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I think this season more than makes up for all the past seasons of less-than-favorable deals. (I know getting Caron and Gil and others were postive moves).

What Ernie has done in getting Crawford for Hinrich--with another pick to follow (!???) is really outstanding.

Booker exceeded expectations and played like a round pick one after all. I second guessed EG trading up for a player projected round two. IMO Booker actually played better than where he was selected. Credit EG on a very solid selection.

Past picks like McGee and Young have shown worthiness. Blatche, for as bad as his season has been with injury and poor performances, just set a franchise record with 16 offensive rebounds. He is and Nick are the oldest of the future guys at 24 and 25 years old! McGee is 23 and now playing like an all star C. Jordan Crawford is playing as well as Wall did in some of Wall's best games. He is 22. Wall is 20.

FAs like Jeffers and Shakur have come in and shown they belong in the league with hustle and veteran poise.

Veterans who needed other opportunities were released or traded to better situations. (Butler, Haywood, Stevenson, Jamison, Hinrich, Thornton).

Flip Saunders has grown into a patient, supportive coach through all the change.

I do not know what the future holds for Ernie, but the man's done a darned good job rebuilding!

Still April 1st I guess.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:What Ernie has done in getting Crawford for Hinrich--with another pick to follow (!???) is really outstanding.

To really get a sense of a good deal, you have to draw your line to the start of the deal.

Ernie got Hinrich originally from Chicago, + Kevin Seraphin + cash money for nothing.

Then turned the free asset he got (Hinrich) into Jordan Crawford + ATL first round pick.

So...for absolutely NOTHING (technically, rights to Vladimir Veremeenko, who'll never play in the NBA), Ernie got:

1/2 year of Hinrich (with cash to reduce the salary hit)
2010 first round pick (#17) Kevin Seraphin
2010 first round pick (#27) Jordan Crawford
2011 first round pick from ATL

That's really good.

But CCJ, I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's done a good job of rebuilding. It's a work in progress. Let's wait to see how this all turns out first.

I just wanted to amplify your enthusiasm for how the various Hinrich-related deals of turned out for us.

He's done enough to save his job, which is all you can ask for at this point.

Lets not forget the move he made that could have killed the team for a decade by extending Jamison and Arenas when the team was clearly going nowhere...

If we hadn't lucked into Wall we'd be beyond awful with NO hope, and could potentially have held onto Arenas as well.

With that said he's made up for a move that should have gotten ANYONE fired with some moves that unbelievable...

Those two cancel each other out and he gets to continue with the franchise. Hopefully this draft is a smash hit and we can put the past behind us!

pineappleheadindc wrote:

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:What Ernie has done in getting Crawford for Hinrich--with another pick to follow (!???) is really outstanding.

To really get a sense of a good deal, you have to draw your line to the start of the deal.

Ernie got Hinrich originally from Chicago, + Kevin Seraphin + cash money for nothing.

Then turned the free asset he got (Hinrich) into Jordan Crawford + ATL first round pick.

So...for absolutely NOTHING (technically, rights to Vladimir Veremeenko, who'll never play in the NBA), Ernie got:

1/2 year of Hinrich (with cash to reduce the salary hit)
2010 first round pick (#17) Kevin Seraphin
2010 first round pick (#27) Jordan Crawford
2011 first round pick from ATL

That's really good.

To expand on this, that trade may be the best BOYD trade the Wizards will see, but it shows how much potentially to be gained in such trades. Hinrich worked well because it was a mid-level rather upper-level salary and he was a useful veteran that might be attractive to other teams in trade but could fill a role here in the meantime.

It's also worth reminding how little the Bibby buyout cost the Wizards.

I still don't trust him. We can do much better at GM... Ernie is competent but he is merely an average GM.

But I'll give him credit for fixing the mess of a situation he created by creating a fresh slate with some promise... though the luck in getting Wall will help with anyone

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1042732

Youll can start a new thread if you want but we have hashed this out already over here.

Yes, you'll are on record

Quite honestly, hands, you're begging for me to lock that darn "Everything that has ever happened to the Wizards since November 24, 2009 belongs here" thread. It's a silly concept.

In fact, what do you want me to do. Merge every thread since November 24, 2009 into that thread? Because that's what you imply with the thread title.

I'm gonna sleep on it. But if I feel like this tomorow, it's getting locked.

Who said anything about merging anything ?

hands11 wrote:http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1042732

Youll can start a new thread if you want but we have hashed this out already over here.

Yes, you'll are on record

Priceless Hands, you linking to a thread you had started when of-course there were plenty of existing Ernie Grunfeld threads, In-fact CCJ's thread could easily be merged with one of those.

Man, Santa Ted is handing out compliments like gifts on Christmas Eve. Here's a shiny new "attaboy" for EG:

http://www.tedstake.com/2011/04/06/a-good-one-3/

I give our President of Basketball Operations high grades in executing upon our rebuild to date.

I am excited and psyched by our quick pivot into our future.

We have developed a strong working relationship.

We are on the same page.

