Mack is Back / Update: Nevermind

TheBigThree · Post #46 » by **TheBigThree** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:09 pm

Scott Machado, come on down?

rockymac52 · Post #47 » by **rockymac52** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:12 pm

Prediction: Bobby Brown

Post #48 » by **miller31time** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:12 pm

Post #49 » by **miller31time** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:15 pm

rockymac52 wrote:Prediction: Bobby Brown

I guess that's....your prerogative.

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Induveca · Post #50 » by **Induveca** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:20 pm

And.....Mack's career is over. Too bad for the guy.

MikeTheKid · Post #51 » by **MikeTheKid** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 8:20 pm

miller31time wrote:
rockymac52 wrote:Prediction: Bobby Brown

I guess that's....your prerogative.

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crackhed · Post #52 » by **crackhed** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 10:41 pm

u gotta love this organization

Nivek · Post #53 » by **Nivek** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:05 pm

With today's news, I ran a quick stats update. Using my stat (PPA), where 100 = average; higher is better and 45 = replacement level, Mack has a 70 and Temple a 45.

For the second time this season, the Wizards have released Mack to keep a less productive player.

Nivek · Post #54 » by **Nivek** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:07 pm

Gotta say, it doesn't matter all that much -- Mack wasn't about to become a great PG. But, if you're keeping a scrub around, why not the more productive scrub?

closg00 · Post #55 » by **closg00** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:12 pm

Nivek wrote:With today's news, I ran a quick stats update. Using my stat (PPA), where 100 = average; higher is better and 45 = replacement level, Mack has a 70 and Temple a 45.

For the second time this season, the Wizards have released Mack to keep a less productive player.

Are your numbers influenced at-all by Temple poor shooting of-late?

Nivek · Post #56 » by **Nivek** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:21 pm

closg00 wrote:
Nivek wrote:With today's news, I ran a quick stats update. Using my stat (PPA), where 100 = average; higher is better and 45 = replacement level, Mack has a 70 and Temple a 45.

For the second time this season, the Wizards have released Mack to keep a less productive player.

Are your numbers influenced at-all by Temple poor shooting of-late?

Sure. Efficiency is an important factor.

There's not a ton of difference between them except that Mack shot badly during his brief stint and Temple somehow shot even worse. My guess is that Temple will probably revert to his usual awful shooting pretty soon -- which while awful is still better than his shooting so far.

I mean, think about it a second -- Temple is now with his 6th NBA team. In 219 minutes, he has an efg of .323 (not a typo), has a turnover rate of 20.1 (in other words 1-in-5 of the possessions he uses is a turnover), has an offensive rating of 89 (which is 16 points below league average -- but is right at his career average), and yet somehow he was worth guaranteed money for the rest of the season.

The Wizards could throw a rock at D-League PGs and hit someone who could do this.

hands11 · Post #57 » by **hands11** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:21 pm

hands11 wrote:With Temple shining and likely to take the starting PG spot until Wall returns, Mack is back all right. Likely back to the DL once Wall returns.

He will have to battle it out with Price who is faster and a better defender and who can hit the 3 ball some. Mack got torched last night by Jameer Nelson who is 6-0. It took Temple coming in to save the day. Nelson was on fire in the first half. Temple shut him down. Nelson didn't score in the second half. Wiz had the lead at half time and instead of losing it with another crap ass Randy line up, he started Temple and they extended it.

Temple so far is looking really good. He is 26. Been around the league some. He is hungry and confident and he is a 6-6 PG who can defend and who can play at the SG as well. He is Livingston with defense and a better shot. And healthy legs. This kid is looking like the story of the year.

Temple is a much better fit then Mack is.

Personally, once Wall returns, I would dump both Price and Mack and open a slot to try out other SGs and SFs. Look for some pure shooters. If you find one, dump Martin and that open another slot. Warming up a set for you Mr James Singleton.

It was only a matter of time. It was fun to see him return for a short while though.

He is nice young man. I hope things work out for him somewhere.

hands11 · Post #58 » by **hands11** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:31 pm

Nivek wrote:With today's news, I ran a quick stats update. Using my stat (PPA), where 100 = average; higher is better and 45 = replacement level, Mack has a 70 and Temple a 45.

For the second time this season, the Wizards have released Mack to keep a less productive player.

