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According to Chris Webber, 75-year old Pete Carrill said DeMarcus Cousins is the most talented individual he's ever worked with.

Paul Westphal loves his passion and says when he learns go take his time, and when he stops trying to do too much, Cousins can be very, very good.

Chris Webber and Reggie Miller say he needs to lose weight (10-15 pounds) and to stop complaining. That attitude will get him in trouble all his career. Webber compared Cousins' passing to Divac'. Miller said of their criticisms DeMarcus' people and he will see what he needs to work on.

I posted this because we had a lot of discussion about who would be the better rookie,

Just a couple weeks back I concluded I was real wrong. However, Cousins has dramatically improved.

Comments on who is a more dominating rookie now?

Still Wall. Cousins has to prove more to me that he can keep his head on straight over the stretch of the season. He'll have a good stretch of games like he is now, but then he could go out and do something stupid to disrupt team chemistry.

At the end of the day, one guy being better than the other in their rookie year is a moot point imo. Over the long stretch is where I find real value in Wall. I still have a bad gut feeling about Cousins, it's the same feeling I get with a guy like Blatche. Has all the talent in the world but is missing the drive and attitude of a professional.

Wall looks like a future superstar. Cousins looks like a low post scorer who can dominate but is not dependable (fouls, defense, attitude). Nothing's changed since the draft.

Cousins in this team's locker room instead of Wall??? Ha! You've got to be kidding me CCJ. You think its bad now? It goes way beyond the stat sheet bro.

I would still take Wall although he's a lot more rough around the edges than I thought. Wall still has A LOT of room to improve on the defensive end; hopefully that will improve with time. While he does turn the ball over a lot, he has improved a lot. Even his assist to turnover ratio is better in the NBA than it was in college.

Wall by far. It shouldn't even be a discussion really.

I'd say wall is the better rookie sans the injuries. But you know CCj I was with you predraft yelling that we should get cousins because we would really need him. | saw the indications that teams were not going to pick him early. Philly ended up with evans. jersey ended up with favors. Both nothing special and wes johnson to minnesota. I felt we could have given something to these teams in order to draft cousins who i felt we would really need down low on the rebounding side and low post scoring. Things we were yelling for Blatche to do now. Now it may not be even possible to trade Blatche for Cousins but we could have traded blatche for the number 2 or 3 pick and get cousins. I've seen a few 16 rebound games from him and i'm sure this guy is going to be good. He's going to be rated somewhere like an Andrew Bynum. Also I don't mind him in this locker room along with wall. They have played together succesfully and like each other still. My hope is wall attracts him here the way wade attracted bosh and lebron from the same draft class.

cousins is good where many thought i was crazy to say he would. No one wanted to even hear about him. I wanted both players and I think we could have gotten them if we gave up something for him. It's in the past though and that ship has sailed. I'm currently just looking at the new draft players though to form oppinions on them.

I saw a little bit of the Kings game last night. Just like the first 5-7 minutes of it, on one play Cousins m issed a shot and then lowered his head and ran to the other side of the court, but he looked so dejected that he missed a shot, almost sulking. Just that stuff alone would piss me off. It's OK to miss a shot, there's no need to get all depressed about it and have it affect your play. Cousins would have benefitted from another year of college, at least to grow as a person, but what are you gonna do.

raf u must have hated rookie nick young then

willbcocks wrote:Wall looks like a future superstar. Cousins looks like a low post scorer who can dominate but is not dependable (fouls, defense, attitude). Nothing's changed since the draft.

Landry Fields was East rookie of the month. He is crucial right now to a winning team's success. He is more impactful than Wall if for no other reasons than he lets the game come to him.

http://www.nba.com/rookieladder/

See where this link rates Wall.

Dat2U wrote:Cousins in this team's locker room instead of Wall??? Ha! You've got to be kidding me CCJ. You think its bad now? It goes way beyond the stat sheet bro.

Please explain how the Kings are now winning by running the offense through Cousins. Aside from maturity issues the #1 comment on Cousins from his teammates is he wants to win badly. Dat, I think he's more of a winner than either Wizard big and is able to change games NOW at both ends.

http://www.nba.com/rookieladder/

If you think I'm tripping, read this ranking.

Rafael122 wrote:I saw a little bit of the Kings game last night. Just like the first 5-7 minutes of it, on one play Cousins m issed a shot and then lowered his head and ran to the other side of the court, but he looked so dejected that he missed a shot, almost sulking. Just that stuff alone would piss me off. It's OK to miss a shot, there's no need to get all depressed about it and have it affect your play. Cousins would have benefitted from another year of college, at least to grow as a person, but what are you gonna do.

