too. He addresses the third guard need....

Yes. It would be a real bad idea.

Signing a free agent, by definition, means that you are paying full market value. Indeed, he'll probably cost more than full market value because Smith would have to be certain that the S&T offer is better than what he is likely to get on the open market. If you add a guy at full market value, then he doesn't really have positive trade value. He merely has neutral value (and is likely to be worth no more than an expiring contract). You don't sacrifice a lottery pick to get a guy who has neutral trade value.

I'd trade a lotto pick for a guy like Josh Smith signed to a $6M a year contract. Unfortunately, he's likely to cost double that. I wouldn't trade a lotto pick for such a contract.

There's also the issue of Josh Smith being the wrong type of player for our team. If we're going to pay $12+ for a PF, he better be able to shoot. Smith can't. Smith's biggest asset on offense is his ability to create off the bounce, an ability that is still far inferior to Wall's ability to do so, so it won't be something we use in our offensive system.

[jivelikenice]

After watching the playoffs this weekend, I think the need for a pure stretch 4 while there, is exxagerated. Who in our frontcourt is capable of creating their own shot? Anyone? In the playoffs the closeouts are tougher and the drivnig lanes close up a lot quicker of the pump fake and drive. An Ilyasova or Anderson type will have a bigger impact in the regular season. We need someone in the frontcourt who can create their own shot, especially when so much of our offense is predicated on Wall creating open looks for others.....

Edit...The ONE player who fits the bill and can do both is K Love and unfortunately we don't have the ammo to make a real offer for him. I'd offer this year's 1 (we draft for them), 2014 unprotected, a 2016 #1, Seraphin, Satoransky, plus anything else they want outside of Wall and Beal and we still would get laughed off the phone.

[DCsOwn]

Let's assume the first 7 picks go in the order that nbadraft.net has them:

1. McLemore
2. Noel
3. Porter
4. Bennett
5. Burke
6. Len
7. Oladipo.

That would suck. Those are the top 7 guys on my board (though not necessarily in that order). We'd be choosing among Zeller, Olynyck and Shabazz. Yuck. I guess I'd go with Zeller, but I'd definitely shop the pick first.

Man, I really hope somebody above us falls in love with Zeller or Shabazz, so at least we end up with Len or Oladipo.

I'd take Shabazz in that scenario without question. A Wall/Beal/Muhammad trio is a very solid foundation IMO, even if Muhammad is very clearly the third most talented guy in the trio.

It's really early in the process though, and we're likely to see plenty of risers and fallers between now and the week preceding the draft, so I'm not overly concerned about any projections floating around atm.

[nate33]

After watching the playoffs this weekend, I think the need for a pure stretch 4 while there, is exxagerated. Who in our frontcourt is capable of creating their own shot? Anyone? In the playoffs the closeouts are tougher and the drivnig lanes close up a lot quicker of the pump fake and drive. An Ilyasova or Anderson type will have a bigger impact in the regular season. We need someone in the frontcourt who can create their own shot, especially when so much of our offense is predicated on Wall creating open looks for others.....

Edit...The ONE player who fits the bill and can do both is K Love and unfortunately we don't have the ammo to make a real offer for him. I'd offer this year's 1 (we draft for them), 2014 unprotected, a 2016 #1, Seraphin, Satoransky, plus anything else they want outside of Wall and Beal and we still would get laughed off the phone.

Nene can create his own shot very nicely when healthy.

[Dark Faze]

Nene can create his own shot in a myriad of ways.

We really don't need a stretch 4. What we need is a great bench as security for our starters going out. When the starters are on the floor we've proven we can be an above .500 ball club. When certain guys go out we can't even compete though.

Kind of why I wanted Olynyk. Good third big who will produce as a backup and be there to cover for either Nene or Okafor if one of them is out. Guards are cheap in FA now. We don't need quite as much help at SF if we keep Ariza.

Realistically our biggest needs are a PF/C and someone to replace Price.

[pancakes3]

After watching the playoffs this weekend, I think the need for a pure stretch 4 while there, is exxagerated. Who in our frontcourt is capable of creating their own shot? Anyone? In the playoffs the closeouts are tougher and the drivnig lanes close up a lot quicker of the pump fake and drive.

