Political Roundtable Part XVII

[gtn130]

No reputable news source is reporting anything about the Fisa courts. Only the usual right wing garbage sites.

LOL, there's about 15 sitting Congressmen tweeting about it right now. It's legit. No "reputable" (meaning in-the-tank for Democrats) news sources are reporting it because they know how badly it damages Democrats.

This is really big stuff. Basically, Obama's DOJ, the Clinton campaign, and the FBI illegally surveilled Trump (and probably other candidates) in the election by utilizing NSA database queries without a warrant. They then laundered that illegally obtained intelligence through back channels to Fusion GPS, who helped Christopher Steele write the dossier using information from that illegally obtained NSA data. It was that dossier, laundered to appear like it was legitimate, independent intelligence, that was then used to mislead the FISA court into obtaining a FISA warrant so that they could legally surveill Trump.

This makes Watergate look like a picnic. The Obama Administration permitted NSA surveillance to be weaponized against a political opponent. You don't have to believe me. It's going to come out eventually. People are going to go to jail for this.

Nate when this post turns out to be laughably and brazenly wrong, are you gonna come back to this thread and eat crow?

[nate33]

No reputable news source is reporting anything about the Fisa courts. Only the usual right wing garbage sites.

LOL, there's about 15 sitting Congressmen tweeting about it right now. It's legit. No "reputable" (meaning in-the-tank for Democrats) news sources are reporting it because they know how badly it damages Democrats.

This is really big stuff. Basically, Obama's DOJ, the Clinton campaign, and the FBI illegally surveilled Trump (and probably other candidates) in the election by utilizing NSA database queries without a warrant. They then laundered that illegally obtained intelligence through back channels to Fusion GPS, who helped Christopher Steele write the dossier using information from that illegally obtained NSA data. It was that dossier, laundered to appear like it was legitimate, independent intelligence, that was then used to mislead the FISA court into obtaining a FISA warrant so that they could legally surveill Trump.

This makes Watergate look like a picnic. The Obama Administration permitted NSA surveillance to be weaponized against a political opponent. You don't have to believe me. It's going to come out eventually. People are going to go to jail for this.

Translation: The department of justice used perfectly legal instruments authorized by the incredibly evil and fascist Patriot act that REPUBLICANS forced on us after 9/11. Lo and behold it can be abused in a way that doesn't just hurt Democrats! Because Republicans are just as evil and criminal as Democrats are! Shock! Outrage!

Sucks to be on the receiving end of the Patriot Act for once doesn't it? Maybe we should get rid of it!

It was not legal to leak that classified information to third party players like Fusion GPS.

[nate33]

No reputable news source is reporting anything about the Fisa courts. Only the usual right wing garbage sites.

LOL, there's about 15 sitting Congressmen tweeting about it right now. It's legit. No "reputable" (meaning in-the-tank for Democrats) news sources are reporting it because they know how badly it damages Democrats.

This is really big stuff. Basically, Obama's DOJ, the Clinton campaign, and the FBI illegally surveilled Trump (and probably other candidates) in the election by utilizing NSA database queries without a warrant. They then laundered that illegally obtained intelligence through back channels to Fusion GPS, who helped Christopher Steele write the dossier using information from that illegally obtained NSA data. It was that dossier, laundered to appear like it was legitimate, independent intelligence, that was then used to mislead the FISA court into obtaining a FISA warrant so that they could legally surveill Trump.

This makes Watergate look like a picnic. The Obama Administration permitted NSA surveillance to be weaponized against a political opponent. You don't have to believe me. It's going to come out eventually. People are going to go to jail for this.

Nate when this post turns out to be laughably and brazenly wrong, are you gonna come back to this thread and eat crow?

I won't have to.

[gtn130]

LOL, there's about 15 sitting Congressmen tweeting about it right now. It's legit. No "reputable" (meaning in-the-tank for Democrats) news sources are reporting it because they know how badly it damages Democrats.

This is really big stuff. Basically, Obama's DOJ, the Clinton campaign, and the FBI illegally surveilled Trump (and probably other candidates) in the election by utilizing NSA database queries without a warrant. They then laundered that illegally obtained intelligence through back channels to Fusion GPS, who helped Christopher Steele write the dossier using information from that illegally obtained NSA data. It was that dossier, laundered to appear like it was legitimate, independent intelligence, that was then used to mislead the FISA court into obtaining a FISA warrant so that they could legally surveill Trump.

