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Ernie Grunfeld vs Ted Leonsis vs Wittman: who you blame most for the outcome of this season so far?

Been lot of talk and finger pointing for the blame behind this season's outcome.

Well out the three, who do believe is the main sorce of the blame?

Grunfeld. No way anyone can convince me that a player who is genuinely 6th pick worthy would not have helped in getting the Wizards over the hump by now. Wall 1st overall pick---injured. Beal 3rd overall pick---rookie. Vesely 6th overall pick---Vesely. A legitimate sixth overall pick from that year would've paired with Crawford and gotten the Wizards a W by now. It's like the pick never happened.

Well, I don't think Wittman gets any part of the blame. I don't think Phil Jackson would have done any better than Randy (ok, maybe one win -- just to give him the props he deserves).

This team was put together *intentionally* by EG. He *chose* these guys. How could anyone but him get the responsibility for its performance? If we were successful, wouldn't he get praise?

We're not successful, and it's on him. That said, Ted a) retained him despite his lack of accomplishment, b) renewed him (?!), and c) seems to have faith in him still, or at least has not fired him which is certainly warranted.

So, Ernie is to be blamed for where we are and Leonsis for the fact that there's no exit in view from this quicksand.

Grunfeld is who he is, at this point nobody should really be surprised.

If you really want to blame somebody you should look no further than Ted Leonsis. He's the reason why Grunfeld is still around and he's the one that ultimately blessed the moves that got us into this mess.

In order of who is to blame for the 0-10 record

The person I blame the most is Nene for not taking care of the injury he ended last season with.
Then Randy for his pretty poor line ups so far.
Lastly time. It goes so slow when you are waiting.

I don't know of many teams that are very good without there two best players. Specially when it is their best guard and best post player. Now make that a team that hit the reset button on a youth driven rebuild a couple years ago and that has a new coach.

But as we could see last night. Adding Nene makes a HUGE difference. Had he been in the game down the stretch they would have very likely won. So if he had just focused on healing the foot over the summer, he would have been ready when the season started. Had Nene been available to start the year, we would have won at least half of these games.

hands11 wrote:In order of who is to blame for the 0-10 record

The person I blame the most is Nene for not taking care of the injury he ended last season with.
Then Randy for his pretty poor line ups so far.
Lastly time. It goes so slow when you are waiting.

I don't know of many teams that are very good without there two best players. Specially when it is their best guard and best post player. Now make that a team that hit the reset button on a youth driven rebuild a couple years ago and that has a new coach.

But as we could see last night. Adding Nene makes a HUGE difference. Had he been in the game down the stretch they would have very likely won. So if he had just focused on healing the foot over the summer, he would have been ready when the season started. Had Nene been available to start the year, we would have won at least half of these games.

Nene isn't one of the options.

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:

hands11 wrote:In order of who is to blame for the 0-10 record

The person I blame the most is Nene for not taking care of the injury he ended last season with.
Then Randy for his pretty poor line ups so far.
Lastly time. It goes so slow when you are waiting.

I don't know of many teams that are very good without there two best players. Specially when it is their best guard and best post player. Now make that a team that hit the reset button on a youth driven rebuild a couple years ago and that has a new coach.

But as we could see last night. Adding Nene makes a HUGE difference. Had he been in the game down the stretch they would have very likely won. So if he had just focused on healing the foot over the summer, he would have been ready when the season started. Had Nene been available to start the year, we would have won at least half of these games.

Nene isn't one of the options.

That and Nene isn't responsible for roster that makes-up the rest of the team, Grunfeld is.Hands straw-man argument falls flat on its face when you see what Orlando has been able to do w/o Dwight, PHX w/o Nash, CHI w/o Rose and on and on.

Ernie has reached the levels of Cerrato in terms of GMs who should be obviously be fired in this town.

I would say Ted is responsible for this mess because he empowers Ernie. There comes a time when the responsibility must fall on the owner. That time is now.

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:

hands11 wrote:In order of who is to blame for the 0-10 record

The person I blame the most is Nene for not taking care of the injury he ended last season with.
Then Randy for his pretty poor line ups so far.
Lastly time. It goes so slow when you are waiting.

I don't know of many teams that are very good without there two best players. Specially when it is their best guard and best post player. Now make that a team that hit the reset button on a youth driven rebuild a couple years ago and that has a new coach.

But as we could see last night. Adding Nene makes a HUGE difference. Had he been in the game down the stretch they would have very likely won. So if he had just focused on healing the foot over the summer, he would have been ready when the season started. Had Nene been available to start the year, we would have won at least half of these games.

Nene isn't one of the options.

Absolutely he is. He is the top option and most obvious choice.

closg00 wrote:

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:

hands11 wrote:In order of who is to blame for the 0-10 record

The person I blame the most is Nene for not taking care of the injury he ended last season with.
Then Randy for his pretty poor line ups so far.
Lastly time. It goes so slow when you are waiting.

I don't know of many teams that are very good without there two best players. Specially when it is their best guard and best post player. Now make that a team that hit the reset button on a youth driven rebuild a couple years ago and that has a new coach.

But as we could see last night. Adding Nene makes a HUGE difference. Had he been in the game down the stretch they would have very likely won. So if he had just focused on healing the foot over the summer, he would have been ready when the season started. Had Nene been available to start the year, we would have won at least half of these games.

Nene isn't one of the options.

