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It's shaping up to be a good one.

In those most recent edition of the "2011 Draft Blather"we've started to discuss (or re-discuss) Beal, Austin Rivers, Barnes, and Anthony Davis's indomitable uni-brow.



The thing even has it's own Facebook page!

The draft of a million and one wing players. Leverage that pick for a big man.

Ooh, the unibrow looks nasty, but Davis is a helluva talent - especially if he adds some meat to those bones. If he doesn't, he's still Bosh quality.

I want the pick. I really love this draft. At the end of the day, I have a real hard time imagining many of the guys on our roster except Wall being more valuable than any player we could select on draft day '12 so long as we have a top 8 or so pick, and the new CBA doesn't limit players moving to the NBA till after their second college season.

The Consiglieri wrote:I want the pick. I really love this draft. At the end of the day, I have a real hard time imagining many of the guys on our roster except Wall being more valuable than any player we could select on draft day '12 so long as we have a top 8 or so pick, and the new CBA doesn't limit players moving to the NBA till after their second college season.

So what order do you rank players for the Wizards? I think the consenus top 11 for the Wizards would include, Andre Drummond (likely not available in 2012), Harrison Barnes, Anthony Davis, Jared Sullinger, James McAdoo, Quincy Miller, Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Bradley Beal, Austin Rivers, Michael Gilchrist.

Of those picks:

Drummond isn't likely to be eligible.
Michael Gilchrist makes Singleton and or Vesely redundant, and isn't particularly skilled offensively.
Perry Jones is, IMHO, a less talented Vesely
Miller has his ACL concerns
Sullinger is likely to be very good, but generally considered unlikely to be a star.

Do you like any or all of those players' potential value better than McGee's? What about the rest of the guys on the list?

I think I like Drummond > Davis > Barnes > Beal > Sullinger > Lamb > Rivers = Gilchrist = McAdoo = Miller > Jones

theboomking wrote:

The Consiglieri wrote:I want the pick. I really love this draft. At the end of the day, I have a real hard time imagining many of the guys on our roster except Wall being more valuable than any player we could select on draft day '12 so long as we have a top 8 or so pick, and the new CBA doesn't limit players moving to the NBA till after their second college season.

So what order do you rank players for the Wizards? I think the consenus top 11 for the Wizards would include, Andre Drummond (likely not available in 2012), Harrison Barnes, Anthony Davis, Jared Sullinger, James McAdoo, Quincy Miller, Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Bradley Beal, Austin Rivers, Michael Gilchrist.

Of those picks:

Drummond isn't likely to be eligible.
Michael Gilchrist makes Singleton and or Vesely redundant, and isn't particularly skilled offensively.
Perry Jones is, IMHO, a less talented Vesely
Miller has his ACL concerns
Sullinger is likely to be very good, but generally considered unlikely to be a star.

Do you like any or all of those players' potential value better than McGee's? What about the rest of the guys on the list?

I think I like Drummond > Davis > Barnes > Beal > Sullinger > Lamb > Rivers = Gilchrist = McAdoo = Miller > Jones

P. Jones is way more talented than Vesely. They're the same height, but Jones is a a better ball-handler, more skilled in the post, and a slightly better shooter. Vesely isn't skilled I don't think he'll ever be a 20 ppg scorer like Jones can be.

I know this vid is from HS, but he shows way more skills than Vesely ever has.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quxsxSe1YTo[/youtube]

Now I'm not saying Jones is some kind of can't miss prospect either. He has a questionable motor, isn't aggressive, soft, and is still pretty raw, but he's a better prospect than Vesely. I think he has Rudy Gay Lamarcus Aldridge-potential.

7-Day Dray wrote: P. Jones is way more talented than Vesely. They're the same height, but Jones is a a better ball-handler, more skilled in the post, and a slightly better shooter. Vesely isn't skilled I don't think he'll ever be a 20 ppg scorer like Jones can be.

I know this vid is from HS, but he shows way more skills than Vesely ever has.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quxsxSe1YTo[/youtube]

Now I'm not saying Jones is some kind of can't miss prospect either. He has a questionable motor, isn't aggressive, soft, and is still pretty raw, but he's a better prospect than Vesely. I think he has Rudy Gay Lamarcus Aldridge-potential.

Perry Jones is soooo much more talented based on a 1:30 second AAU mix tape. Remind me why Perry Jones didn't even win in high school if he is so good? Where was all of that ball handling last year at Baylor? People loved Jones because they though that he could be a tremendous mismatch at SF. It is pretty obvious now that the Tracy McGrady comparison was laughable, and that Jones is a PF that doesn't rebound or defend very well.

