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The last couple posts from the previous thread:

closg00 wrote:Wow, Brian Zoubek has shot-up in the 2nd round on the latest DX mock, perhaps his strong rebounding numbers have helped him.

NbdyBeatsTheWiz wrote:if we go SG, I'm still very heavy on the Dominique Jones bandwagon... I'd much rather go SF though. Pondexter mostly if we're at 30 and he drops out of the 20s

And that sucks on Zoubek. I think he's what we need to a small extent, and would have been ecstatic if he went undrafted and we got him in our camp. Not trying to spend a pick on him in the 30s.

So, is there *any* possible way we can land both Cousins and Wall?

A core of Cousins/Blatche/Wall wins a title inside 5 seasons, no joke.



I think it all depends if the Kings go Monroe over Cousins - If Sacto is intent on picking Cousins #5, it's over; they have no interest in raw cap space, as they want to use cap space to get more picks just like we do.
If he does fall, then he could fall to Detroit at 7 (eat Rip's contract and send back Java?) or even to the Jazz at #9 (AK47 + #9 for NY). We could eat Maggette and take back #6 while sending back McGee.

Favors and Cousins are also expected to share a workout in Philadelphia on Friday, sources said, but they won’t go against each other.

John Grieg, the agent for Cousins, won’t send his client to workout for the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources say, because he believes the Wolves have decided to draft Syracuse small forward Wesley Johnson.

Cousins had an excellent workout with the Sacramento Kings, grading out as the best shooter to visit Sacramento in the predraft process. He hit 78 percent of his shots in the workout, including a lot of pick-and-pop attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=y ... sins061310

That certainly jives with DX's mock that has Cousins dropping to 6th, although the news that he shot well in his Sacto workout could mean that he goes 5th.

LyricalRico wrote:The last couple posts from the previous thread:

closg00 wrote:Wow, Brian Zoubek has shot-up in the 2nd round on the latest DX mock, perhaps his strong rebounding numbers have helped him.

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Another guy besides Zoubek that has jumped into the second round is Paulao Prestes. He might not be a bad use of the 35th pick. He basically sounds like a poor man's Cole Aldrich. He sounds in many ways like the perfect guy to platoon with McGee. He can play more against the bigger back to the basket guys that McGee struggles with.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Paulao-Prestes-1374/

going back to the end of the previous thread I like both
the Kansas guys if we were to get pick(s) high enough to
take them.

Aldrich has skills which I view as nicely complimentary to JM
and is attractive for that reason.

I think N1 will be a stronger candidate for minutes than
nearly any SG we might draft. I just don't see a rook coming
in and beating him out of his spot in the rotation.

I think N1 will be a stronger candidate for minutes than
nearly any SG we might draft. I just don't see a rook coming
in and beating him out of his spot in the rotation.[/quote]

I'm not so sure of this for a few reasons.

1) We are in full rebuild mode now. Flip should finally play the rooks (especially if we trade up to draft one) and give them as much as a chance as NY. NY sure has had plenty of chances.

2) NY makes it easy to get inside a coaches doghouse. If he's off a few nights in a row, and isn't providing help in other areas than scoring, he might find himself back on the bench.

3) NY still hasn't proved he can become a solid 6th man/scorer off the bench. I feel like he is stuck in the mindset that he should be a star and should be playing big minutes. He hasn't been as effective off the bench. A rookie like Henry, who was a role player on a great college team, may fit into this role better.

no chance we end up with henry, babbit, or george. if we do manage to get a top 15 pick, it's almost certain to go to drafting a center, be it Cousins, Whiteside, Monroe, Aldrich, or Udoh.

I highly doubt the Wiz select Whiteside, he's sooo redundant to McGee. He isn't a better prospect than McGee either. Also, I hear Whitesides workouts have been butcher. I see him and Daniel Orton dropping big time. Like I wouldn't be surprised if Orton goes around 45. Think Chris Taft with Dejuan Blairs knees. Maybe Whiteside would be a good selection at 35, but it really depends who else is on the board.

no D in Hibachi wrote:I highly doubt the Wiz select Whiteside, he's sooo redundant to McGee. He isn't a better prospect than McGee either. Also, I hear Whitesides workouts have been butcher. I see him and Daniel Orton dropping big time. Like I wouldn't be surprised if Orton goes around 45. Think Chris Taft with Dejuan Blairs knees. Maybe Whiteside would be a good selection at 35, but it really depends who else is on the board.

