Official Trade Thread XX (6/22/12 - 12/13/12)

[mohammed10]

He is a ball hog to a degree, but I'd rather have a hyper athletic SF than a 32 year ol f/c whose best basketball is behind him, and more than likely, cannot will a mediocre to average team to anything when not paired with superstar talent like Kobe and most recently, Bynum. Memphis never did anything with a young Pao, what makes you think we would be any better? I'm just saying, between the two, give me the one who has a sliver of hope to improve while still having prime years left. I'm hoping no trades like them occur.

Thank you, nuposse - you beat me to it. I could not have said it better myself.

Not sue why people think that a 32 y/o Pau is somehow going to come to DC and have a renaissance in the twilight years of his career.

[nuposse04]

So...since Budinger is apparently worth the 18th pick....And assuming Houston does try their one year rental to Orl for howard, you think Orlando would do the 14th+Reddick for Booker+Ariza?

Draft MKG+Ross+Crowder?

Wall/Someone
Ross/JJ/JC
MKG/Singleton/Crowder
Nene/Jan/J. Singleton
Seraphin/Okafor

We could throw in C. Singleton if they wanted another wing asset.

[LyricalRico]

^ Eh, I don't think ORL would give up assets for Booker since they already have the same guy in Big Baby. Also, Orlando has 19, not 14.

[nuposse04]

^ Eh, I don't think ORL would give up assets for Booker since they already have the same guy in Big Baby. Also, Orlando has 19, not 14.

my assumption was under that HOU trades all their picks to them for a one year rental of Howard. You may be right though, with Big baby and earl clark they might decline.

[barelyawake]

If we trade Booker or Vesley for a pick, and end up with Ross and MKG, EG suddenly turns into a God.

Wall
Ross
MKG
Nene
Seraphin

With all those expiring contracts to trade, after two years of playoffs (and two years of MLE contracts). If Wall blows up, that team can attract a superstar to demand a trade here. And that is a position we have never been in. This whole "bad trade" thing can become very good, very quickly, if EG makes the right follow-up moves. Or he could kill our future. We shall see.

[LyricalRico]

What about Okafor to Dallas, while adding a third team that may want Haywood? If the Mavs no longer believe that they can end up with Howard and/or Williams, maybe they would look to patch up their existing squad.

Wizards trade: Okafor
Wizards receive: Odom

Mavs trade: Odom, Haywood, and 17
Mavs receive: Okafor and Matthews

Blazers trade: Matthews
Blazers receive: Haywood and 17

Dallas re-tools to make another run. Portland gets a starting C and a pick. We can waive Odom by 6/29 and shave most of the salary off our books.

[FAH1223]

Dallas won't do that. They still feel they have a shot at Howard. They want to keep cap room.

[LyricalRico]

^ Well, their plan was based on the expectation that both Howard and Deron Williams would be free agents this summer. Now that Howard has picked up the last year of his contract, they may need to adjust their plan. Are they willing to potentially waste another year of Dirk's career while they wait and see what happens with Howard over the next year?

EDIT TO ADD: Now it looks like Dallas may also be less confident in their abilit to sign Williams. They could be left with no options. Maybe Odom for Okafor will interest them at some point.

[Ruzious]

If we trade Booker or Vesley for a pick, and end up with Ross and MKG, EG suddenly turns into a God.

Wall
Ross
MKG
Nene
Seraphin

With all those expiring contracts to trade, after two years of playoffs (and two years of MLE contracts). If Wall blows up, that team can attract a superstar to demand a trade here. And that is a position we have never been in. This whole "bad trade" thing can become very good, very quickly, if EG makes the right follow-up moves. Or he could kill our future. We shall see.

I'm CBA knowledge deficient, but I don't know that we'd have the cap space to get a max cap space player - because of Wall's cap hit. Doesn't he count at something like 3 times his salary when he's a free agent? We'll still have Nene at 13 mil. I don't know - you might be right. It's beside your main point, but I think there are better alternatives than Ross.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If we trade Booker or Vesley for a pick, and end up with Ross and MKG, EG suddenly turns into a God.

