Enough With the Kvetching: Wiz Are Best 0-9 Team EVER!

[nate33]

Also, Jan Vesely has more fouls (34) than shots (30), rebounds (29) or points (29.) He is historically awful.

This has to be the most amazing statistic I have ever seen. There have been a handful of "goons" in the NBA who foul more than they score, (guys like Greg Kite or Chris Dudley) but at least they rebound. I wouldn't be surprised if nobody has ever achieved 30 fouls before getting 30 points or 30 boards. Good God! Get him off the team! He is one of the worst busts of the decade.

[Nivek]

12 players since 1985-86 have accomplished 30+ personal fouls while scoring fewer than 30 points and grabbing fewer than 30 rebounds.

The list:

1. Michael Curry
2. Vesely
3. Granville Waiters
4. Jeff Cross
5. Cedric Bozeman
6. Eric Snow
7. Jay Humphries
8. Aleksandar Radojevic
9. Evan Eschmeyer
10. Mike Williams
11. Michael Stewart
12. William Cunningham

Clearly a precursor to multiple All-Star appearances.

[keynote]

Shout out to Nivek and his Moral Victories tracker for getting linked to by Grantland:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... he-wizards

You may have heard that the Washington Professional Basketball Team has not won a game this season. They have been close in several and played hard in most, and they certainly lead the league in moral victories.

[cwb3]

This thread will nourish me thru these hard times. . .kudo's to all involved!

[sashae]

[Nivek]

Shout out to Nivek and his Moral Victories tracker for getting linked to by Grantland:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... he-wizards

You may have heard that the Washington Professional Basketball Team has not won a game this season. They have been close in several and played hard in most, and they certainly lead the league in moral victories.

This is way cool.

That story went live 2 hours ago and I already have a single-day traffic record on my blog. Wow.

[keynote]

Yeah, I gotta say that, from a consumer's perspective, Simmons' Grantland experiment has been a huge success. I read more articles there than I do on ESPN.com proper.

Anyway, congrats for getting the rub. Don't let your new-found fame change you.

[leswizards]

I am guessing that there are too many people under the delusion that the Wizards are going to make the playoffs this year. But, for those who are holding out hope that once John Wall returns, the Wizards can turn things around and make a run at the playoff, nine teams in the East have records better than .500. That means evens if the Wizards go 38 and 23 (a 62.2% winning percentage) the rest of the way, it still might not be good enough to make the playoffs. I guess it is time to start talking about the next draft.

[nate33]

Vesely update:

Digging deeper into the numbers, I see that Vesely isn't quite as epically sucky as I had thought. His incredible feat of accumulating more fouls than points, rebounds and assists has been duplicated 20 times. Here is a list of the 20 players who have totaled more fouls than points, rebounds or assists, while playing at least 200 minutes:

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Player         Season  MP   PF  PTS TRB AST
Jason Collins  2007-08 1172 194 140 178 25 
Duane Causwell 1996-97 581  131 118 127 20 
Greg Dreiling  1991-92 509  123 117 96  25 
Fabricio Obert 2009-10 650  121 83  105 51 
Mark Madsen    2006-07 473  100 61  87  10 
Martin Nessley 1987-88 336  89  48  82  16 
Johnny High    1983-84 512  84  46  66  51 
Bill Curley    1998-99 372  83  78  51  14 
Eric Montross  1999-00 332  81  40  72  7   
John Edwards   2005-06 296  76  70  48  5   
Hasheem Thabe  2010-11 373  76  53  75  4   
Felton Spencer 2001-02 248  73  29  50  3   
Jason Collins  2008-09 422  73  57  70  11 
Mario West     2007-08 269  61  59  48  13 
Jake Voskuhl   2008-09 240  60  35  59  8   
Jim McIlvaine  1998-99 269  59  48  54  2   
Keith Askins   1998-99 415  58  53  44  10 
Brian Cardinal 2009-10 267  56  48  29  24 
Mark West      1983-84 202  55  37  46  13 
Michael Curry  2004-05 249  39  30  27  15 

Jan Vesely     2012-13 191  37  31  34  11 

Vesely is sitting pretty at 191 minutes, anxiously awaiting to join the club. The question is, will he maintain his remarkable pace for an entire season, or will he at some point "break out" and manage to score 10 points or so in a game and ruin his average.

By the way, LOL at Jason Collins.

[BigA]

Vesely update:

Digging deeper into the numbers, I see that Vesely isn't quite as epically sucky as I had thought. His incredible feat of accumulating more fouls than points, rebounds and assists has been duplicated 20 times. Here is a list of the 20 players who have totaled more fouls than points, rebounds or assists, while playing at least 200 minutes:

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Player         Season  MP   PF  PTS TRB AST
Jason Collins  2007-08 1172 194 140 178 25 
Duane Causwell 1996-97 581  131 118 127 20 
Greg Dreiling  1991-92 509  123 117 96  25 
Fabricio Obert 2009-10 650  121 83  105 51 
Mark Madsen    2006-07 473  100 61  87  10 
Martin Nessley 1987-88 336  89  48  82  16 
Johnny High    1983-84 512  84  46  66  51 
Bill Curley    1998-99 372  83  78  51  14 
Eric Montross  1999-00 332  81  40  72  7   
John Edwards   2005-06 296  76  70  48  5   
Hasheem Thabe  2010-11 373  76  53  75  4   
Felton Spencer 2001-02 248  73  29  50  3   
Jason Collins  2008-09 422  73  57  70  11 
Mario West     2007-08 269  61  59  48  13 
Jake Voskuhl   2008-09 240  60  35  59  8   
Jim McIlvaine  1998-99 269  59  48  54  2   
Keith Askins   1998-99 415  58  53  44  10 
Brian Cardinal 2009-10 267  56  48  29  24 
Mark West      1983-84 202  55  37  46  13 
Michael Curry  2004-05 249  39  30  27  15 

Jan Vesely     2012-13 191  37  31  34  11 

Vesely is sitting pretty at 191 minutes, anxiously awaiting to join the club. The question is, will he maintain his remarkable pace for an entire season, or will he at some point "break out" and manage to score 10 points or so in a game and ruin his average.

