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Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET

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Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#1 » by RickRoll_inDC » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:39 am

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Who: Washington Wizards at Atlanta Hawks
Where: Atlanta- Philips Arena
When: October 30, 2010- 7:00 p.m. ET

TV:Comcast Sportsnet

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__Wall____Hinrich___Thornton___Blatche__ McGee
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__Bibby___Johnson___Williams____Smith____Horford

Key Matchup
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Kirk Hinrich

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Joe Johnson
Kirk Hinrich is the most experienced healthy player on the team. Also, he is the best perimeter defender. In order for the Wizards to be competitive without two of their best players in Gilbert Arenas and Josh Howard, it is necessary to contain other teams' best scorers. This game in particular, being Joe Johnson.

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Cartier Martin proved to be an explosive scorer off of the bench in the first game of the season at Orlando. Without an ultimate go-to scorer like Gilbert Arenas, someone needs to step up and be that surprise scorer off of the bench to spark the Wizards. With 17 points in his first game, Martin should be an even bigger option since coach Flip Saunders should have taken notice that Cartier was a very effective scorer on Thursday.

THE OLD MAN FROM SCENE 24 Answer Me These Questions Three
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Can John Wall find his jump shot?

Will Javale McGee look even remotely competent on defense?

Will Ji actually get to make the game thread for the home opener?
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 

Post#2 » by montestewart » Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:12 am

Atlanta has multiple quality bigs, but they don't have Howard. I'll be looking for McGee and Blatche, regardless of their deficiencies, to show a little more of what they can do. Even if Arenas were healthy, this is not a team I would want to see that three guard set with. Looking for a continuation of what Booker and Cartier showed glimpses of in first game.
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 

Post#3 » by Rafael122 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:34 am

Atlanta is coming off a back to back but I think we're going to get creamed.
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 

Post#4 » by pineappleheadindc » Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:41 am

Nice game thread, I hope you help us go on a long winning streak.

I like the key match-up. This could be a game where we get to see just how good of a defensive player Hinrich is. I'm sure beyond Joe Johnson, he (Hinrich) will also spend time checking Jamal Crawford.

I don't know how well Javale is going to do with Horford on the defensive end.

But the thing that is really maddening about the Wizards is that they'll let somebody like Zaza Pachulia come in and torch us for a dozen points or so.

If Etan gets playing time for them, it means we're toast as he's the human celebratory cigar.

Wall vs Bibby - young lightning vs smart and cagey.

I'm a fan - unabashedly so. Wall and Blatche have great games. Hinrich shows why he's known as a defensive stopper. Nick Young accidentally stumbles into one of his hot shooting games for 22 points (but zero rebounds and zero assists).

The Wiz wear down Joe Johnson and Bibby (who are aging and played Friday night in a win vs philly) with Wall's speed and a 3/4 court press and escape ATL with a 3 point win.

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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 

Post#5 » by RickRoll_inDC » Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:45 am

Thanks Pine. I can't use my old format with bigger player pictures and having both logos fitting on the top, but whatever.

As for the game- my other key matchup was Wall vs. Bibby. Bibby's the crafty veteran (so much of a veteran that I didn't even know that he was still in the league) who might be able to get into Wall's head defensively a little bit. But if anything, Wall should be able to outplay him solely on size as well.
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#6 » by JWizmentality » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:10 am

God, I hope Martin starts.

I want Gil and Howard back. :cry:
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#7 » by RickRoll_inDC » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:44 am

I'm all for Martin starting. I posted an unofficial starting lineup, but based on how Flip pulled Cartier just after he had 5 or 7 really quick points doesn't bode well for him to start this game.
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#8 » by closg00 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:17 am

gilbertgoes05 wrote:I'm all for Martin starting. I posted an unofficial starting lineup, but based on how Flip pulled Cartier just after he had 5 or 7 really quick points doesn't bode well for him to start this game.


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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#9 » by pineappleheadindc » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:35 am

I'm going to be out and can't watch the game live - but DVR is okay, I guess.

My real question is about Buckhantz. Old timers, do you remember that Buck used to have "Backbreaker!" in his arsenal. What the heck happened to that? Is he getting lazy? Even his "daggers!" don't have the same level of enthusiasm and verve.

I'm willing to let Donkey take a couple of games at play-by-play along with Phil to see if the TV experience can be improved any.
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#10 » by RickRoll_inDC » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:51 am

pineappleheadindc wrote:I'm going to be out and can't watch the game live - but DVR is okay, I guess.

My real question is about Buckhantz. Old timers, do you remember that Buck used to have "Backbreaker!" in his arsenal. What the heck happened to that? Is he getting lazy? Even his "daggers!" don't have the same level of enthusiasm and verve.

I'm willing to let Donkey take a couple of games at play-by-play along with Phil to see if the TV experience can be improved any.


You would think that he'd be more enthusiastic about his "Daggers" since there were only 20 some games last year to do it in.

Either that or he's just out of practice with the lack of daggers in the first place?
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#11 » by RickRoll_inDC » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:54 am

Just played the game on 2K11.

I won 79-71 with 7 minute quarters.

Wall had 19 and 9 asst.
Hinrich had 9 3 asst.

Biggest story of the game- Cartier Martin with 19 points including 2 BIG 3's at the end of the game to close it out.

I got destroyed by Johnson and Bibby who combined for 45 points and 6-10 from 3.
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#12 » by hands11 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:20 pm

I'm still wide open an hopeful for this team. We are so early in this rebuilding process still. The keys to me are finding our baseline and then to evaluate which players show the most ability to progress. So key to that is getting some tape to study and teach from.

