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you guys know that I have been complaining about the O system since day 1 of Flip. I think it kills what guys like Gil & Wall do best. Then after getting destroyed by NY, all the fans calling for more pick & rolls and high screens, and Evans saying thats what Wall should be doing (along with me emailing Leonsis about that ) we seem to be running different plays & sets.

Wall has 10 & 15 ast easily in the past 2 games. When the Miami game started, we ran some plays that Ive never seen us run. A bunch of pics inside the line and short curls off of eachother like the Jazz old system. We ran more pick & rolls or high screens in that game and we ran a million of them last night against Detroit with our O lookin more explosive then ever and Wall living in the paint while finding guys.

Not only that but look at McGee. I use to always complain about how the system allowed for McGee to never even set the pick. He always leaves like a foot before Wall gets there and never touches the guy he's trying to pick. I always complained how we never do it like the other teams. Like how we use to do it with Wood & Gil here. Wood would stay there all day until Gil was past him and then he follows.

Now watch McGee. He stayed there the whole time and sometimes even reset, Wall would go, and then McGee would follow. The funny thing is that McGee use to always leave early because he was more worried about getting the pass back for the easy score than he was freeing Wall up but what he's now realizing is that if he frees up Wall then it forces the D to overplay him and McGee is now wide open for lobs or easy shots.

McGee is also the last few games playing big & strong again like he did early in the year. More close shots, more deeper post position, and actually leaning towards guys or overpowering them some. Im telling you that Wall can average 10apg even with these guys if we run this system. Now though we have to figure a way to get his scoring full time with it. We can run it every play just about and he should dominate like the other top PG's. He'll get in the lane for a shot or will find a guy.

Rewatch the games, it looks night & day now. We might still some more wins like that and its not just McGee. Its the same with all the other bigs. I could see JV doing more scoring off the P & R now. Why havent we been doing this? I hate Flip. I think someone said something to convince Witt to change things up but this is a different Offense and I get the feeling that theyre going to steadily still add more & more stuff like this.

The only thing now is that Wall has to get use to this new style. He's got alot of turnovers since but he'll cut down on that the more & more he does it. He's just not use to it and also the guys around him arent but that will change game by game and the turnovers will get lower & lower while his assist will go up & up. You can tell he's excited by it and the team around him too. He'll put up numbers and look in control of these games.

Then like I said, they are mixing it up with the curls which now gets a guy like NY more often instead of running those every single play and they are using different kinda curls now also. They are also doing more team passing instead of letting the PG do everything. They are running plays with curls & screens off the ball. Double curls, passes, etc. Looks good so far

I agree with you about McGee and picks. He's been a lot better about making contact with defenders.

Yeah, I've seen McGee actually shoulder-bump smaller defenders off Shaq-style. Awesome!

Downscreen to get N1 the ball on the left wing, if the defense sags to that side, rotate right and run a P&R there.

Simplified offense in the sense that you take the most complicated play to run and do it over and over again until you get a feel for it.

Can't complain about Wittman so far...

To those who said Flip was great as well as coaching doesn't make a difference, I think flexibility is the key. The Knicks game saw the Wizards get pick to death. Mo Evans made a comment about Wall being able to run pick-and-roll also, and he thought the Wizards should use it more.

Maybe Wittman is coaching by feel in a way a system-driven, inflexible coach would not do.

Didn't see the Miami game, but the Detroit win was more of a matchup thing IMO. The Pistons are small up front, and I think that lent itself to guys like McGee and Vesely having bigger impacts. A couple of the alley-oops wouldn't have been there against a team with a space-eating 7-footer. And even though I didn't see the Miami game, they also have a small-ish front line, and that could have had the same effect.

Don't get me wrong - Wall forcing his shot less and distributing more would be a welcome adjustment, as would the team being more competent in the pick/roll (not just the bigs, but also the guards using the screens better). But I'm not willing to say they've turned any corners as of yet.

LyricalRico wrote:Didn't see the Miami game, but the Detroit win was more of a matchup thing IMO. The Pistons are small up front, and I think that lent itself to guys like McGee and Vesely having bigger impacts. A couple of the alley-oops wouldn't have been there against a team with a space-eating 7-footer. And even though I didn't see the Miami game, they also have a small-ish front line, and that could have had the same effect.

Don't get me wrong - Wall forcing his shot less and distributing more would be a welcome adjustment, as would the team being more competent in the pick/roll (not just the bigs, but also the guards using the screens better). But I'm not willing to say they've turned any corners as of yet.

We'll find out soon, but I'm not so sure about that. Wall can get into the lane at will but this was the first time he was drawing the opposing big to get easy shots for his own bigs. I think that was a product of Wall reading it better than whoever was on defense. No one can rotate fast enough to stop lobs to McGee or even the inside roll dunk for Vesely in the first half.

It's a step in the right direction for sure, but Wall is still very poor at understanding how to use screens (case in point, the offensive foul on Vesely where Wall didn't give Vesely a chance to get set).

LyricalRico wrote:Didn't see the Miami game, but the Detroit win was more of a matchup thing IMO. The Pistons are small up front, and I think that lent itself to guys like McGee and Vesely having bigger impacts. A couple of the alley-oops wouldn't have been there against a team with a space-eating 7-footer. And even though I didn't see the Miami game, they also have a small-ish front line, and that could have had the same effect.

This. Miami's front court has Joel Anthony and Dexter Pittman playing heavy minutes. I expect Mcgee to dominate. Further, for as much pub that Monroe gets for his offense, which is great, he's equally bad at defense. He's very much Al Jefferson with the ability to pass. He can't stick with quick PF who can move. He's probably worse than McGee at cover the PnR, and he doesn't have the length to contend drives and protect the paint. I'm interested to see if he ever becomes more than an offensive juggernaut on a bad team, ala Al Jefferson, or if he can become a premier front court player on a winning team.

JonathanJoseph wrote:It's a step in the right direction for sure, but Wall is still very poor at understanding how to use screens (case in point, the offensive foul on Vesely where Wall didn't give Vesely a chance to get set).

Yes, he and Crawford both do that to Vesely. Buckhantz called Crawford out on it once. They also often fail to curl tight, allowing too much room for the defender. That's when Vesely bends his knee out or slides, trying to extend the pick, and fouls there too sometimes. Would be a good focus in camp and for off season acquisitions with an eye toward improving p&r. Maybe Vesely could conduct a mini-workshop, Czech's Mix: Picks and How to Use Them.