Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[Illmatic12]

You guys need to come to terms with trading John Wall.

It's inevitable...and it'll help your team long-term.

Orlando or Philly seem like viable trade partners.

John Wall is 26yo with three years left on his deal. Beal, Porter, Oubre are all 23yo or younger. The Wizards are in no urgency to trade Wall or full scale blow up the team.

Now if you said 'Wizards management needs to come to terms with firing Ernie Grunfeld" we'd all be in agreement.


Tbh sounds like you're projecting your desires for the Hawks onto the Wiz.

Atlanta is a team that needs a tear down.. going nowhere with an aging core. Bazemore contract was a mistake. And the Howard signing was nice to sell tickets and drum up a little interest, but its just a matter of time before Dwight starts causing problems and becomes a headache

[Jamaaliver]

The Wizards are in no urgency to trade Wall or full scale blow up the team.

Now if you said 'Wizards management needs to come to terms with firing Ernie Grunfeld" we'd all be in agreement.

LOL

Fair enough

Atlanta is a team that needs a tear down.. going nowhere with an aging core.

Tbh sounds like you're projecting your desires for the Hawks onto the Wiz.

You are correct. We're heading nowhere...stuck in mediocrity. And there's a clear reason to it: Hawks poor personnel mgmt.

You guys are flush with young talent in or approaching their primes...and your team just isn't good. I am rooting for you guys. I picked you all to win the division. I thought you guys should have beaten us in the playoff in 2015.

Because you have so much more talent than us.

And yet....

But I wish you the best. I definitely didn't come to pick a fight. Just remember this conversation in the coming years.

[Dark Faze]

I actually enjoy a good tank. I like to dig deep into the players and do scouting from home, but I just don't think its needed here.

[Induveca]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

[JWizmentality]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

I disagree. We took on Morris with his baggage and this definitely lowers DMC's asking price. It's no secret Wall wants to play with his buddy, and all indication is that Barnes was the assailant here. There is video, but not sure why DMC was looped in. I'd even take Gay and his lousy contract to make it work.

[gambitx777]

The Wizards are in no urgency to trade Wall or full scale blow up the team.

Now if you said 'Wizards management needs to come to terms with firing Ernie Grunfeld" we'd all be in agreement.

LOL

Fair enough

Atlanta is a team that needs a tear down.. going nowhere with an aging core.

Tbh sounds like you're projecting your desires for the Hawks onto the Wiz.

You are correct. We're heading nowhere...stuck in mediocrity. And there's a clear reason to it: Hawks poor personnel mgmt.

You guys are flush with young talent in or approaching their primes...and your team just isn't good. I am rooting for you guys. I picked you all to win the division. I thought you guys should have beaten us in the playoff in 2015.

Because you have so much more talent than us.

And yet....

But I wish you the best. I definitely didn't come to pick a fight. Just remember this conversation in the coming years.

That in a nut shell is the problem with this team, if we had even a middle of the road level bench, we would be winning games because we go have one of the better starting 5's in the league and a lot of young talent. But our bench is worst in the league and that is the issues.

[McGully Culkin]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

This is the perfect chance for the Wizards to get Cousins on the cheap. We got fleeced by Sacramento back in the day for Webber following his weed/party incident w/ Juwan Howard...so let's get some payback LOL.

Half srs. Ok...fully serious.

[Induveca]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

I disagree. We took on Morris with his baggage and this definitely lowers DMC's asking price. It's no secret Wall wants to play with his buddy, and all indication is that Barnes was the assailant here. There is video, but not sure why DMC was looped in. I'd even take Gay and his lousy contract to make it work.

Read the article apparently Cousins was sued for punching and kicking a man repeatedly......so likely video unless their entourage stuck around to bribe the security guys (which isn't uncommon).

[pcbothwel]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

I disagree. We took on Morris with his baggage and this definitely lowers DMC's asking price. It's no secret Wall wants to play with his buddy, and all indication is that Barnes was the assailant here. There is video, but not sure why DMC was looped in. I'd even take Gay and his lousy contract to make it work.

This still shows that DMC is a mental midget and we'd be adding him to a team of mental midgets. The video clearly shows DMC rubbing and shaking out his hand saying "That n*gga f'd my sh*t up (his hand)" ... "I hit the sh*t out this n*gga".

