2021 Draft thread. Woo! 15th pick here we come! Hoo. Ray.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #981 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:56 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Geez Mitchell looks good....

Conversely, Butler does not. Jared Butler does not look like he has NBA athleticism.

Mitchell looks like a lottery pick

NatP4 · Post #982 » by **NatP4** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:02 am

Been high on Butler all year, but against some better competition, he hasn’t looked like a great athlete. Baylor won despite Butler’s awful performance. Mitchell was a game changer. Looked every bit the part of a lottery pick. EXPLOSIVE

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #983 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:59 pm

Ruzious wrote:
NatP4 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Love the way he fights through screens (esp the 28-32 second part) - Wiz really need more of that. I was thinking - we don't need another tweener forward, but now I'm thinking maybe we do need that as long as the new guy adds defense - and he does - as well as providing a 3 point threat. He does that - even though he does go on cold streaks from 3. And it might be time to trade Bertans - though it's not a necessity if we have a creative coach.

Trade Bertans, whaaat?

I thought that contract was just right. :lol:

Post #984 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:03 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
NatP4 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Love the way he fights through screens (esp the 28-32 second part) - Wiz really need more of that. I was thinking - we don't need another tweener forward, but now I'm thinking maybe we do need that as long as the new guy adds defense - and he does - as well as providing a 3 point threat. He does that - even though he does go on cold streaks from 3. And it might be time to trade Bertans - though it's not a necessity if we have a creative coach.

Trade Bertans, whaaat?

I thought that contract was just right.

? I don't get it. Pretty sure I called for trading Bertans more than anyone else here.

payitforward · Post #985 » by **payitforward** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:17 pm

You'll have to duke it out with me for that title, Ruz. But, you were certainly early.

The real question is whether one did or did not want to trade him for a low R1 pick at the deadline last year. I'm not sure, but I might have been the only one here who was 100% for doing that!

Next real question is whether one wanted to re-sign him for $16m. I hated the idea, & I might have been the only one here who was 100% against doing that.

For that matter, I would have had the same reaction at $13m.

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #986 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:22 pm

Ruzious wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Love the way he fights through screens (esp the 28-32 second part) - Wiz really need more of that. I was thinking - we don't need another tweener forward, but now I'm thinking maybe we do need that as long as the new guy adds defense - and he does - as well as providing a 3 point threat. He does that - even though he does go on cold streaks from 3. And it might be time to trade Bertans - though it's not a necessity if we have a creative coach.

Trade Bertans, whaaat?

I thought that contract was just right.

? I don't get it. Pretty sure I called for trading Bertans more than anyone else here.

Oh, that's different then. I only thought the contract made sense if they intended to trade him.

A bunch of people thought it was the perfect contract for what Bertans offered.

NatP4 · Post #987 » by **NatP4** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:15 pm

payitforward wrote:You'll have to duke it out with me for that title, Ruz. But, you were certainly early.

The real question is whether one did or did not want to trade him for a low R1 pick at the deadline last year. I'm not sure, but I might have been the only one here who was 100% for doing that!

Next real question is whether one wanted to re-sign him for $16m. I hated the idea, & I might have been the only one here who was 100% against doing that.

For that matter, I would have had the same reaction at $13m.

FWIW, Fred Katz stated in his Q&A, that Bertans has trade value according to some front office executives, and coukd return a mid to low 1st round pick attached to a not so desirable contract coming back as filler.

Frichuela · Post #988 » by **Frichuela** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:25 pm

NatP4 wrote:
payitforward wrote:You'll have to duke it out with me for that title, Ruz. But, you were certainly early.

The real question is whether one did or did not want to trade him for a low R1 pick at the deadline last year. I'm not sure, but I might have been the only one here who was 100% for doing that!

Next real question is whether one wanted to re-sign him for $16m. I hated the idea, & I might have been the only one here who was 100% against doing that.

For that matter, I would have had the same reaction at $13m.

FWIW, Fred Katz stated in his Q&A, that Bertans has trade value according to some front office executives, and coukd return a mid to low 1st round pick attached to a not so desirable contract coming back as filler.

I only see that as a possibility IF he returns from injury promptly and shoots around 40% from 3 for the reminder of the season.

DCZards · Post #989 » by **DCZards** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:49 pm

payitforward wrote:You'll have to duke it out with me for that title, Ruz. But, you were certainly early.