This makes Watergate look like a picnic. The Obama Administration permitted NSA surveillance to be weaponized against a political opponent. You don't have to believe me. It's going to come out eventually. People are going to go to jail for this.

Nate when this post turns out to be laughably and brazenly wrong, are you gonna come back to this thread and eat crow?

I won't have to.

Because you'll be on to the next conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton most likely.

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Keep carrying water for Daddy, Nate!

[Zonkerbl]

LOL, there's about 15 sitting Congressmen tweeting about it right now. It's legit. No "reputable" (meaning in-the-tank for Democrats) news sources are reporting it because they know how badly it damages Democrats.

This is really big stuff. Basically, Obama's DOJ, the Clinton campaign, and the FBI illegally surveilled Trump (and probably other candidates) in the election by utilizing NSA database queries without a warrant. They then laundered that illegally obtained intelligence through back channels to Fusion GPS, who helped Christopher Steele write the dossier using information from that illegally obtained NSA data. It was that dossier, laundered to appear like it was legitimate, independent intelligence, that was then used to mislead the FISA court into obtaining a FISA warrant so that they could legally surveill Trump.

This makes Watergate look like a picnic. The Obama Administration permitted NSA surveillance to be weaponized against a political opponent. You don't have to believe me. It's going to come out eventually. People are going to go to jail for this.

Translation: The department of justice used perfectly legal instruments authorized by the incredibly evil and fascist Patriot act that REPUBLICANS forced on us after 9/11. Lo and behold it can be abused in a way that doesn't just hurt Democrats! Because Republicans are just as evil and criminal as Democrats are! Shock! Outrage!

Sucks to be on the receiving end of the Patriot Act for once doesn't it? Maybe we should get rid of it!

It was not legal to leak that classified information to third party players like Fusion GPS.

So you agree that collecting the data is completely legal, and you agree with me that the information thus collected is easily abused (note that you can't leak information you don't have)? And that the Patriot Act should be rescinded? Terrific! Yay, consensus!

I have no idea if the data was illegally leaked to Fusion GPS, given that this memo was written by a Trump nutsack licker. But let's get rid of the Patriot Act anyway.

[Ruzious]

Wait wait wait...let me get this straight. Nunes wrote the memo???



LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he is sitting chair of the house intel community that is investigating "collusiongate"!!! its a factual based memo with a step by step of what occurred summer 2016. The rest of the house is appalled. Graham an dGrassley referred many people to the FBI/DOJ last week for criminal prosecution.

You guys really think this is a big game??

well the trump admin is getting its sea legs and about to show the american exactly what kind of game was played in 2016. Gloves off!!!

Because Nunes is a f'n joke, and everyone with a brain realizes it.

[nate33]

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They won't read it in front of cameras because it contains top secret classified information. Congress has to approve of its release. If an individual congressman releases the information without authority, he will be committing a crime.

[gtn130]

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They won't read it in front of cameras because it contains top secret classified information. Congress has to approve of its release. If an individual congressman releases the information without authority, he will be committing a crime.

Interesting, Nate.

Imagine a world where the President has the ability to de-classify things.

[nate33]

Translation: The department of justice used perfectly legal instruments authorized by the incredibly evil and fascist Patriot act that REPUBLICANS forced on us after 9/11. Lo and behold it can be abused in a way that doesn't just hurt Democrats! Because Republicans are just as evil and criminal as Democrats are! Shock! Outrage!

Sucks to be on the receiving end of the Patriot Act for once doesn't it? Maybe we should get rid of it!

It was not legal to leak that classified information to third party players like Fusion GPS.

So you agree that collecting the data is completely legal, and you agree with me that the information thus collected is easily abused (note that you can't leak information you don't have)? And that the Patriot Act should be rescinded? Terrific! Yay, consensus!

I have no idea if the data was illegally leaked to Fusion GPS, given that this memo was written by a Trump nutsack licker. But let's get rid of the Patriot Act anyway.

No. I won't even agree that collecting the data is legal. You can only use it to gather data on foreign officials, not U.S. people. That fact that the identities of the American citizens was immediately unmasked and disseminated throughout the government is highly sketchy and may in fact be illegal. And this data was gathered before even the Papadapolis encounter with the Australian official. At the time, there was no existing potential crime to investigate.