Watch on YouTube

If we give up Beal, Gortat, and this 1st.. There is still a very good chance we suck and lose a top 8-10 pick. Beal could very well prove to be a top 10 SG and that pick could be Giles, Rabb, or Smith JR.

[JWizmentality]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

I disagree. We took on Morris with his baggage and this definitely lowers DMC's asking price. It's no secret Wall wants to play with his buddy, and all indication is that Barnes was the assailant here. There is video, but not sure why DMC was looped in. I'd even take Gay and his lousy contract to make it work.

Read the article apparently Cousins was sued for punching and kicking a man repeatedly......so likely video unless their entourage stuck around to bribe the security guys (which isn't uncommon).

Oh dear...

.......

Ima go Trump Voter on this and say I don't care. DMC will make this team great again.

[Illmatic12]

The Wizards are in no urgency to trade Wall or full scale blow up the team.

Now if you said 'Wizards management needs to come to terms with firing Ernie Grunfeld" we'd all be in agreement.

LOL

Fair enough

Atlanta is a team that needs a tear down.. going nowhere with an aging core.

Tbh sounds like you're projecting your desires for the Hawks onto the Wiz.

You are correct. We're heading nowhere...stuck in mediocrity. And there's a clear reason to it: Hawks poor personnel mgmt.

You guys are flush with young talent in or approaching their primes...and your team just isn't good. I am rooting for you guys. I picked you all to win the division. I thought you guys should have beaten us in the playoff in 2015.

Because you have so much more talent than us.

And yet....

But I wish you the best. I definitely didn't come to pick a fight. Just remember this conversation in the coming years.

I'm not saying the Wizards would never trade Wall down the line - but the idea that they should do it now, I just don't know where that's coming from.

There are other superstars in more urgent situations - like Cousins obviously. Even Paul George, who is for sure gonna opt out in summer 2018 and could probably look elsewhere. You could make an argument that those teams should be fielding offers for their stars

But Wall is under contract until 2019 with no opt outs. I cant recall a franchise player being traded so early in that situation. It's not like Wall is getting in trouble off the court or openly showing discontentment. And it's not like the team doesn't have some young talent to work with and they're so desperate to acquire picks and start over.

One thing you'll find consistent among Wiz fans is that we believe new management is needed at the top, people who will make better personnel decisions (hopefully similar to what Atlanta has done under Bud in terms of filling out a deep roster). But in my view trading Wall shouldn't even be on Washington's radar at this moment.

[Dat2U]

Cousins, Temple & Casspi for Beal, Oubre & 2018 1st.

Short term I'd even be okay with Cousins at PF while trying to find an acceptable deal for Gortat.

C Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith
F Cousins / Morris / Nicholson
F Porter / Casspi / House
G Temple / Thornton / McClellan
G Wall / Satoransky / Burke

It makes our depth better. Deal Gortat for guard help and I think we could even challenge Boston & Toronto for 2nd best in the East.

[nate33]

If Cousins is due for a big fat suspension, then this might make the trade even better - provided we don't include the 2017 first round pick.

Make it Bradley Beal, Nicholson plus the 2018 1st for Cousins and Temple. Then trade Gortat to Boston for the 2019 Memphis pick and Amir Johnson. Then have Cousins sit out 25 games because of suspension while we tank. Next year, we add a top 8 draft pick. In 2019, we'll have the Memphis pick which will probably be a lotto pick.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm not saying the Wizards would never trade Wall down the line - but the idea that they should do it now, I just don't know where that's coming from.

12th place. It's coming from 7 wins in 20 games.

Everything you said above makes sense. But seeing Wall have a career game against a scrub Magic team and still lose, makes me sad.

The article below sums up my position pretty well. (NOTE: I didn't write it.)

Even John Wall can’t save Washington from itself


A three-time All-Star, the 26-year-old point guard has been to the playoffs only twice in his career and has two playoff series victory to his name.

Wall is averaging career highs in points, steals, field-goal percentage, free-throw percentage, effective field-goal percentage and three-point percentage.

Yet, the Wizards struggle, with below-average marks in offensive and defensive efficiency hampering Wall’s effectiveness.

That the Wizards wasted a career night comes as no great shock at this point, but it does invite the opportunity to wonder what he could be elsewhere.

Here

[TGW]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

Flackin' moron. Keep that statpadding loser away from my team.