Iffff Jones hits his utmost ceiling, he might be better than Vesely. Jones has however shown no sign that he is even going to sniff the level we'd all like to see him attain. Whatever, "it" is, Jones doesn't appear to have it. I do agree with you that Jones is has more upside as a ball handler than Vesely, and is probably stronger. Otherwise, Vesely is everything Jones was touted to be. Vesely is a 6'11" SF that has already shown that he can play SF, and defend wing players. Vesely is as tall or taller. Vesely is longer. Vesely is more vertically explosive. Vesely is much, much, tougher. Vesely has already won muiltiple club championships in a league that is considered by many to be more competitive than the NCAA.

I don't think Vesely is ever going to be an All Star caliber player. I also don't think that Jones will do anything beyond continue to disappoint.

I'm no big fan of Jones, but he's a much better prospect than Vesely. Remember, he's a year and a half younger. And even in a very disappointing frosh year where he showed no motor, he was arguably more productive than Vesely. By the time he's Vesely's age, he'll be much stronger than Vesely and much more capable of playing PF. My hunch is that Jones will show a lot of improvement this season - his going back to Baylor seems to indicate he wants to show he can be the power player Baylor's coaches seemingly want him to be. Vesely has the frame of an ectomorph, so I don't expect he'll ever have the physical ability and certainly doesn't have the skills to be a competent NBA PF. His only hope is at 3, imo. And skills are much more important at the 3 than being freakishly long and being able to dunk - which does not bode well for Vesely and the Wiz.

Ruzious wrote:I'm no big fan of Jones, but he's a much better prospect than Vesely. Remember, he's a year and a half younger. And even in a very disappointing frosh year where he showed no motor, he was arguably more productive than Vesely. By the time he's Vesely's age, he'll be much stronger than Vesely and much more capable of playing PF. My hunch is that Jones will show a lot of improvement this season - his going back to Baylor seems to indicate he wants to show he can be the power player Baylor's coaches seemingly want him to be. Vesely has the frame of an ectomorph, so I don't expect he'll ever have the physical ability and certainly doesn't have the skills to be a competent NBA PF. His only hope is at 3, imo. And skills are much more important at the 3 than being freakishly long and being able to dunk - which does not bode well for Vesely and the Wiz.

+1

Unless Jones' demeanor and motor show dramatic improvement this season, I seriously doubt the Wizards will draft him. Under Ted's regime, EG's philosophy is character first. He wants guys that will play hard, practice hard, and work their asses off to be the best they can be. Jones strikes me as someone with a Blatche-like drive and on-the-court motor. That's a no-go for us.

Even if Jones is the best talent available on the board, I suspect EG would draft someone with a touch less upside, and better intangibles.

Watch us make the playoffs next season and miss out on the talent.

nate33 wrote:Unless Jones' demeanor and motor show dramatic improvement this season, I seriously doubt the Wizards will draft him. Under Ted's regime, EG's philosophy is character first. He wants guys that will play hard, practice hard, and work their asses off to be the best they can be. Jones strikes me as someone with a Blatche-like drive and on-the-court motor. That's a no-go for us.

Even if Jones is the best talent available on the board, I suspect EG would draft someone with a touch less upside, and better intangibles.

By all reports, Jones is a good kid, listens to his coach, and works hard in practice. He is just mousy on the court.

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe Jone's physical skills will eventually translate. I still have a hard time getting behind a prospect with such obviously immense physical talents, that didn't even experience success in high school, in terms of team performance, and personal performance.

Rafael122 wrote:Watch us make the playoffs next season and miss out on the talent.

This is what I'm fearful of.

7-Day Dray wrote:

Rafael122 wrote:Watch us make the playoffs next season and miss out on the talent.

This is what I'm fearful of.

Nothing to fear. The Wizards will suck next season.

Nivek wrote:

7-Day Dray wrote:

Rafael122 wrote:Watch us make the playoffs next season and miss out on the talent.

This is what I'm fearful of.

Nothing to fear. The Wizards will suck next season.

7-Day Dray wrote:

Rafael122 wrote:Watch us make the playoffs next season and miss out on the talent.

This is what I'm fearful of.

With a better coaching-fit, the 8th seed could be within reach, but we have too-many poor offensive players and our front-court is too-soft...perfect for tanking.

theboomking wrote:

nate33 wrote:Unless Jones' demeanor and motor show dramatic improvement this season, I seriously doubt the Wizards will draft him. Under Ted's regime, EG's philosophy is character first. He wants guys that will play hard, practice hard, and work their asses off to be the best they can be. Jones strikes me as someone with a Blatche-like drive and on-the-court motor. That's a no-go for us.

Even if Jones is the best talent available on the board, I suspect EG would draft someone with a touch less upside, and better intangibles.