He also argued and got a tech. He really acts out and loses his head. Complains about every call, like Garnett. Raf, I also saw him learn very quickly after the tech. The next time a ref made a call against him, no expressions--he just got back on defense without complaining.

His coach seems to really be on him in a good way, too. I watched that entire game.

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:raf u must have hated rookie nick young then

Can't remember that far back, but what pissed me off about Nick was that he was always smiling. Stop smiling so damn much. McNabb does the same ****, he smiles after an incompletion. Why? This is your job, you don't see everyone else smiling. Wade? Lebron? They don't smile. It only took 4 years for Nick to realize this.

arterimal wrote:Wall by far. It shouldn't even be a discussion really.

If it is not worth discussing how is Wall ranked fourth in T Mobile's rookie ranking and Cousins second?

http://www.nba.com/rookieladder/

Wall has missed like 11 games for one...

Wall.

Close thread.

BruceO wrote:I'd say wall is the better rookie sans the injuries. But you know CCj I was with you predraft yelling that we should get cousins because we would really need him. | saw the indications that teams were not going to pick him early. Philly ended up with evans. jersey ended up with favors. Both nothing special and wes johnson to minnesota. I felt we could have given something to these teams in order to draft cousins who i felt we would really need down low on the rebounding side and low post scoring. Things we were yelling for Blatche to do now. Now it may not be even possible to trade Blatche for Cousins but we could have traded blatche for the number 2 or 3 pick and get cousins. I've seen a few 16 rebound games from him and i'm sure this guy is going to be good. He's going to be rated somewhere like an Andrew Bynum. Also I don't mind him in this locker room along with wall. They have played together succesfully and like each other still. My hope is wall attracts him here the way wade attracted bosh and lebron from the same draft class.

 cousins is good where many thought i was crazy to say he would. No one wanted to even hear about him. I wanted both players and I think we could have gotten them if we gave up something for him. It's in the past though and that ship has sailed. I'm currently just looking at the new draft players though to form oppinions on them.

BruceO, you were among the few who believed on Cousins.  You are right recalling many didn't want to even discuss him.  What's funny is now a lot want now want to trade Blatche for Cousins.  :)

I have no problem with Wall better sans the injuries.  I wonder about Wall's durability over the long haul.  

My position is Wall is a Blake Griffin-like PG with respect to athleticism. But his defense is fair to poor and he gets destroyed by guys like Rose and Paul.  Wall needs a lot of time before he dominates.   Cousins is too heavy to be elite and too emotional for his own good.   That said, Cousins is an intense defender, a great passer, and he can score. Just this past few games he is dominating.  Watching him defend Nene and how he abused Birdman in the post I was blown away.

Wall's a better physical talent but Cousins really knows how to play.  BruceO, I also hope Wall attracts Cousins to DC.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:

arterimal wrote:Wall by far. It shouldn't even be a discussion really.

If it is not worth discussing how is Wall ranked fourth in T Mobile's rookie ranking and Cousins second?

http://www.nba.com/rookieladder/

i think these rankings are right on. i mean, in my eyes cousins is a damn rare talent. i would give up anyone on the team outside wall to acquire him... but i think the general concern around here is his character issues. maybe he has none, who really knows?.. but i think were all a little sensitive to players with character issues, seeing how we have been riddled with low character, low bball iq players as of late

TGW wrote:Wall.

Close thread.

People with closed minds and PERHAPS a desire to kill the messenger are one of the reasons this board is not nearly as good as in the past. I say if you're capable, open mind, TGW. Don't stop me from entertaining the thought with others.

Where does Cousins rank among rookies in points, rebounds, and minutes played?

How does someone who gets paid to rate rookies have Wall rated behind Cousins? (see NBA.com T mobile rookie ladder).

People on this board who do not like to give supportive evidence or who ignore quotes from experts, statistics, wins with Cousins dominating in the fourth, and who are smug enough to be dismissive do not impress me, TGW.

John Wall simply hasn't been here long enough. Once he's off his rookie contract the haters will all come rolling in with their I told you so's and trades for overpaid scrubs.

All I can say about Wall is that I do not see a Winner in him. I see way more LeBron than Kobe in Wall, which to me means he will be looking to bolt to the next Miami Heat long before he gives a damn about turning the Wiz into the next Lakers.