[Illmatic12]

I'm not saying the Wizards would never trade Wall down the line - but the idea that they should do it now, I just don't know where that's coming from.

12th place. It's coming from 7 wins in 20 games.

Everything you said above makes sense. But seeing Wall have a career game against a scrub Magic team and still lose, makes me sad.

The article below sums up my position pretty well. (NOTE: I didn't write it.)

Even John Wall can’t save Washington from itself


A three-time All-Star, the 26-year-old point guard has been to the playoffs only twice in his career and has two playoff series victory to his name.

Wall is averaging career highs in points, steals, field-goal percentage, free-throw percentage, effective field-goal percentage and three-point percentage.

Yet, the Wizards struggle, with below-average marks in offensive and defensive efficiency hampering Wall’s effectiveness.

That the Wizards wasted a career night comes as no great shock at this point, but it does invite the opportunity to wonder what he could be elsewhere.

Here

Portland started last season 7-12 (actually they only won 15 of their first 40 games) did they put Lillard on the trading block? Lol

Even if the Wizards never turn it around this season like that Blazers squad did, think about what you're saying. Team is struggling because of league-worst bench - therefore trade your franchise player, who is on a bargain contract for the next 3 years, and has never said a word about wanting to leave? Yeah.. for me personally, that logic doesn't seem to be grounded in reality

Far as I can tell that article is just an unsourced opinion piece for a blog lol, and the author even acknowledges that it's unlikely Washington would consider trading Wall.

John Wall is not the first superstar to play for a team that isn't contending and he won't be the last. At any given point in time, you're never going to have all the league's superstars playing in perfect situations (especially nowadays with elite talents concentrating on a select few super teams). There are multiple things Washington could do to put themselves in a better position in the near future, but trading Wall is not remotely one of those things.

[Illmatic12]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

I disagree. We took on Morris with his baggage and this definitely lowers DMC's asking price. It's no secret Wall wants to play with his buddy, and all indication is that Barnes was the assailant here. There is video, but not sure why DMC was looped in. I'd even take Gay and his lousy contract to make it work.

If you saw the TMZ video that was put out, you can clearly hear Cousins joking about how he punched someone. So it may just be Barnes problem for now, but DMC better hope there aren't additional witnesses called to court because it does not sound like he was totally innocent here.

[JWizmentality]

And Cousins just officially went full toxic if true, no way Leonsis (or anyone until this is resolved) even considers a deal. However I suspect Sacramento's asking price just plummeted.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/12/8/two-nba-players-being-sued-for-alleged-attack-at-manhattan-nightclub.html

Since they were sued in civil court, and no warrant issued......the victims are obviously looking for an out of court settlement. Cousins/Barnes are going to get fleeced if there was video.

This will likely be a magical "mistaken identity" after an under the table/sealed settlement is made. Also, great job signing Matt Barnes Sacramento, the chemistry between Cousins/him wasn't worth a risk/reward analysis apparently.

I disagree. We took on Morris with his baggage and this definitely lowers DMC's asking price. It's no secret Wall wants to play with his buddy, and all indication is that Barnes was the assailant here. There is video, but not sure why DMC was looped in. I'd even take Gay and his lousy contract to make it work.

If you saw the TMZ video that was put out, you can clearly hear Cousins joking about how he punched someone. So it may just be Barnes problem for now, but DMC better hope there aren't additional witnesses called to court because it does not sound like he was totally innocent here.

Well, we don't know who threw the first punch. The guy probably had it coming.

[Ruzious]

If Cousins is due for a big fat suspension, then this might make the trade even better - provided we don't include the 2017 first round pick.

Make it Bradley Beal, Nicholson plus the 2018 1st for Cousins and Temple. Then trade Gortat to Boston for the 2019 Memphis pick and Amir Johnson. Then have Cousins sit out 25 games because of suspension while we tank. Next year, we add a top 8 draft pick. In 2019, we'll have the Memphis pick which will probably be a lotto pick.

Wow, that does work out almost freakishly well. And Gortat does look like a very nice fit for Boston - with Amir seeming to be on decline in his free agent season. I doubt anyone in the Wiz front office has the balls to even try to pull off something like that.

[Jamaaliver]

...think about what you're saying. [T]hat logic doesn't seem to be grounded in reality.

Time will tell, man.