We are even having fun.

Ted's post is in affirmation of Jason Reid's WaPo column, also supporting EG.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nb ... story.html

I know Grunfeld has made mistakes in leading the Wizards to this point. Still, it’s not time for a major shakeup in Washington’s basketball operation, particularly because Grunfeld has performed well recently. He has made enough of the right moves this season to warrant continued control.

Grunfeld, whose contract expires after the 2012 season, has worked effectively within the confines of owner Ted Leonsis’s plan to rebuild the Wizards. He’s off to a good start in the first year of a project with no end date listed.

Leonsis declined to comment about Grunfeld, saying through a spokesman he would evaluate the Wizards’ entire operation after the season.

I guess Ted prefers to have full control over the message by putting this out via his blog...

Man, the standards are shockingly low around here. It sure doesn't take much to please folks. Only in a market with such an apathetic fan base and local media could a GM like Ernie Grunfeld be given a pass for such a mediocre at best run. No where else would he be held in such high regard.

BTW, Jason Reid's columns have been brutal pieces of work. For the most part they've been uninspiring and incredibly tepid. I don't think he's quite comfortable yet with the idea that he's supposed to have an opinion.

I wouldn't mind riding his contract out, he's done an above average job since the ownership change...

But he better don't mess up this draft; Say no to high potential, low bball IQ players!!!

Dat2U wrote:Man, the standards are shockingly low around here. It sure doesn't take much to please folks. Only in a market with such an apathetic fan base and local media could a GM like Ernie Grunfeld be given a pass for such a mediocre at best run. No where else would he be held in such high regard.

BTW, Jason Reid's columns have been brutal pieces of work. For the most part they've been uninspiring and incredibly tepid. I don't think he's quite comfortable yet with the idea that he's supposed to have an opinion.

Well-said Hands, the extremely low expectations of the Wizard fan where mediocrity and an occasional decent move are greeted with hero-worship.

Dat2U wrote:Man, the standards are shockingly low around here. It sure doesn't take much to please folks. Only in a market with such an apathetic fan base and local media could a GM like Ernie Grunfeld be given a pass for such a mediocre at best run. No where else would he be held in such high regard.

BTW, Jason Reid's columns have been brutal pieces of work. For the most part they've been uninspiring and incredibly tepid. I don't think he's quite comfortable yet with the idea that he's supposed to have an opinion.

Seconded, that article was turrble.

Zonkerbl wrote:

Dat2U wrote:Man, the standards are shockingly low around here. It sure doesn't take much to please folks. Only in a market with such an apathetic fan base and local media could a GM like Ernie Grunfeld be given a pass for such a mediocre at best run. No where else would he be held in such high regard.

BTW, Jason Reid's columns have been brutal pieces of work. For the most part they've been uninspiring and incredibly tepid. I don't think he's quite comfortable yet with the idea that he's supposed to have an opinion.

Seconded, that article was turrble.

Thirded. Man, WaPo has a weak lineup of columnists these days. Wise is decent, and I guess Boz maintains a certain inertia on the baseball front (although now that DC finally has a team again, he's some of his edge). But Hamilton and Reid are pretty bland, and Jenkins has been aggressively stinky for some time now. I know folks on this board like to take pot shots at Wilbon and TK, but WaPo could certainly use two columnists of their caliber right about now.

keynote wrote:

Zonkerbl wrote:

Dat2U wrote:Man, the standards are shockingly low around here. It sure doesn't take much to please folks. Only in a market with such an apathetic fan base and local media could a GM like Ernie Grunfeld be given a pass for such a mediocre at best run. No where else would he be held in such high regard.

BTW, Jason Reid's columns have been brutal pieces of work. For the most part they've been uninspiring and incredibly tepid. I don't think he's quite comfortable yet with the idea that he's supposed to have an opinion.

Seconded, that article was turrble.

Thirded. Man, WaPo has a weak lineup of columnists these days. Wise is decent, and I guess Boz maintains a certain inertia on the baseball front (although now that DC finally has a team again, he's some of his edge). But Hamilton and Reid are pretty bland, and Jenkins has been aggressively stinky for some time now. I know folks on this board like to take pot shots at Wilbon and TK, but WaPo could certainly use two columnists of their caliber right about now.

As much as his conclusions would irritate me, I would usually read Wilbon. If Wise has written something, I usually read that. However he is the only WaPost sports columnist worth reading consistently.

I agree on Jason Reid and the other Post columnists. There are two worth reading: Bosworth and Sally Jenkins. Every time I read Hamilton, I want those minutes of my life back. Wise is okay now and then. But it's not the Kornheiser-Wilbon-Bosworth lineup of yesteryear.

Nivek wrote:I agree on Jason Reid and the other Post columnists. There are two worth reading: Bosworth and Sally Jenkins. Every time I read Hamilton, I want those minutes of my life back. Wise is okay now and then. But it's not the Kornheiser-Wilbon-Bosworth lineup of yesteryear.

I am a Sally Jenkins hater because she works for the Post and lives in New York, F- her.