That and Nene isn't responsible for roster that makes-up the rest of the team, Grunfeld is.Hands straw-man argument falls flat on its face when you see what Orlando has been able to do w/o Dwight, PHX w/o Nash, CHI w/o Rose and on and on.

You are so clueless and your logic is childish.

Right. The Wizards has been Orlando, PHX and Chicago the last 5 years. Totally different situations.

Nene not healing up his foot over the summer is the main reason they haven't won yet. Second reason is Randy's poor line ups. Had Nene started the year they would have won at least half of these games.

Hands, the point he is trying to make is every team deals with injuries. Our roster shouldn't be constructed so that losing our 2 best players makes us unable to win even ONE GAME!!!

AFM wrote:Hands, the point he is trying to make is every team deals with injuries. Our roster shouldn't be constructed so that losing our 2 best players makes us unable to win even ONE GAME!!!

Look. Its almost impossible to find to find exactly the same situation to compare the Wizards to.

Show me the one you think is most similar and remove their best two players. Something similar to a #1 overall pick PG and a stud post player. Hell. The LAL struggled and they are supposed to be loaded.

You know what. I don't even care anymore. Stamp your feet like children. It makes no difference. Ted is going to follow his plan. And when they start winning people will follow and act like they saw it all along. People that bitch will continue to do so regardless. Thing is, they aren't likely to start winning until mid Dec so the complaining will continue and get worst until then.

They need Nene and Wall and they have to manage the Nene injury because Nene put them in this situation.

hands11 wrote:Stamp your feet like children.

Could you possibly be more condescending? Just curious.

I still think this team will make the 8th seed because I'm a crazy muthaFer. You are kind of preaching to the choir here. But:
The "model" that we were supposed to be following a la Ted's Plan, was that of OKC. They had the most similar situation 5 years ago. Except they drafted well (plus they were lucky to get a player of Durant's caliber), while we drafted Vesely.

hands11 wrote:

AFM wrote:Hands, the point he is trying to make is every team deals with injuries. Our roster shouldn't be constructed so that losing our 2 best players makes us unable to win even ONE GAME!!!

Look. Its almost impossible to find to find exactly the same situation to compare the Wizards to.

Show me the one you think is most similar and remove their best two players. Something similar to a #1 overall pick PG and a stud post player. Hell. The LAL struggled and they are supposed to be loaded.

You know what. I don't even care anymore. Stamp your feet like children. It makes no difference. Ted is going to follow his plan. And when they start winning people will follow and act like they saw it all along. People that bitch will continue to do so regardless. Thing is, they aren't likely to start winning until mid Dec so the complaining will continue and get worst until then.

They need Nene and Wall and they have to manage the Nene injury because Nene put them in this situation.

Minnesota lost Kevin Love, who is far better than Nene, and Ricky Rubio, who had more of a positive impact on their team last year than Wall did on the Wiz. They also had Buddinger go out with injury. And they have far more wins than we do.

Do you realize what this means? A team without its two best players -- at exactly the same positions as our missing players, but clearly better than ours -- and other injuries to key guys, and whose GM has been a laughingstock for years, is dramatically outperforming us. How bad does that make EG?

hands11 wrote:And when they start winning people will follow and act like they saw it all along.

It's like I've been saying for a long time. That they will do just that. What you just said they would do. Which I've always said they would do. Which I predicted you would say that I knew all along that you would remember that I posted in another thread that you foresaw all along that I basically have been pushing for that very thing that

willbcocks wrote:

hands11 wrote:

AFM wrote:Hands, the point he is trying to make is every team deals with injuries. Our roster shouldn't be constructed so that losing our 2 best players makes us unable to win even ONE GAME!!!

Look. Its almost impossible to find to find exactly the same situation to compare the Wizards to.

Show me the one you think is most similar and remove their best two players. Something similar to a #1 overall pick PG and a stud post player. Hell. The LAL struggled and they are supposed to be loaded.

You know what. I don't even care anymore. Stamp your feet like children. It makes no difference. Ted is going to follow his plan. And when they start winning people will follow and act like they saw it all along. People that bitch will continue to do so regardless. Thing is, they aren't likely to start winning until mid Dec so the complaining will continue and get worst until then.

They need Nene and Wall and they have to manage the Nene injury because Nene put them in this situation.

Minnesota lost Kevin Love, who is far better than Nene, and Ricky Rubio, who had more of a positive impact on their team last year than Wall did on the Wiz. They also had Buddinger go out with injury. And they have far more wins than we do.

Do you realize what this means? A team without its two best players -- at exactly the same positions as our missing players, but clearly better than ours -- and other injuries to key guys, and whose GM has been a laughingstock for years, is dramatically outperforming us. How bad does that make EG?

OH-SNAP, knockout punch delivered.

Illuminaire wrote:

hands11 wrote:Stamp your feet like children.

Could you possibly be more condescending? Just curious.

I was kind of buzzed so I doubt it. Thats about as condescending as I get.

willbcocks wrote:Minnesota lost Kevin Love, who is far better than Nene, and Ricky Rubio, who had more of a positive impact on their team last year than Wall did on the Wiz. They also had Buddinger go out with injury. And they have far more wins than we do.

Do you realize what this means? A team without its two best players -- at exactly the same positions as our missing players, but clearly better than ours -- and other injuries to key guys, and whose GM has been a laughingstock for years, is dramatically outperforming us. How bad does that make EG?

I don't think Rubio was clearly better than Wall.