Arenas and Mcgee

[F1uxCapacit0r]

I'm just wondering what people expect from these two players.

I felt Mcgee played very well post jamison when he got playing time

is 10ppg / 9rpg / 2bpg out of the question or about right?

Arenas is a huge question mark for me. I dont know what Wiz front office thinks of him but aside from character and health issues what do you see him producing. since he will be playing more two guard i hope that will help his injury problems since he wont be pushing tempo

22ppg / 4rpg / 5apg is that being a little too optimistic?

[nate33]

Those number seem about right. Arenas might only average about 3-4 assists if Flip chooses to run his traditional, point-guard dominant offense with Wall as the primary ball handler.

Also, I think McGee might average more like 12-14 points. He'll get points on offensive rebounds, fast breaks, and because he's a gunner who never passes the ball once he touches it.

[verbal8]

I'm just wondering what people expect from these two players.

I felt Mcgee played very well post jamison when he got playing time

is 10ppg / 9rpg / 2bpg out of the question or about right?

The big question is he will do well on points and blocks on a per-minute basis.

I think the Wizards make the play-offs if McGee is getting 9 rpg. It would mean he is showing enough defensive awareness to increase his rebounding and keep his minutes up.

Arenas is a huge question mark for me. I dont know what Wiz front office thinks of him but aside from character and health issues what do you see him producing. since he will be playing more two guard i hope that will help his injury problems since he wont be pushing tempo

22ppg / 4rpg / 5apg is that being a little too optimistic?

20/3/3 would be my expectations. I think Hinrich and hopefully Nick Young eat into his minutes.

[F1uxCapacit0r]

thanks for the input

[AceDegenerate]

Wow.

Try 26/4/3 at a BARE MINIMUM barring injury.

They just can't resist clowning Arenas around here.

[Wizardspride]

Wow.

Try 26/4/3 at a BARE MINIMUM barring injury.

They just can't resist clowning Arenas around here.

I don't know about "clowning" Arenas but I tend to agree with your numbers for him.

[AceDegenerate]

20/3/3 would be my expectations. I think Hinrich and hopefully Nick Young eat into his minutes.

This is just outright clowning Arenas saying he will perform worse than he did in his first year as a Wizard.

[verbal8]

20/3/3 would be my expectations. I think Hinrich and hopefully Nick Young eat into his minutes.

This is just outright clowning Arenas saying he will perform worse than he did in his first year as a Wizard.

I don't think his per-minute production except assists drops off much from his career levels. While I see his per game numbers dropping I see his efficiency(higher fg%, fewer TOs) and possibly even steals increasing.

I expect his assists to drop off because the team has other play makers and play making will not be his role. Maybe he gets 4 rebounds a game. If he is getting 5 that means that the front court is likely screwing up and he is being forced to help on the boards. I could see 4 assists a game, but again much higher and it is a sign that some else is not doing their job(Wall and Hinrich).

Brandon Roy scored 21.5 ppg in 37 minutes. That scoring rate over 34 minutes is 20 ppg. I don't see that as a big insult.

[AceDegenerate]

Ignoring the fact still that Gilbert has bested those #'s BY FAR in every season since his first as a Wizard.

[nate33]

Ignoring the fact still that Gilbert has bested those #'s BY FAR in every season since his first as a Wizard.

Yes, but in a high-paced offense under Eddie Jordan when Arenas was the primary ball handler and first option scorer. Flip runs a more restrictive system and Arenas will be dependent on Wall and Hinrich to get him shots. I think 22 points per game under those conditions is a reasonable estimate.

[AceDegenerate]

Again, ignoring the fact that he averaged almost 23ppg as the primary distributor in a new offense, on a bum leg last season under Flip Saunders.

I stand by the fact that I think 26ppg is a bare minimum as the primary scorer on this team.

[Wizardspride]

Ignoring the fact still that Gilbert has bested those #'s BY FAR in every season since his first as a Wizard.