Wall
Ross
MKG
Nene
Seraphin

With all those expiring contracts to trade, after two years of playoffs (and two years of MLE contracts). If Wall blows up, that team can attract a superstar to demand a trade here. And that is a position we have never been in. This whole "bad trade" thing can become very good, very quickly, if EG makes the right follow-up moves. Or he could kill our future. We shall see.

ba, if the Wizards end up with MKG and Ross, while keeping Wall, Nene, and Seraphin; I will probably cry tears of joy on draft night.

[LyricalRico]

Booker+Singleton+Crawford+32 for Mbah a Moute+12?

Hurts our future cap room, but gets us another pick to go after a guy like Ross.

[dangermouse]

The #3 and Blatche for Pau?????

Well, Ted did say to expect another move!

[nuposse04]

That would probably be our best bet to get him, but Bucks need a center so I don't see it happening. Some of the mocks have Rivers going far earlier now meaning Phx couldn't take him at 13. I don't see ross getting by PHX if rivers is off the board. Although rivers has no business being drafted ahead of Ross.

Our only legitimate hope for Ross might be that he just falls :/

[nate33]

If we trade Booker or Vesley for a pick, and end up with Ross and MKG, EG suddenly turns into a God.

Wall
Ross
MKG
Nene
Seraphin

With all those expiring contracts to trade, after two years of playoffs (and two years of MLE contracts). If Wall blows up, that team can attract a superstar to demand a trade here. And that is a position we have never been in. This whole "bad trade" thing can become very good, very quickly, if EG makes the right follow-up moves. Or he could kill our future. We shall see.

I'm CBA knowledge deficient, but I don't know that we'd have the cap space to get a max cap space player - because of Wall's cap hit. Doesn't he count at something like 3 times his salary when he's a free agent? We'll still have Nene at 13 mil. I don't know - you might be right. It's beside your main point, but I think there are better alternatives than Ross.

Wall's cap hold will be that of a max salary contract.

[7-Day Dray]

Seriously, if we trade for Gasol, I'm **** done w/ this team.

[Terpman]

Trade for Gasol... why not? Give em Okafor +32 & a pair of season tickets to the mystics...

[LyricalRico]

Trade for Gasol... why not? Give em Okafor +32 & a pair of season tickets to the mystics...

Well, the problem is the inclusion of the #3. We don't really have enough of a package without it. If LA isn't going to demand a lottery pick, then there are other teams that can do better.

[dangermouse]

Someone needs to e-mail Ted. I believe someone on here actually got a response at one time, so maybe they should have another go.

I just want to get some kind of explanation from Ted/EG as to why a prot. pick ala the Ben Gordon to CHA trade was out of the question for us in the Okafor/Ariza trade. It has to be more than "well, that was a deal breaker for NOH", because in that case then you don;t do the deal at all. We had to sweeten the deal for NOH..... How, what, why..... Justify this ****!

I feel like i'm taking crazy pills.

[mhd]

Someone needs to e-mail Ted. I believe someone on here actually got a response at one time, so maybe they should have another go.

I just want to get some kind of explanation from Ted/EG as to why a prot. pick ala the Ben Gordon to CHA trade was out of the question for us in the Okafor/Ariza trade. It has to be more than "well, that was a deal breaker for NOH", because in that case then you don;t do the deal at all. We had to sweeten the deal for NOH..... How, what, why..... Justify this ****!

I feel like i'm taking crazy pills.

Couldn't do it b/c Lewis' contract was so big. No way it fits into the 125% rule.

[mhd]

What the heck (needs to be done in 2 trades because Emeka can't be swapped on his own)

Trade #1:
Wiz trade Emeka for Horford

Trade #2:
Wiz trade #3+Booker for future 2nd

Wiz role with Nene, Horford, and Seraphin as a dominant frontcourt big rotation. Atl does a semi-rebuild while remaining competitive.