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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#981 » by sfam » Sun May 26, 2013 1:22 am

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sfam wrote:Hands, I don't know how you can read much into that interview. Seriously, the speculation over that and EG's 3 player draft comment are way over the top. They just aren't going to be giving up much real info at this point.


EGs 3 player draft comment is EG marketing language. He was answering a direct interview question with an answer he already practiced to maximize the value of the pick. As someone already mentioned, if they won the #4th pick, he would have said it was a 4 player draft.

Totally different then evaluating Wittmans comments.

As for how I evaluate Wittmans comments, I told you how. Listen to what he says and listen to what he says on his own when he is rambling vs answering direct questions. Randy is totally different the EG. He doesn't have the BS corporate line stuff that EG has. Randy isn't wired like that. He finds that kind of stuff a waste of his time and not true to the kind of person he is.

Dude, I have been in sales, marketing, business development for almost 20 years. You read people. You listen to what people say and how. You listen to tone. You watch their face. You know how to read people quickly. If you don't, you aren't very good at doing that as a job. Some say people that can do it as born that way. Maybe part of that is true. I think a lot of it was learned. Starting back in who you were in your family. But that's a different conversation.

Now I can not say for 100% fact what they will do. But I can read Randy's tea leafs. It's not hard. Just listen to him for what he says and what he doesn't. Listen to what he is excited about and talks about all on his own. Randy is an easy book to read. But he is just one part of the decision. He even pointed that out. That even tells you something.

But I think he has some weight in the decision. Even though he is in his last year of his contract. He did well in year one. If he takes them to the playoffs, they will resign him. The player respect him. I think Ted and EG do as well. So I see it as all 3 will have a voice. And since EG is in his last year, his voice isn't going to be as strong as in years past. I would expect EG to be in full on making friends mode. That means he would want a consensus decision so he isn't sticking him neck out. I think Ted will manage the process and try to find the player both have consensus on. Kind of like Cooke used to do back in the days between Gibbs and Bobby Betherd.

So in this situation, if we want to read the tea leaves, I think we are lucky because Randy is an easy read and I think he will have an influence almost equal to EGs because we all know EG knows how to play the corporate politics games.


Well, this is certainly news to me that Wittman has equal say over who we draft. Has this been posted anywhere, because otherwise it sounds like a fantasy assessment without merit. I also don't see Ted pulling a Snyder and overruling his GM. This is EG's pick unless we hear otherwise. Ted will have to approve trades and trading out of the pick, but I'm shocked if EG doesn't have the final say here. Nor do I think Wittman is operating in a position of strength. Nobody would be shocked if both disapear after this year.

So no, I'm buying your tea leaf reading any more than I would buy your palm reading. I'm more of a coffee drinker anyways.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#982 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun May 26, 2013 1:28 am

If Dallas is trying to deal the 13 pick for salary reasons, maybe we can acquire it with our 2nd rounders (38, 54) which are non guaranteed, and the rights to Satoransky? Maybe throw in some cash?

They are talking about maybe using it for a draft and stash... our deal would give them 3 shots at getting a future hit in stash scenarios.

At 13 we could get a big like Olynyk, Adams, Dieng or Withey?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#983 » by sfam » Sun May 26, 2013 1:38 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:If Dallas is trying to deal the 13 pick for salary reasons, maybe we can acquire it with our 2nd rounders (38, 54) which are non guaranteed, and the rights to Satoransky? Maybe throw in some cash?

They are talking about maybe using it for a draft and stash... our deal would give them 3 shots at getting a future hit in stash scenarios.

At 13 we could get a big like Olynyk, Adams, Dieng or Withey?

I'd love it if we were able to move up to the #13, but I don't think we have enough to get it done. I'm guessing someone else snags this pick.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#984 » by Dark Faze » Sun May 26, 2013 1:43 am

I didn't take a lot away from Wittmans interview. He contradicted himself several times. Sounded a little more energetic about Len than anyone else but then goes off and says that he wants a player that can play right away, then says he doesn't like players that get injured prior to playing, then says they need bench help...bah.