The real question is whether one did or did not want to trade him for a low R1 pick at the deadline last year. I'm not sure, but I might have been the only one here who was 100% for doing that!

Next real question is whether one wanted to re-sign him for $16m. I hated the idea, & I might have been the only one here who was 100% against doing that.

For that matter, I would have had the same reaction at $13m.

Pif, if you’re talking about trading Bertans for a late first round pick last season (like the one offered by Boston) you may be right about being the only one 100% for it.

I’m for trading Davis for a pick this off-season, especially if it’s a late first or early second, but if he returns to form as a 3pt shooter and if the new pieces (Gafford & Hutch) turn out to be solid contributors, especially on D, then I don’t have a problem with keeping a floor stretcher like Bertans around.

The $16 mil Davis makes is not a major impediment to building a better Zards team, IMO.

NatP4 · Post #990 » by **NatP4** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:01 pm

That’s not typically the type of trade that occurs around the draft. Bertans is a guy that would be moved on trade deadline day.

DCZards · Post #991 » by **DCZards** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:11 pm

NatP4 wrote:That’s not typically the type of trade that occurs around the draft. Bertans is a guy that would be moved on trade deadline day.

Agree. If you didn’t move Bertans at the deadline he’s unlikely to be traded during the offseason.

Post #992 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:37 pm

Getting back to the draft, Mobley's such a convenient choice, because he can play either C or PF, and with our 2 returning centers being somewhat (or more than somewhat) injury-prone, that versatility is so important. We could trot out a defensive team of Gafford, Mobley, Rui/Bonga, Hitcherson, and Westbrook. Offensively use Bryant, Beal, Bertans, Mathews, and Westbrook.

Post #993 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:30 pm

NatP4 wrote:Mitchell back in the 2nd half now and carrying this Baylor team. His first step, and athleticism in general, is explosive. Probably the quickest first step in the country, can go left or right. That is going to translate to the NBA, going to blow by NBA defenders.

Great leader, never got rattled when he struggled early and got into foul trouble.

Moody has been a total no show again. His tournament performance has been a major red flag.

Mitchell is nicknamed "Off-night" because his opponents tend to have off-nights against him.

Post #994 » by **nate33** » Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:21 pm

payitforward wrote:You'll have to duke it out with me for that title, Ruz. But, you were certainly early.

The real question is whether one did or did not want to trade him for a low R1 pick at the deadline last year. I'm not sure, but I might have been the only one here who was 100% for doing that!

Next real question is whether one wanted to re-sign him for $16m. I hated the idea, & I might have been the only one here who was 100% against doing that.

For that matter, I would have had the same reaction at $13m.

I was screaming from the mountain tops that we should trade Bertans last year when it looked like he was worth a first round pick.

NatP4 · Post #995 » by **NatP4** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:10 am

Give me Jalen Suggs 1st overall. What a performance.

NatP4 · Post #996 » by **NatP4** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:19 am

18-10-8 on 11 shots for Jalen Suggs up against the Mobley brothers and a terrific USC backcourt.

Illuminaire · Post #997 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:48 am

That was the smoothest statement game I've ever seen a player make. Suggs was locked in and controlled the game from start to finish. He does everything.

Man, the top 3 of this draft rocks.

I'd say 4, but I still think Cade is a trap.

prime1time · Post #998 » by **prime1time** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:02 am

We just need to lose enough to give ourselves a chance. Suggs, Mobley, Cunningham, Green - I'd take any one of them. Each would immediately improve our team. My greatest hope is that we will be in a position where we can choose between them.

NatP4 · Post #999 » by **NatP4** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:46 am

Illuminaire wrote:That was the smoothest statement game I've ever seen a player make. Suggs was locked in and controlled the game from start to finish. He does everything.

Man, the top 3 of this draft rocks.

I'd say 4, but I still think Cade is a trap.

Join the club. Cunningham is the most overrated prospect of the last 5 years.

Illuminaire · Post #1000 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:50 am

Right? I kept checking his stats and wondering what the big deal was. I figured I must be missing something, that his play must be more than the box score.

Then I watched his last couple of games, and he's just... I dunno. He's a tall dude who can shoot pretty good. His passes are accurate, but he doesn't have great vision. His handle is weak. He's an average athlete.

I'm seeing a guy who can be a rotation player for 10-15 years, but I'm not seeing anything close to star material.