I think Aldrich is far and away the best fit for the Wiz when you're talking a late-lottery-to-mid-first big men because he provides what McGee/Blatche don't, with Patterson a close second as insurance for a Blatche meltdown. If we get a pick in that range and neither of those two are there, I would expect the Wiz to go for a SF.

[I said]I think N1 will be a stronger candidate for minutes than
nearly any SG we might draft. I just don't see a rook coming
in and beating him out of his spot in the rotation.[/quote]

mtrean2 wrote:I'm not so sure of this for a few reasons.

1) We are in full rebuild mode now. Flip should finally play the rooks (especially if we trade up to draft one) and give them as much as a chance as NY. NY sure has had plenty of chances.

2) NY makes it easy to get inside a coaches doghouse. If he's off a few nights in a row, and isn't providing help in other areas than scoring, he might find himself back on the bench.

3) NY still hasn't proved he can become a solid 6th man/scorer off the bench. I feel like he is stuck in the mindset that he should be a star and should be playing big minutes. He hasn't been as effective off the bench. A rookie like Henry, who was a role player on a great college team, may fit into this role better.

1. I don't totally agree that N1 has had plenty of chances. The best example I can
point to of this was how he DOMINATED DWade only to find himself out of the
starting lineup after a game this season. I can't say what happens off the court so there
may be reasons for this but I can't think of another comparable player who
has gotten jerked around the way N1 has. At the end of the year, N1 actually
was pretty consistent and solid at both ends.
2. To whatever extent that is true, isn't that more of a coaching issue?
But isn't just as likely that even a level-headed hi-BB-IQ rookie could fairly
expect the same treatment?
3. I simply don't agree that the actual data support you on this point.
In fact, I'm pretty sure the data doesn't support you.

edit to add
oops - I misread you - your concern about N1 being able to be a role/6th man
type is reasonable. Since you have to assume Gil and Wall will start, that
fact does raise questions about Nick. But I still think he's shown enough
to be given the benefit of the doubt compared to a rookie.

LyricalRico wrote:

no D in Hibachi wrote:I highly doubt the Wiz select Whiteside, he's sooo redundant to McGee. He isn't a better prospect than McGee either. Also, I hear Whitesides workouts have been butcher. I see him and Daniel Orton dropping big time. Like I wouldn't be surprised if Orton goes around 45. Think Chris Taft with Dejuan Blairs knees. Maybe Whiteside would be a good selection at 35, but it really depends who else is on the board.

I think Aldrich is far and away the best fit for the Wiz when you're talking a late-lottery-to-mid-first big men because he provides what McGee/Blatche don't, with Patterson a close second as insurance for a Blatche meltdown. If we get a pick in that range and neither of those two are there, I would expect the Wiz to go for a SF.

You guys have got to see Whiteside's interview with the Jazz....

http://www.nba.com/jazz/video/2010/06/0 ... index.html

....I'll let you form your own opinions.

Oh man. Just.....wow.

pancakes3 wrote:no chance we end up with henry, babbit, or george. if we do manage to get a top 15 pick, it's almost certain to go to drafting a center, be it Cousins, Whiteside, Monroe, Aldrich, or Udoh.

I think Monroe and Cousins are well outside of our potential draft range, even if we move up.

Udoh is really a power forward, and a lanky one at that. I've seen Damien James, an NBA small forward, guard him on the block with some success. I still could see us drafting him.

Whiteside, well, just watch the interview. I watched about three games of his and was shocked to see people projecting him in the top 10.

Aldrich I think we'd be all over, yeah.

All that said, and considering that we have a huge hole at small forward, I don't see how we could rule out drafting a wing.

As to the Nick Young debate further up the thread, I would prefer if we concede that Nick isn't the long term answer at the position and don't let him keep other younger prospects down based on his having three years of experience. About the only 'excitement' I have with him is that he might be able to do alright with Wall in that the ball won't be in his hands much. But I just think that guys complete lack of court sense limits what we're building as far as offensive cohesion.