I do think Wittman will be a big part of the process though as apparently Flip was in the past but I just couldn't get anything concrete from Randy.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#985 » by verbal8 » Sun May 26, 2013 1:55 am

sfam wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:If Dallas is trying to deal the 13 pick for salary reasons, maybe we can acquire it with our 2nd rounders (38, 54) which are non guaranteed, and the rights to Satoransky? Maybe throw in some cash?

They are talking about maybe using it for a draft and stash... our deal would give them 3 shots at getting a future hit in stash scenarios.

At 13 we could get a big like Olynyk, Adams, Dieng or Withey?

I'd love it if we were able to move up to the #13, but I don't think we have enough to get it done. I'm guessing someone else snags this pick.


If it gets traded for picks, I think the Thunder or Cavs get it. I think the Cavs would definitely do 31, 33 and their 2014 2nd. They might consider a lotto protected 2015 1st for the future pick.

The Cavs also would be able to absorb a contract like Vince Carter's if Dallas wants to clear space.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#986 » by hands11 » Sun May 26, 2013 1:56 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:If Dallas is trying to deal the 13 pick for salary reasons, maybe we can acquire it with our 2nd rounders (38, 54) which are non guaranteed, and the rights to Satoransky? Maybe throw in some cash?

They are talking about maybe using it for a draft and stash... our deal would give them 3 shots at getting a future hit in stash scenarios.

At 13 we could get a big like Olynyk, Adams, Dieng or Withey?


I would rather it involve a 2015 pick so we could keep on of those 2nds to use on someone like Jackie Carmichael/Eric Murphy/Ryan Kelly but another first would be really nice. That is what I wanted all along.

Then we could go VO/CJM and one of Dieng/Adams/Withey

Please please please please.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#987 » by No-Man » Sun May 26, 2013 2:06 am

Dallas isnt going to give up the pick just for 2nd rounds, they'll try to add a veteran pick up that can help them or they'll draft&stash an euro like Schröeder or Saric.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#988 » by closg00 » Sun May 26, 2013 2:08 am

Kudos to Walter Football, this is the only mock I've read that has the Cavs taking Porter at #1.
http://walterfootball.com/nbadraft2013mock.php
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#989 » by Wizardspride » Sun May 26, 2013 2:19 am

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I don't see Len as being much more impactful than your average big stiff white guy. I want someone athletic like Zeller, not a smaller Hibbert.


Athletic like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlQpMpgB14 I

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#990 » by sfam » Sun May 26, 2013 2:22 am

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sfam wrote:
I don't see Len as being much more impactful than your average big stiff white guy. I want someone athletic like Zeller, not a smaller Hibbert.


Athletic like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlQpMpgB14 I

No, like Zeller or Noel. The dude looks like he's in slow motion.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#991 » by doclinkin » Sun May 26, 2013 2:26 am

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#992 » by doclinkin » Sun May 26, 2013 2:27 am

Wizardspride wrote:
sfam wrote:
I don't see Len as being much more impactful than your average big stiff white guy. I want someone athletic like Zeller, not a smaller Hibbert.


Athletic like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlQpMpgB14 I



No, athletic like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajwa8j79vd0[/youtube]
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#993 » by Wizardspride » Sun May 26, 2013 2:29 am

sfam wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:
sfam wrote:
I don't see Len as being much more impactful than your average big stiff white guy. I want someone athletic like Zeller, not a smaller Hibbert.


Athletic like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlQpMpgB14 I

No, like Zeller or Noel. The dude looks like he's in slow motion.

I guess.....


We'll agree to disagree.....

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#994 » by Wizardspride » Sun May 26, 2013 2:31 am

doclinkin wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:
sfam wrote:
I don't see Len as being much more impactful than your average big stiff white guy. I want someone athletic like Zeller, not a smaller Hibbert.


Athletic like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlQpMpgB14 I



No, athletic like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajwa8j79vd0[/youtube]



Exactly! :nod: :nod: :nod:

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#995 » by hands11 » Sun May 26, 2013 2:31 am

Dark Faze wrote:I didn't take a lot away from Wittmans interview. He contradicted himself several times. Sounded a little more energetic about Len than anyone else but then goes off and says that he wants a player that can play right away, then says he doesn't like players that get injured prior to playing, then says they need bench help...bah.

I do think Wittman will be a big part of the process though as apparently Flip was in the past but I just couldn't get anything concrete from Randy.