Not sure if I follow your logic. You say the defenses get packed in tighter in the playoffs so we need to counteract that by finding someone who operates exclusively in those packed defenses?

[jivelikenice]

After watching the playoffs this weekend, I think the need for a pure stretch 4 while there, is exxagerated. Who in our frontcourt is capable of creating their own shot? Anyone? In the playoffs the closeouts are tougher and the drivnig lanes close up a lot quicker of the pump fake and drive.

Not sure if I follow your logic. You say the defenses get packed in tighter in the playoffs so we need to counteract that by finding someone who operates exclusively in those packed defenses?

What I'm saying is having a stretch 4 is fine, but the closeouts will be harder in the postseason. And if they try to fake and drive, the lanes will close more quickly. Its too bad Ilyasova isn't 100%, because I wanted to see how effective he'd be in the playoffs. Who in the frontcourt can be relied upon to create their own offense? Martell is incapable of that at the 3. Do we want a similar player at the 4? My basic point is we need someone in the frontcourt who can create their own offense at times. Nene should be that guy, but you can't plan dependent on him w/ his injury troubles. Bennet could be that guy, but I don't think he'll be there when we pick and would they even take a freshman?

[jivelikenice]

After watching the playoffs this weekend, I think the need for a pure stretch 4 while there, is exxagerated. Who in our frontcourt is capable of creating their own shot? Anyone? In the playoffs the closeouts are tougher and the drivnig lanes close up a lot quicker of the pump fake and drive. An Ilyasova or Anderson type will have a bigger impact in the regular season. We need someone in the frontcourt who can create their own shot, especially when so much of our offense is predicated on Wall creating open looks for others.....

Edit...The ONE player who fits the bill and can do both is K Love and unfortunately we don't have the ammo to make a real offer for him. I'd offer this year's 1 (we draft for them), 2014 unprotected, a 2016 #1, Seraphin, Satoransky, plus anything else they want outside of Wall and Beal and we still would get laughed off the phone.

Nene can create his own shot very nicely when healthy.

No doubt, but can you rely on him being healthy? Either way you need to get someone in the pipeline who eventually can be that front court piece who can create their own shot.

[Knighthonor]

Wizards need a young talent Big that can drive and shoot. Aka Nene Jr.
But if he had a block too....
Man I want Noel!!!! oh well....
How can the Wizards get somebody with that kind of talent in the draft without giving up 2014 first round pick?

[MikeTheKid]

How about Ryan Kelly in the 2nd round as a stretch 4 for us??? I don't remember if we talked about it already. I know his interior defense was terrible and he cant rebound but he can shoot

[Induveca]

Is there really any question the Wizards end up with Cody "Guaranteed Bust" Zeller?

Every year, almost without fail the Wiz draft the guy I don't want (Wall however was a no-brainer). Beal, who I wasn't horribly excited about was the only nice surprise.

Outside of them? Every damn year passing up obviously capable players in favor of some odd Grunfeldian algorithm.

[sfam]

Let's assume the first 7 picks go in the order that nbadraft.net has them:

1. McLemore
2. Noel
3. Porter
4. Bennett
5. Burke
6. Len
7. Oladipo.

That would suck. Those are the top 7 guys on my board (though not necessarily in that order). We'd be choosing among Zeller, Olynyck and Shabazz. Yuck. I guess I'd go with Zeller, but I'd definitely shop the pick first.

Man, I really hope somebody above us falls in love with Zeller or Shabazz, so at least we end up with Len or Oladipo.

I'd take Shabazz in that scenario without question. A Wall/Beal/Muhammad trio is a very solid foundation IMO, even if Muhammad is very clearly the third most talented guy in the trio.

It's really early in the process though, and we're likely to see plenty of risers and fallers between now and the week preceding the draft, so I'm not overly concerned about any projections floating around atm.

In that situation, I probably take whoever is the best shooter and passer between Olynyk and Zeller. Neither are gonna be great defenders, but both could potentially be decent offensive weapons from the 4 position. The plan then would be to extend Okafor, and have one of these two eventually replace Nene.

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