There's a whole lot more to the story. It's bad. I'm not going to waste any time arguing with you guys about it. The facts will come out.

[stilldropin20]

LOL, there's about 15 sitting Congressmen tweeting about it right now. It's legit. No "reputable" (meaning in-the-tank for Democrats) news sources are reporting it because they know how badly it damages Democrats.

This is really big stuff. Basically, Obama's DOJ, the Clinton campaign, and the FBI illegally surveilled Trump (and probably other candidates) in the election by utilizing NSA database queries without a warrant. They then laundered that illegally obtained intelligence through back channels to Fusion GPS, who helped Christopher Steele write the dossier using information from that illegally obtained NSA data. It was that dossier, laundered to appear like it was legitimate, independent intelligence, that was then used to mislead the FISA court into obtaining a FISA warrant so that they could legally surveill Trump.

This makes Watergate look like a picnic. The Obama Administration permitted NSA surveillance to be weaponized against a political opponent. You don't have to believe me. It's going to come out eventually. People are going to go to jail for this.

Translation: The department of justice used perfectly legal instruments authorized by the incredibly evil and fascist Patriot act that REPUBLICANS forced on us after 9/11. Lo and behold it can be abused in a way that doesn't just hurt Democrats! Because Republicans are just as evil and criminal as Democrats are! Shock! Outrage!

Sucks to be on the receiving end of the Patriot Act for once doesn't it? Maybe we should get rid of it!

It was not legal to leak that classified information to third party players like Fusion GPS.

and the "evidence" to seek the FISA warrant was grossly misrepresented to FISA court judge who previously denied the warrant. Desperate, they went back to the court with the unverified, uncorroborated dossier compiled by a foreign national. paid for by a political opponent.

Top officials in the obama DOJ/FBI will need to answer the question: "why were you so intent to spy on Donald Trump months before a presidential election?" They wont have an answer because the "evidence" was completely fabricated. and uncorroborated by the FBI. At which point they will again be asked, "why?" And they wont have an answer other than they were conspiring to throw the election for HRC. Which of course they wont say. It is up to our courts to prove this. and if our courts do not do soemthng about this, any and all future administrations will be allowed to spy on politcal opponents. Which of course is actually a a big deal. Like a grave threat to our democracy kind of big deal.

barrack Obama should be ashamed of himself. I mean this man is a Harvard trained constitutional scholar!! and instead of protecting our great democracy and constitution, he perverted it. disgusting! What kind of president does that?? And if he had nothing to do with this?? then he should come out hard against it!! and demand justice for these criminals just below him who perverted our DOJ just underneath him.

[Zonkerbl]

It was not legal to leak that classified information to third party players like Fusion GPS.

So you agree that collecting the data is completely legal, and you agree with me that the information thus collected is easily abused (note that you can't leak information you don't have)? And that the Patriot Act should be rescinded? Terrific! Yay, consensus!

I have no idea if the data was illegally leaked to Fusion GPS, given that this memo was written by a Trump nutsack licker. But let's get rid of the Patriot Act anyway.

No. I won't even agree that collecting the data is legal. You can only use it to gather data on foreign officials, not U.S. people. That fact that the identities of the American citizens was immediately unmasked and disseminated throughout the government is highly sketchy and may in fact be illegal. And this data was gathered before even the Papadapolis encounter with the Australian official. At the time, there was no existing potential crime to investigate.

There's a whole lot more to the story. It's bad. I'm not going to waste any time arguing with you guys about it. The facts will come out.

But the data was collected on foreign officials. If they happen to be speaking to US citizens that's their tough luck (YOU KNOW THIS - I don't appreciate the deliberate misdirection here Nate). This is what I'm saying - Patriot Act is a huge overreach and I agree entirely with Trump that the data collected can be easily abused. Given that Trump has *already admitted publicly* that he is willing to collude with Russia to dig up dirt on political rivals I have absolutely *no doubt* that he would not hesitate to weaponize FISA data against political opponents. Let's blow this fascist piece of legislation the f@ck up.

[nate33]

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They won't read it in front of cameras because it contains top secret classified information. Congress has to approve of its release. If an individual congressman releases the information without authority, he will be committing a crime.