Yes, but in a high-paced offense under Eddie Jordan when Arenas was the primary ball handler and first option scorer. Flip runs a more restrictive system and Arenas will be dependent on Wall and Hinrich to get him shots. I think 22 points per game under those conditions is a reasonable estimate.

I think Gilbert will have the ball in his hands more than you believe.

It's not like we're just going to run him off picks all night ala Reggie Miller.

[Dat2U]

Those number seem about right. Arenas might only average about 3-4 assists if Flip chooses to run his traditional, point-guard dominant offense with Wall as the primary ball handler.

Also, I think McGee might average more like 12-14 points. He'll get points on offensive rebounds, fast breaks, and because he's a gunner who never passes the ball once he touches it.

I hope not. I thought the offense flowed so much better in those two guard sets used at the end of the year. Flip's offense seemed incredibly stale, unimaginative & predictable in the one guard sets.

Also I look at what they did in the VSL. Wall ran alot with Lester Hudson & Jerome Randle, two other PGs and their were occasions where they initiated the offense while Wall played off the ball. I especially liked where they'd have a screener on each side of free throw line extended and depending on how the defense played it, they'd have a ballhandler on each side to attack off dribble using the screen. It was like a two pronged attack that could come from either side and it seemed very effective for the most part.

[nate33]

I hope not as well, Dat2U. I like the two guard sets much better.

[Dat2U]

Again, ignoring the fact that he averaged almost 23ppg as the primary distributor in a new offense, on a bum leg last season under Flip Saunders.

I stand by the fact that I think 26ppg is a bare minimum as the primary scorer on this team.

I predict 24 ppg for Gil in another thread a while back. The biggest difference is Gil won't have the ball in his hands 90% of the time. Also I think Wall is being seriously underrated on here as a scorer. Wall IMO will no doubt have some 30+ scoring nights in the NBA and be one of the league leaders at getting to the line.

[AceDegenerate]

I remember many nights when both Arenas and Hughes (same for Butler, Jamison) hit at or right around 30 points, what does Wall scoring 30 have to do with Arenas? I don't see him dropping below 25PPG without sustaining another serious injury, no way no how.

[TheBabyMaker]

Theres not many big time scorers on this team or people who can really get you a basket when you need it. Until someone else proves wrong, I think Gil will be at 25/3/3.5/2 minimum.

As far as Mcgee, I don't care how much he scores. Just want him to be a better rebounder and help defender. 9/8/2.5 would be fine with me.

[hands11]

Again, ignoring the fact that he averaged almost 23ppg as the primary distributor in a new offense, on a bum leg last season under Flip Saunders.

I stand by the fact that I think 26ppg is a bare minimum as the primary scorer on this team.

I predict 24 ppg for Gil in another thread a while back. The biggest difference is Gil won't have the ball in his hands 90% of the time. Also I think Wall is being seriously underrated on here as a scorer. Wall IMO will no doubt have some 30+ scoring nights in the NBA and be one of the league leaders at getting to the line.

So why did we start another Gil thread when we already had one. And there is a McGee thread.

Just reading through this one, seems like a repeat of everything that was said in the other ones.

I guess we could have separate combo threads for either thing.

Mcgee and Dray
Gil and Kirk
Kirk and Wall
Gil and Nick

I just don't see the point in starting that.

[JonathanJoseph]

I have a hard time seeing anything short of 25 ppg.

People seem to be forgetting that Arenas' numbers in the past were certainly part of a quick shot offense, but he was also being double and triple teamed at all times.

Having defenses focus on John Wall will make Gilbert Arenas BETTER as he'll get open looks and easy baskets. Remember in VSL how much better Wall made his teammates? That's why he's got "it" as a PG.

I can't wait for the Wall/Arenas backcourt.

[Brenice]

Actually, I think Wall will benefit from Gil just like Gil benefiting from Wall. If he only does this, Gil stretches the defense. That helps create penetration lanes for Wall. Remember the Gil/DeShawn or Gil/Jeffries backcourt. To penetrate, Gil had to split a lot of cheating guards, that were dropping off the DeShawn/Jeffries.