Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

Post #871 » by **nate33** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:45 pm

llcc25 wrote:This one works on trade checker:

Crawford, Seraphin, and Vesely for Anderson. We get a a stretch 4 that can shoot that complements Wall and Beal and a lack of a shooting at SF.

Wall/Price
Beal/Webster
Ariza/Singleton
Anderson/Booker
Nene/Okafor

add BPA in upcoming draft and we look solid going into next year...

Interesting.

My first thought is to reject it because I don't want to give up so much for a stretch 4 being paid $9M a year. But then I stopped to think that I was just advocating giving up that much for a not-as-good stretch 4 (D.Williams), so maybe it makes some sense.

It's so tough when we're talking about Seraphin. Is he a hopeless tease of a player with too much tunnel vision and an inability to improve his bball IQ? Or is he a surprisingly skilled two-way player who can defend the post, block shots, nail jumpers with excellent accuracy, and score on the block, who only lacks the experience to react better to double teams?

Nivek · Post #872 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:56 pm

That Crawford, Seraphin and Vesely for Anderson deal is an absolute no-brainer. You make that trade 100 times out of a 100. Anderson is good. Really good. Highly productive, unique, and young.

I can't think of a good reason for New Orleans to make that trade, though.

Post #873 » by **Slartibartfast** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:00 pm

nate33 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Would you guys do Brandon Bass for Ariza?

I might do it for the Brandon Bass from last year. That guy was solid. The guy from this year doesn't look so good. Just 10 points and 7 boards per 36 minutes with a TS% of .498. Kevin Seraphin scores more points and grabs more boards in the same amount of time. And his shooting percentages on jumpers from 16-23 feet are actually better than Bass'.

I'd rather keep Ariza and go shopping for a new free agent when his contract expires in 2014.

Yeah, Bass has been pretty bad this year, but historically, he's been quite a bit better. Thanks for the feedback.

llcc25 · Post #874 » by **llcc25** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:04 pm

Nivek wrote:That Crawford, Seraphin and Vesely for Anderson deal is an absolute no-brainer. You make that trade 100 times out of a 100. Anderson is good. Really good. Highly productive, unique, and young.

I can't think of a good reason for New Orleans to make that trade, though.

According to reports, NO prefers Davis playing PF especially after bringing in Robin Lopez at Center. so that kind of leaves Anderson as odd man out in rotation and that would be the reason they would trade him.

Nivek · Post #875 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:15 pm

llcc25 wrote:
Nivek wrote:That Crawford, Seraphin and Vesely for Anderson deal is an absolute no-brainer. You make that trade 100 times out of a 100. Anderson is good. Really good. Highly productive, unique, and young.

I can't think of a good reason for New Orleans to make that trade, though.

According to reports, NO prefers Davis playing PF especially after bringing in Robin Lopez at Center. so that kind of leaves Anderson as odd man out in rotation and that would be the reason they would trade him.

With the way big man playing time is typically divvied up, they'd be smart to keep all 3. There'd be room for each of them to play 32 mpg. If I were running New Orleans, I wouldn't trade any of them.

GhostsOfGil · Post #876 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:21 pm

Nivek wrote:That Crawford, Seraphin and Vesely for Anderson deal is an absolute no-brainer. You make that trade 100 times out of a 100. Anderson is good. Really good. Highly productive, unique, and young.

I can't think of a good reason for New Orleans to make that trade, though.

Ya I'd be all over this. It's sad because we could have just signed Anderson in the offseason...

tontoz · Post #877 » by **tontoz** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:24 pm

Seraphin such an odd case. He does difficult things well but easy things horribly.

Post #878 » by **nate33** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:26 pm

A poster on the General Board posted some interesting screen caps of a frustrated Chris Bosh looking like he is sick of being the 3rd fiddle behind Lebron and Wade. Just for kicks, this trade might actually make some sense for all parties:

Miami trades: Bosh
Washington trades: Nene + Ariza + 1st round pick (top 10 prot. in 2013, top 3 prot. thereafter)

Miami gets a true center and a player who fits in better as a 3rd option and doesn't need so many touches. They also save about $15M in luxtax payments in 2015. They could save another $15M or so if they manage to flip Ariza for an expiring contract with a 3rd party involved.

Washington gets probably the best possible fit at PF among any player in the league. Bosh is a first option scorer who has the perimeter game to spread the floor for Wall or to run the pick and roll. Our lineup next year would be:

PG Wall
SG Beal/Crawford
SF Webster
PF Bosh/Booker
C Okafor/Seraphin

Add in a 2013 top 5 pick, an MLE-caliber free agent, and a few vet minimum guys and that's a real good team for a while.