Interesting, Nate.

Imagine a world where the President has the ability to de-classify things.

According to Rep. Jim Jordan, there is a process:

"Chairman [Devin] Nunes in the Intelligence Committee in the House he can he bring the committee back together. They can have a vote. If the majority of the committee votes to release these documents, the executive branch gets a certain amount of time to review them. If the executive branch gives the thumbs up they go public"

I'm guessing that because this document was generated by Congress, the Executive Branch can't compel them to release it because of separation of powers. Once it is released, the Executive can and presumably will declassify it.

[stilldropin20]

So you agree that collecting the data is completely legal, and you agree with me that the information thus collected is easily abused (note that you can't leak information you don't have)? And that the Patriot Act should be rescinded? Terrific! Yay, consensus!

I have no idea if the data was illegally leaked to Fusion GPS, given that this memo was written by a Trump nutsack licker. But let's get rid of the Patriot Act anyway.

No. I won't even agree that collecting the data is legal. You can only use it to gather data on foreign officials, not U.S. people. That fact that the identities of the American citizens was immediately unmasked and disseminated throughout the government is highly sketchy and may in fact be illegal. And this data was gathered before even the Papadapolis encounter with the Australian official. At the time, there was no existing potential crime to investigate.

There's a whole lot more to the story. It's bad. I'm not going to waste any time arguing with you guys about it. The facts will come out.

But the data was collected on foreign officials. If they happen to be speaking to US citizens that's their tough luck (YOU KNOW THIS - I don't appreciate the deliberate misdirection here Nate). This is what I'm saying - Patriot Act is a huge overreach and I agree entirely with Trump that the data collected can be easily abused. Given that Trump has *already admitted publicly* that he is willing to collude with Russia to dig up dirt on political rivals I have absolutely *no doubt* that he would not hesitate to weaponize FISA data against political opponents. Let's blow this fascist piece of legislation the f@ck up.

guess what Zonker, guess who agrees with you!!!???? take a guess!!!?????

here's the short list, Warren, Kamela Harris, Sanders!! Cory Booker!!!!



you know, like the top 4 people to be on the Dem ticket in 2020.
What a joke. thet dont want trump to (potentially) be able to spy on them while they begin their run next summer.

what a phuckin joke, man!!!!!!

[cammac]

I would like to thank all on the good wishes for my recovery which is going very well no pain setting up therapy but it shows how lucky I am to live in Canada. Popper thanks for your goodwill but may I ask you is there a "American Insurance Plan" that would give me this type of coverage we a obvious preexisting conditions. If so what would the yearly cost be? Yes the Canadian system isn't instantaneous I did have to spend a few days waiting for transport to the hospital for Surgery. Partly because I was in a very stable condition and partly it was close to the weekend. But all the preparatory work was done and the surgery handled competently and professionally. In ICU I was in a 4 bed recovery pod with 4 Registered Nurses on duty. When my pulse went from 90 to 300 in seconds I was on my bed and had electroshock in a matter of 10 seconds the incident was over and I returned to stable condition. I was consulted by doctors and recommended that I have the pacemaker installed. They tried to fit me in the next day but the schedule was too full but was on the table 1st the next morning. Through my stay at the hospital I very little pain and the most painkiller I took were a few Tylenol. I was offered some narcotics if pain was out of my tolerance level but was discouraged. The nursing staff works 4 twelve hour shifts then get 5 days off. The technical staff was in and out of the pod effectively and efficiently. The staff doctors and interns gave me updates twice a day since this is also a teaching hospital.
It would be interesting to know what a US plan would cost for my hospital stay and recovery with zero costs to me personally?
I am in a position I could pay but no one knew about my social economic situation and I was treated as a ordinary patient. My wife is letting me get on the internet for short periods since she had taken away my phone and computer while in hospital.

[nate33]

So you agree that collecting the data is completely legal, and you agree with me that the information thus collected is easily abused (note that you can't leak information you don't have)? And that the Patriot Act should be rescinded? Terrific! Yay, consensus!

I have no idea if the data was illegally leaked to Fusion GPS, given that this memo was written by a Trump nutsack licker. But let's get rid of the Patriot Act anyway.