I think Temple was the better keep given Wall and Price are returning. Temple clearly defend better and he can guard more positions. Given he doesn't even really know the playbook yet, I'm guessing they are looking at it like that. A bench player with a defined skill who can get better with experience.

Heard to write this because I know it falls right into a stereo type move for this organization but...

He has more potential then Mack

Temple still has to fight it out with Price though so he is just a bench guard until he proves he should get the minutes over Crawford and Price.

DCZards · Post #59 » by **DCZards** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 3:22 am

Nivek wrote:With today's news, I ran a quick stats update. Using my stat (PPA), where 100 = average; higher is better and 45 = replacement level, Mack has a 70 and Temple a 45.

For the second time this season, the Wizards have released Mack to keep a less productive player.

Do those numbers take into account Temple's superior D, size, length and athleticism?

Nivek · Post #60 » by **Nivek** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:05 pm

DCZards wrote:
Nivek wrote:With today's news, I ran a quick stats update. Using my stat (PPA), where 100 = average; higher is better and 45 = replacement level, Mack has a 70 and Temple a 45.

For the second time this season, the Wizards have released Mack to keep a less productive player.

Do those numbers take into account Temple's superior D, size, length and athleticism?

Yes.

Post #61 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 2:31 pm

hands11 wrote:
Nivek wrote:With today's news, I ran a quick stats update. Using my stat (PPA), where 100 = average; higher is better and 45 = replacement level, Mack has a 70 and Temple a 45.

For the second time this season, the Wizards have released Mack to keep a less productive player.

I think Temple was the better keep given Wall and Price are returning. Temple clearly defend better and he can guard more positions. Given he doesn't even really know the playbook yet, I'm guessing they are looking at it like that. A bench player with a defined skill who can get better with experience.

Heard to write this because I know it falls right into a stereo type move for this organization but...

He has more potential then Mack

Temple still has to fight it out with Price though so he is just a bench guard until he proves he should get the minutes over Crawford and Price.

I agree. Nivek may be right that Mack is a better overall player than Temple, but with Wall and Price back, our need was to have a 5th guard who was a specialist. Mack doesn't do anything that Wall, Price and/or Crawford can't do better, so there really wouldn't ever be a need to have Mack on the floor (barring injury). Temple, on the other hand, has a specific skill that he does better than everybody else in the backcourt. He is a very good defender. There may be situations in the future where Temple gets minutes as a defensive specialist, even though Wall and Price are healthy.

tontoz · Post #62 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 2:56 pm

Temple's numbers are bad primarily because his shooting has been horrid. However i would expect his shooting to get better as he gets more comfortable.

He definitely looks like a better player than Mack even if his production might be worse. With such a small sample size i don't put a lot of weight into the numbers anyway.

Nivek · Post #63 » by **Nivek** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 2:59 pm

Only scenario I can really see where Temple might play over Wall or Price because of his defense would be a single possession late in a game or a half. I wouldn't exactly call that a "need" for the Wizards. What they need are productive players. That isn't Temple. Maybe by some magic he'll become a competent backup. His career PPA (819 minutes) is below replacement level. This season he's right at replacement level. But perhaps he'll do something for the Wizards that he hasn't done elsewhere.

By the way, recall that I liked the Temple signing when they did it. He was one of the more productive PGs in D-League. He was worth a look. Unfortunately, he's playing similarly in Washington as he has at his other NBA stops.

It's pretty clear they don't want Mack. Given that, it probably would have been better to cut both Mack and Temple and try again with another D-League type.

Like I said before, this isn't a monumental issue. Neither guy is going to change the franchise's fortunes.

Post #64 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 3:17 pm

FWIW, Temple has very nice on/off numbers. The team's ORtg differential when Temple is on the court is 8.5 points higher than when he is off the court. Sample size is clearly an issue, but perhaps management felt that the team playing better with Temple on the floor was more than just a statistical fluke.

Nivek · Post #65 » by **Nivek** » Tue Jan 8, 2013 3:35 pm

nate33 wrote:FWIW, Temple has very nice on/off numbers. The team's ORtg differential when Temple is on the court is 8.5 points higher than when he is off the court. Sample size is clearly an issue, but perhaps management felt that the team playing better with Temple on the floor was more than just a statistical fluke.

It would be nuts to use on/off numbers from 255 total minutes to reach this kind of conclusion, which means this is almost certainly how they made their decision.