GhostsOfGil · Post #879 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:37 pm

^ Not bad nate! I like this deal a lot. Does Miami bite? Is a top 10 protected first round pick enough?

tontoz · Post #880 » by **tontoz** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:41 pm

I haven't looked but isn't Bosh their best rebounder? That is their big weakness and Nene won't help.

jivelikenice · Post #881 » by **jivelikenice** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:48 pm

Bosh may be their best rebounder, but he also gets pushed around. They may not be ready to deal Bosh but i like the deal & it makes a lot of sense for both teams.

rockymac52 · Post #882 » by **rockymac52** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:57 pm

New Orleans isn't trading Ryan Anderson any time soon, unfortunately.

AFM · Post #883 » by **AFM** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:05 pm

tontoz wrote:Seraphin such an odd case. He does difficult things well but easy things horribly.

Is this the most truthful thing I've ever read?

AFM · Post #884 » by **AFM** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:07 pm

The man who has mastered the Dream Shake hook shot but can't get a rebound over a 12 year old girl.

Nivek · Post #885 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:22 pm

AFM wrote:The man who has mastered the Dream Shake hook shot but can't get a rebound over a 12 year old girl.

In his defense, this girl is pretty tough.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXYJfBMt0_E[/youtube]

DCZards · Post #886 » by **DCZards** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:40 pm

tontoz wrote:I haven't looked but isn't Bosh their best rebounder? That is their big weakness and Nene won't help.

Miami would probably prefer Okafor. They could use his rebounding and defensive toughness in the paint. In fact, I've been thinking that Miami might be already eyeballing Okafor.

Post #887 » by **nate33** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:57 pm

DCZards wrote:
tontoz wrote:I haven't looked but isn't Bosh their best rebounder? That is their big weakness and Nene won't help.

Miami would probably prefer Okafor. They could use his rebounding and defensive toughness in the paint. In fact, I've been thinking that Miami might be already eyeballing Okafor.

They don't have anything to trade for him... except Bosh.

tontoz · Post #888 » by **tontoz** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:00 pm

DCZards wrote:
tontoz wrote:I haven't looked but isn't Bosh their best rebounder? That is their big weakness and Nene won't help.

Miami would probably prefer Okafor. They could use his rebounding and defensive toughness in the paint. In fact, I've been thinking that Miami might be already eyeballing Okafor.

He would be a perfect fit there.

He has been playing well but his efficiency on offense is still pretty bad. Teams give him the midrange j and he obliges. He just can't make those with any consistency. That wouldn't be a problem with the Heat.

fishercob · Post #889 » by **fishercob** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:05 pm

nate33 wrote:A poster on the General Board posted some interesting screen caps of a frustrated Chris Bosh looking like he is sick of being the 3rd fiddle behind Lebron and Wade. Just for kicks, this trade might actually make some sense for all parties:

Miami trades: Bosh
Washington trades: Nene + Ariza + 1st round pick (top 10 prot. in 2013, top 3 prot. thereafter)

Miami gets a true center and a player who fits in better as a 3rd option and doesn't need so many touches. They also save about $15M in luxtax payments in 2015. They could save another $15M or so if they manage to flip Ariza for an expiring contract with a 3rd party involved.

Washington gets probably the best possible fit at PF among any player in the league. Bosh is a first option scorer who has the perimeter game to spread the floor for Wall or to run the pick and roll. Our lineup next year would be:

PG Wall
SG Beal/Crawford
SF Webster
PF Bosh/Booker
C Okafor/Seraphin

Add in a 2013 top 5 pick, an MLE-caliber free agent, and a few vet minimum guys and that's a real good team for a while.

Interesting!

My question is why Miami even wants Ariza in the deal? He's not getting any minutes in that wing rotation. WOuldn't they just prefer Nene or Nene + Seraphin? I'd consider adding any of our marginal young guys.

We'd be well over the cap next year but safely under the tax, yes?

popper · Post #890 » by **popper** » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:27 pm

Posted on Minny forum -response below

popper wrote:
Wiz Fan Here - I'd like Williams for some combination of Seraphin, Ariza, Vesely, Singleton, Webster, Crawford (not all of course but some combination of two for instance). Unless you guys are over-valuing Williams by a lot then I see no reason a trade couldn't be worked out. I hope our GM is talking to your GM.

Reddick is going to be a pure rental for whoever gets him which should drive down his value significantly.

From Minny Fan
Yep, Seraphin and Webster package looks great to me. Seraphin give us a big that can play both positions and will be able to find minutes even when Love is back. Webster is a perfect short term patch on the wings since he plays both 2 & 3, plus he's familiar with the team.