No. I won't even agree that collecting the data is legal. You can only use it to gather data on foreign officials, not U.S. people. That fact that the identities of the American citizens was immediately unmasked and disseminated throughout the government is highly sketchy and may in fact be illegal. And this data was gathered before even the Papadapolis encounter with the Australian official. At the time, there was no existing potential crime to investigate.

There's a whole lot more to the story. It's bad. I'm not going to waste any time arguing with you guys about it. The facts will come out.

But the data was collected on foreign officials. If they happen to be speaking to US citizens that's their tough luck (YOU KNOW THIS - I don't appreciate the deliberate misdirection here Nate). This is what I'm saying - Patriot Act is a huge overreach and I agree entirely with Trump that the data collected can be easily abused. Given that Trump has *already admitted publicly* that he is willing to collude with Russia to dig up dirt on political rivals I have absolutely *no doubt* that he would not hesitate to weaponize FISA data against political opponents. Let's blow this fascist piece of legislation the f@ck up.

No. You are wrong. It is not their "tough luck". The identity of the American people are kept secret. The transcript will read: "Vladimir Putin said blah blah blah and American Citizen X responded by saying blah blah blah. You can't know who American Citizen X is unless there is a national security interest involved. And at the time, there had been no Papadapolis meeting and no Trump Dossier so there should have been no investigation into Trump and no reason to reveal the identities of Americans involved in those conversations - not without a FISA warrant.

[FAH1223]

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[gtn130]

Nate seems so very deeply worried about THE LEAKERS and ILLEGAL DATA COLLECTION yet cares little for the actual crimes being investigated. Very strange! It's almost as if he's arguing in bad faith or something

[Wizardspride]

you mean...libs are getting their azz kicked on twitter? again?

Look man, the outgoing DOJ spied on trump(a US citizen) via the FISA courts. and did so based off a a fake dossier bought and paid for by the DNC. And continued to surveil him after the election. They booby trapped the entire DOJ with Clinton/Obama and even Bush appointees to trip him up once in office. They used/continue to use main stream media to disinform people like you, Wizardspride, into thinking Trump is either derranged, sick, unstable, racists, etc etc.

Look folks, The washington DC insiders DO NOT WANT OUTSIDERS in control of government.

because the insiders are controlled by special interests!!!!! And special interests are desperate to keep control of our government.

ive also been telling you guys for months that Trump is going to go down as GOAT president of the modern era. And i meant it!! He is going to expose it all. and fix it all. You guys really think it is blind luck that our unemployment rates are at historic lows in less than 12 months??? That our stock market took off?? That trillions of dollars are repatriating into the US with 2 weeks of the his tax reform?????

for the 1000th time....wade dafuq up!!!!!!

Uh no.

I was actually referring to seeing Hispanics called "wetbacks" etc

My entire twitter feed is filled with conservatives and liberals. I follow every single politician in office right now at the federal, state, and local I almost never see name calling or racists remarks....like virtually NEVER!!! I also follow nearly every single journalist. so i am assuming you are simply attempting to flame race wars and, frankly, making this up. Are racists remarks made on twitter? of course. But I've never seen more than extremely rare occurrences and many people call them out including me.

I will admit that i dont read too much into the remarks section but i often make remarks and people respond to me...and i just dont see this stuff. not sure what I am missing here or if you just follow some weirdos?

But if this is some big twitter problem? post it here! I will go to twitter and help you expose them(call them out)!!

I probably get this stuff because I follow a few politicans and people tweet these kind of things to them.

Here's an example:

I edited the first tweet because of the language.


Deplorable Dan‏
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*** Schumer,**** Pelosi **** the Democrats,**** illegal DACA disrespectful defecating little wetbacks. America first baby, along with our men in blue and our brave women and men in our military that are keeping us free. Suck on that Durbin

Second tweet addressed to Sen Kamala Harris

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There's a lot of people like this on twitter unfortunately.



Fwiw, I do think you can have some issues with our immigration policy and not be a racist.

But when you start referring to people as wetbacks etc,THEN I question your motives...

[dckingsfan]

Do you guys think the Ds should shut down the government over the dreamers? Would this help or hurt at the mid-terms?

[Wizardspride]

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They won't read it in front of cameras because it contains top secret classified information. Congress has to approve of its release. If an individual congressman releases the information without authority, he will be committing a crime.

If I'm correct the WH can declassify the info and release it themselves.

They should just do that and we can see what they have.