Not a cornerstone type player and I think it would be a mistake to offer him an extension after this year no matter how well he does. This is not a guy we want making decisions in the 4th quarter of a playoff game three years from now.

LyricalRico wrote:

Favors and Cousins are also expected to share a workout in Philadelphia on Friday, sources said, but they won’t go against each other.

John Grieg, the agent for Cousins, won’t send his client to workout for the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources say, because he believes the Wolves have decided to draft Syracuse small forward Wesley Johnson.

Cousins had an excellent workout with the Sacramento Kings, grading out as the best shooter to visit Sacramento in the predraft process. He hit 78 percent of his shots in the workout, including a lot of pick-and-pop attempts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=y ... sins061310

That certainly jives with DX's mock that has Cousins dropping to 6th, although the news that he shot well in his Sacto workout could mean that he goes 5th.

Character issues and potential for weight gain notwithstanding, IMO Cousins is the best player in this draft. Great shooter but a better rebounder. Great offensive player who's also a good defensive player--despite the times he's slow getting back up court.

If the Wizards can move up to 6 and Cousins is there, they need to try to get him (along with Wall).

fishercob wrote:Oh man. Just.....wow.

I wasn't around during the peak of the Moses Malone era, but I understand he was similar to this. Any ole' timers recollect Moses and his comparison to the Whiteside interview? He'll be available for the Wizards at 30. No way DeAndre Jordan was going to drop to 37, but some how it happened. Whiteside isn't as good of a prospect as Jordan so I expect a similar slide.

IF Cousins is there at 6, I'd trade McGee+30+Ross for VladRad+Maggette+6. GSW saves a boatload of money for the impending sale, and gets a young center to boot. We agree to take on Maggette's crappy contract to get COusins, as well as VladRad's expiring deal.

NEW Wiz lineup:
PG: Wall/Arenas
SG: Arenas/Young
SF: Thorton/Maggette
PF: Blatche/VladRad
C: Cousins/Singleton

That team is a playoff team next year.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Character issues and potential for weight gain notwithstanding, IMO Cousins is the best player in this draft. Great shooter but a better rebounder. Great offensive player who's also a good defensive player--despite the times he's slow getting back up court.

If the Wizards can move up to 6 and Cousins is there, they need to try to get him (along with Wall).

The only way the Wiz could have the ammo to move up to the 6th would be if they acquire the 24th for Mo Evans, the 18th for James Jones, and then the 11th for Peja and the 24th. Then maybe the Wiz could turn the 11th, 18th and Javale into the 6th pick. All that said I still think the Warriers would rather have DC. We shall see.

Senator Llyod Bentson: Mr. Whiteside, I served with Moses Malone, I knew Moses Malone, Moses Malone was a friend of mine. Mr. Whiteside, you are no Moses Malone.

The problem with the Whiteside interview is that his reaction to the questions looks exactly like what I would have done had I been given a hostile interview by Chris Mathews when I was twelve years old.

It's not just that he sounds unpolished, he has no confidence at all.

He's not about to bust out with "Fo, fo, fo."

no D in Hibachi wrote:

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Character issues and potential for weight gain notwithstanding, IMO Cousins is the best player in this draft. Great shooter but a better rebounder. Great offensive player who's also a good defensive player--despite the times he's slow getting back up court.

If the Wizards can move up to 6 and Cousins is there, they need to try to get him (along with Wall).

The only way the Wiz could have the ammo to move up to the 6th would be if they acquire the 24th for Mo Evans, the 18th for James Jones, and then the 11th for Peja and the 24th. Then maybe the Wiz could turn the 11th, 18th and Javale into the 6th pick. All that said I still think the Warriers would rather have DC. We shall see.

Nope, only way IMO is to take back Maggette and VladRad. Utah fans proposed a potential McGee for 9 deal if Monroe isn't on the board. Perhaps we do a three way and send 9 to GSW, and agree to take back VladRad and Maggette?

no D in Hibachi wrote:The only way the Wiz could have the ammo to move up to the 6th would be if they acquire the 24th for Mo Evans, the 18th for James Jones, and then the 11th for Peja and the 24th. Then maybe the Wiz could turn the 11th, 18th and Javale into the 6th pick.

mhd wrote:Nope, only way IMO is to take back Maggette and VladRad.

It could easily be a hybrid of both of those ideas.