By all reports, Jones is a good kid, listens to his coach, and works hard in practice. He is just mousy on the court.

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe Jone's physical skills will eventually translate. I still have a hard time getting behind a prospect with such obviously immense physical talents, that didn't even experience success in high school, in terms of team performance, and personal performance.

Givony had a youtube interview with him where Jones bad-mouthed his HS coach and flat out blamed the coach for his under-achieving in HS and even for his lack of hustle. Having said that, it impresses me that he's going back to college and showing loyalty to the Baylor program.

theboomking wrote:

nate33 wrote:Unless Jones' demeanor and motor show dramatic improvement this season, I seriously doubt the Wizards will draft him. Under Ted's regime, EG's philosophy is character first. He wants guys that will play hard, practice hard, and work their asses off to be the best they can be. Jones strikes me as someone with a Blatche-like drive and on-the-court motor. That's a no-go for us.

Even if Jones is the best talent available on the board, I suspect EG would draft someone with a touch less upside, and better intangibles.

By all reports, Jones is a good kid, listens to his coach, and works hard in practice. He is just mousy on the court.

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe Jone's physical skills will eventually translate. I still have a hard time getting behind a prospect with such obviously immense physical talents, that didn't even experience success in high school, in terms of team performance, and personal performance.

Yep, this is what I've heard too. Good character, solid kid. He's just beta. He's not an alpha. Not terribly assertive. That can't be changed, generally speaking, but can his talent be effectively harnessed with that knowledge in tow. One of the rare examples I can think of would be Barry Sanders, or closer to home, Art Monk, who very famously, and repeatedly said at the time, and after, that he never thought he was good enough to be drafted let alone play in the NFL, let alone become a hall of famer. Guys that are like that, and successful, superstar successful, are the rarest of rare.

Rafael122 wrote:Watch us make the playoffs next season and miss out on the talent.

I don't see any chance whatsoever of that happening. However, if it were to happen, it would be because 3 or 4 of Blatche, McGee, NY, and maybe a draftee absolutely blew the hell up. So I suppose, either way, the news should be good, either we get a good to great draft pick in an incredible draft, or we absolutely blow up, nearly double our wins, and some recent draftees prove to be all star or borderline all star talents. Either way we win, I'll take it (of course horrible luck in the lottery would really bum me out, probably should be expected, and could happen, screwing us totally, however, I tend to expect that our best possible record is probably no better than slot 7-9 pre lottery, which should lock us in picking no worse than 7th to 11th, which would guarantee one of the genuine talents barring a really nasty CBA in regards to college kids required time playing in school).

Ruzious wrote:

theboomking wrote:

nate33 wrote:Unless Jones' demeanor and motor show dramatic improvement this season, I seriously doubt the Wizards will draft him. Under Ted's regime, EG's philosophy is character first. He wants guys that will play hard, practice hard, and work their asses off to be the best they can be. Jones strikes me as someone with a Blatche-like drive and on-the-court motor. That's a no-go for us.

Even if Jones is the best talent available on the board, I suspect EG would draft someone with a touch less upside, and better intangibles.

By all reports, Jones is a good kid, listens to his coach, and works hard in practice. He is just mousy on the court.

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe Jone's physical skills will eventually translate. I still have a hard time getting behind a prospect with such obviously immense physical talents, that didn't even experience success in high school, in terms of team performance, and personal performance.

Givony had a youtube interview with him where Jones bad-mouthed his HS coach and flat out blamed the coach for his under-achieving in HS and even for his lack of hustle. Having said that, it impresses me that he's going back to college and showing loyalty to the Baylor program.

Forgot about that, whoops

Ruzious wrote:

theboomking wrote:

nate33 wrote:Unless Jones' demeanor and motor show dramatic improvement this season, I seriously doubt the Wizards will draft him. Under Ted's regime, EG's philosophy is character first. He wants guys that will play hard, practice hard, and work their asses off to be the best they can be. Jones strikes me as someone with a Blatche-like drive and on-the-court motor. That's a no-go for us.

Even if Jones is the best talent available on the board, I suspect EG would draft someone with a touch less upside, and better intangibles.

By all reports, Jones is a good kid, listens to his coach, and works hard in practice. He is just mousy on the court.

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe Jone's physical skills will eventually translate. I still have a hard time getting behind a prospect with such obviously immense physical talents, that didn't even experience success in high school, in terms of team performance, and personal performance.

Givony had a youtube interview with him where Jones bad-mouthed his HS coach and flat out blamed the coach for his under-achieving in HS and even for his lack of hustle. Having said that, it impresses me that he's going back to college and showing loyalty to the Baylor program.

$$. Don't be surprised if that investigation was just the start of something. Baylor got too good too fast.