I didn't hear him contradict himself.

When asked if he takes injury into consideration he response was

.. he didn't like it.. then he laughed. Then says you have to take it into consideration. Then went on to say..
its not the greatest situation, but that what the doctors are for... to evaluate that stuff. Lots of times kids come back fine from that.

But not sure why she is even talking to him and he is answering like he has a voice when some here says he doesn't.

That means all things being equal, of course you don't want injuries. Is it a deal breaker. Nope. Not if they can play next year.

Len is not so injured that he won't be playing next year. 4-6 month is the reported recovery time. Should be ready to to start the season or early there after. He is reported to have the boot off by draft night next month.

Len....

“I didn’t really have to do the surgery, but the doctor told me it was going to help me in the long run,” Len said. “I’m just trying to be proactive. Do the right things, be smart about it.

Smart of him to do it. Mature move since it was elective.

Keep in mind he played two months on the bad foot when evaluating him.

As for Noel, he said by Christmas for his ACL. But we all know he is likely to be like Blake Griffin and D Rose and miss the entire year.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#996 » by hands11 » Sun May 26, 2013 2:36 am

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sfam wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:If Dallas is trying to deal the 13 pick for salary reasons, maybe we can acquire it with our 2nd rounders (38, 54) which are non guaranteed, and the rights to Satoransky? Maybe throw in some cash?

They are talking about maybe using it for a draft and stash... our deal would give them 3 shots at getting a future hit in stash scenarios.

At 13 we could get a big like Olynyk, Adams, Dieng or Withey?

I'd love it if we were able to move up to the #13, but I don't think we have enough to get it done. I'm guessing someone else snags this pick.


If it gets traded for picks, I think the Thunder or Cavs get it. I think the Cavs would definitely do 31, 33 and their 2014 2nd. They might consider a lotto protected 2015 1st for the future pick.

The Cavs also would be able to absorb a contract like Vince Carter's if Dallas wants to clear space.


The Cavs ?

They already have the 1st and 19th plus two high 2nds at 31 and 33.

More likely they trade picks for vets then add more picks.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#997 » by hands11 » Sun May 26, 2013 2:47 am

sfam wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:
sfam wrote:
I don't see Len as being much more impactful than your average big stiff white guy. I want someone athletic like Zeller, not a smaller Hibbert.


Athletic like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlQpMpgB14 I

No, like Zeller or Noel. The dude looks like he's in slow motion.


The dude actually added weight so he could play center.

Noel is so light he will have a hard time playing PF and Zeller is getting projected as a PF as well.

And he was playing on an injured wheel the last two months of the season.

I want my 7-0 center to play center. We have plenty of other players that are fast that can be first down the floor.

You might want to youtube John Wall blocks...

Even Beal chased people down.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpSoQWiPuVI[/youtube]

He needs to be as fast as Hibbert and Gasol, not Zeller and Noel.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#998 » by Dark Faze » Sun May 26, 2013 3:17 am

Hands are you saying Wittman wants to draft Len?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#999 » by sfam » Sun May 26, 2013 3:23 am

hands11 wrote:
sfam wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:
Athletic like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlQpMpgB14 I

No, like Zeller or Noel. The dude looks like he's in slow motion.


The dude actually added weight so he could play center.

Noel is so light he will have a hard time playing PF and Zeller is getting projected as a PF as well.

And he was playing on an injured wheel the last two months of the season.

I want my 7-0 center to play center. We have plenty of other players that are fast that can be first down the floor.

You might want to youtube John Wall blocks...

Even Beal chased people down.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpSoQWiPuVI[/youtube]

He needs to be as fast as Hibbert and Gasol, not Zeller and Noel.

7 footers with stress fractures in their ankles should not be going top 5 in the draft.

Just no.

We disagree on his upside and talent, but again - stress fracture on his ankles. And no, I'm not that impressed that he decided to take care of it.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V 

Post#1000 » by sfam » Sun May 26, 2013 4:09 am

Dark Faze wrote:Hands are you saying Wittman wants to draft Len?

There's nothing in that interview that said that to me. Wittman clearly admires Len, but to me, its a real stretch to say Wittman showed any preferences in that interview.

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