By the way, LOL at Jason Collins.

So Vesely is essentially stuffing the stat sheet for the Wiz the same way Fabricio Oberto did in 09-10.

[Nivek]

Every time I've done one of these "record of futility" searches, I've always been impressed with how many Wizards/Bullets players show up.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Vesely update:

Digging deeper into the numbers, I see that Vesely isn't quite as epically sucky as I had thought. His incredible feat of accumulating more fouls than points, rebounds and assists has been duplicated 20 times. Here is a list of the 20 players who have totaled more fouls than points, rebounds or assists, while playing at least 200 minutes:

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Player         Season  MP   PF  PTS TRB AST
Jason Collins  2007-08 1172 194 140 178 25 
Duane Causwell 1996-97 581  131 118 127 20 
Greg Dreiling  1991-92 509  123 117 96  25 
Fabricio Obert 2009-10 650  121 83  105 51 
Mark Madsen    2006-07 473  100 61  87  10 
Martin Nessley 1987-88 336  89  48  82  16 
Johnny High    1983-84 512  84  46  66  51 
Bill Curley    1998-99 372  83  78  51  14 
Eric Montross  1999-00 332  81  40  72  7   
John Edwards   2005-06 296  76  70  48  5   
Hasheem Thabe  2010-11 373  76  53  75  4   
Felton Spencer 2001-02 248  73  29  50  3   
Jason Collins  2008-09 422  73  57  70  11 
Mario West     2007-08 269  61  59  48  13 
Jake Voskuhl   2008-09 240  60  35  59  8   
Jim McIlvaine  1998-99 269  59  48  54  2   
Keith Askins   1998-99 415  58  53  44  10 
Brian Cardinal 2009-10 267  56  48  29  24 
Mark West      1983-84 202  55  37  46  13 
Michael Curry  2004-05 249  39  30  27  15 

Jan Vesely     2012-13 191  37  31  34  11 

Vesely is sitting pretty at 191 minutes, anxiously awaiting to join the club. The question is, will he maintain his remarkable pace for an entire season, or will he at some point "break out" and manage to score 10 points or so in a game and ruin his average.

By the way, LOL at Jason Collins.

Oberto did it as a Wizard. Oberto was epically bad. Check out these games scores over 57 games:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2010/

Francisco Oberto, per-36 minutes: 4.6 pts, 5.8 rebs, 2.8 asts, 0.6 stls, 0.5 blks, 2.0 tos, 6.7 fouls

Unbelievably, Jan Vesely is approaching Oberto-bad territory as a Wizard.

Jan Vesely, per-36: 5.8 pts, 6.4 rebs, 2.1 asts, 1.1 stls, 0.8 blks, 1.9 tos, 7.0 fouls

Last season, however, Vesely scored more, rebounded more, and fouled less. He can't be as bad as he he's playing now.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lja01.html

[hands11]

Ves must have been hitting Randy's daughter or something.

[sashae]

JAN VESELY BREAKOUT NIGHT!!!

6pts (3-9), 1reb, 1ast, 2stl, 1blk, 1to, 4PF in 26 minutes!!!

[montestewart]

JAN VESELY BREAKOUT NIGHT!!!

6pts (3-9), 1reb, 1ast, 2stl, 1blk, 1to, 4PF in 26 minutes!!!

That assist was SWEET!

[nate33]

Vesely is moving up the charts. His PF's continue to exceed his points, rebounds and assists. With 272 total minutes played, he is now 16th on this ignominious list when ranked by total minutes played.

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Player          Season   MP   PF   PTS  TRB  AST
Jason Collins   2007-08  1172 194  140  178  25
Fabricio Obert  2009-10  650  121  83   105  51
Duane Causwell  1996-97  581  131  118  127  20
Johnny High     1983-84  512  84   46   66   51
Greg Dreiling   1991-92  509  123  117  96   25
Mark Madsen     2006-07  473  100  61   87   10
Jason Collins   2008-09  422  73   57   70   11
Keith Askins    1998-99  415  58   53   44   10
Hasheem Thabe   2010-11  373  76   53   75   4 
Bill Curley     1998-99  372  83   78   51   14
Martin Nessley  1987-88  336  89   48   82   16
Eric Montross   1999-00  332  81   40   72   7 
John Edwards    2005-06  296  76   70   48   5 
Jan Vesely      2012-13  272  51   47   48   14

(Side comment: another illustrious former Wizard is achieving this milestone this year. Jared Jeffries is currently totaling 35 fouls, 25 points, 26 rebounds and 9 assists for Portland. But with just 183 total minutes played, he probably won't catch Vesely.)

[closg00]

All I can say to that^ is Vucevic nabbed 29 boards + 20 points last night.

[nate33]

All I can say to that^ is Vucevic nabbed 29 boards + 20 points last night.

Did he commit 31 fouls?

[nate33]

Vesely is making it interesting. With his 6 point explosion against Miami, he now sits at:

324 minutes
58 fouls
58 points
56 rebounds
14 assists

[mohammed10]

Vesely is making it interesting. With his 6 point explosion against Miami, he now sits at:

324 minutes
58 fouls
58 points
56 rebounds
14 assists

So nate, is the 'Janchise' on your fantasy team yet? LOL