I feel good about our leaders and that paint my outlook right now. I find no need to draw any negative conclusions. Specially when there is so much room for hope and we only played one game and it was sadly against Orlando who is a terrible match up for us. Season opener just made it 50x worse.

Fear of a slow start is what made the productions this year so hard. The key will be not falling to far behind while we are finding our baseline and getting some tape.

I feel a lot better since they kept Martin and Hudson around because I have no faith in Nick on any given night and this gives us more flexibility with the guards which will help them gel quicker. Martin should be backing up AT, which he did, and Hudson should be used as a change of pace at PG so Kirk can get some minutes at the two until Gil is ready. I think Nick should be buried on the bench right now. He just isn't mature or reliable enough. We have time to raise his value before the trade deadline. We don't need to play him right now. For me, I done with Nick. I'd rather see what we have in Martin and scan for his replacement.

I'm already past the ORL game. I give it very little weight. It was pretty much the worst situation for an opener. The good news from the game is Wall continues to show he is a fast learner. By the second half he was doing a better job of closing the space they were giving him. With that he will put more pressure on the D to drive, pass or shoot closer to the basket and be able to pump fake for some shooting fouls. I doubt he has a worse shooting night. He has a decent stoke so it will come. I think he was just off and a little nervous adjust to the increase speed and competition. First game may not have looked great for him but he still dished out 9 assists. Not bad for a rookie PG.

Dray - I have little doubt he is going to find his game. He had some good open outside shoots. He just missed. And with little to no post options for him to get it rolling, well, we saw what happened. He was doubled a lot. Then he got a crap call by the refs and had 3 fouls.

McGee - I'm not going to come down to hard on him. We know our concerns we have with him and we know he can get better this year. But Howard was the worst match up for him. What I hope is that Flip also gets Yi, Seraphin, Armstrong, Booker, and Hamady as much time as he can spare. I'm pretty sure McGee won't be able to pull it off alone, so we need to get these guys experience to to see who else can be a least be somewhat steady in helping in any way. Plus we need to see who learns the quickest. Hamady is likely going to be inactive before long so I hope he get on the court a few times so he gets a taste and we can get some tape. Seraphin is a sleeper key. If we can just get him playing strong and rebounding, that would be a huge help. We need post toughness desperately. Even a little taste should help him progress and give the coaches some tape to work from.

Lots to evaluate here over the first 5-10 games. I'm going to be looking for the good and the progress while hoping for some wins. Kind of how I watch the Skins right now.
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#13 » by queridiculo » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:59 pm

Would be nice to see Martin get some burn as the starting SF for this squad.
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#14 » by Wizards2Lottery » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:37 pm

gilbertgoes05 wrote:Just played the game on 2K11.

I won 79-71 with 7 minute quarters.

Wall had 19 and 9 asst.
Hinrich had 9 3 asst.

Biggest story of the game- Cartier Martin with 19 points including 2 BIG 3's at the end of the game to close it out.

I got destroyed by Johnson and Bibby who combined for 45 points and 6-10 from 3.


Cartier's 3 point shot is NASTY in 2k11. I own people with him online. Get him on the fast break and kick it out to him for a transition three. I've scored 30+ pts with him on multiple occasions. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#15 » by miller31time » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:48 pm

pineappleheadindc wrote:My real question is about Buckhantz. Old timers, do you remember that Buck used to have "Backbreaker!" in his arsenal. What the heck happened to that? Is he getting lazy? Even his "daggers!" don't have the same level of enthusiasm and verve.


The daggers have been less enthusiastic because 90% of the time last season, they were used as the other team nailed a clutch shot that put them over the top. Not as easy to get excited watching the other team put the nail in the coffin.

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Post#16 » by miller31time » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:49 pm

You know it's rough times when fans say things like....

JWizmentality wrote:God, I hope Martin starts.
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Post#17 » by miller31time » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:51 pm

As I said in the Wizards/Magic game thread, we're going to lose this game. But it's how we lose it that will determine personal satisfaction.

Can the youngins play some inspired ball, toughen up defensively and move the ball on offense (taking smart shots)? Or will we be playing one-on-one on offense and matador defense?

I'll start expecting wins when Gilbert and Howard are back and healthy. Until then, I'm absolutely fine with simply watching our team play hard and act like they care.
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Post#18 » by closg00 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:03 pm

miller31time wrote:As I said in the Wizards/Magic game thread, we're going to lose this game. But it's how we lose it that will determine personal satisfaction.

Can the youngins play some inspired ball, toughen up defensively and move the ball on offense (taking smart shots)? Or will we be playing one-on-one on offense and matador defense?

I'll start expecting wins when Gilbert and Howard are back and healthy. Until then, I'm absolutely fine with simply watching our team play hard and act like they care.


In addition, I am interested to see how Flip coaches this year, how the draft-picks are used, and will we make use of the D-League in any way.
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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#19 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:42 pm

pineappleheadindc wrote:I'm going to be out and can't watch the game live - but DVR is okay, I guess.

My real question is about Buckhantz. Old timers, do you remember that Buck used to have "Backbreaker!" in his arsenal. What the heck happened to that? Is he getting lazy? Even his "daggers!" don't have the same level of enthusiasm and verve.

I'm willing to let Donkey take a couple of games at play-by-play along with Phil to see if the TV experience can be improved any.



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Re: Wizards @ Hawks: October 30, 2010 7:00 p.m. ET 

Post#20 » by KiNgSbOi » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:02 pm

I think this is going to be another blowout, not as big as the Orlando game, but Atlanta should be up 15+ for most of the game. They always give the Wiz fits anyways so I just hope they play harder than they "attempted" to on Thurs. JJ will get his as will Horford.

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