Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V

[nate33]

Continued from here

[Rafael122]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/5/20 ... draft-2013

I'm sorry to say but reading that, Bennett basically sounds like Andray Blatche without the attitude problems. The kid isn't even going to get off the bench if his defense is as bad as Prada says it is.

[Dark Faze]

Porter is the no brainer pick. He's got Tony Allen and Tayshaun Prince defensive potential (maybe better) with much higher offensive potential than either. He's an extremely high IQ player with great character.

There shouldn't even be an argument.

Bennett has a ton of red flags.

[Dat2U]

Regarding the Porter debate, why is Webster even factoring into who we draft? Webster is a UFA coming off a a career year after signing for the vet minimum. We are talking about adding a 3rd piece to build around. Webster should be an afterthought right now.

[mhd]

Man, Nate, I had a great post I was writing up!

Suffice to say my post was: that EG isn't dumb enough to pass on Noel if he's available. If he's not, then I could see EG trading #3+Ves for #9+Derrick Williams and drafting Len with the 9th pick. Also could see trading #3 for #4 for Det future 1st to ensure Charlotte gets Mclemore. Also could see #3+Ves+Singleton for Gortat OR Dudley+#5.

[mhd]

Regarding the Porter debate, why is Webster even factoring into who we draft? Webster is a UFA coming off a a career year after signing for the vet minimum. We are talking about adding a 3rd piece to build around. Webster should be an afterthought right now.

I just don't think Porter is that much better than Webster is. Porter will be making roughly the same as a resigned Webster would be. Dat, you said it yourself, finding cheap vet swingmen is available every off-season. If Porter is basically the next Tayshaun Prince (a 4th banana on a winning team), why waste the #3 pick on him? Porter doesn't have Paul George athleticism. I don't think he's as good an athlete as Batum is either.

[Rafael122]

Regarding the Porter debate, why is Webster even factoring into who we draft? Webster is a UFA coming off a a career year after signing for the vet minimum. We are talking about adding a 3rd piece to build around. Webster should be an afterthought right now.

Yeah, Webster's not coming back next year.

Also keep in mind regarding Bennett, he's hurt. He can't do workouts, can't work out, he can't do anything. Did you see him tonight? His arm is in a sling and and on top of that there seemed to be a pillow in between his arm and his body.

You're sitting there at 3, why would you take him? Based on the game tape from this past season? Porter had a great season and was a finalist for Player of the Year if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention Bennett doesn't have a natural position, apparently can't play defense....Porter is the no brainer pick.

[GhostsOfGil]

I think I would do 3 + ves for 9 + Dwill. Then draft Zeller or Len.

[FreeBalling]

I think we have to listen to all interested parties at 3. We are talking about EG picking JV right. Listen and learn.

[pancakes3]

I don't like Bennett's attitude either. The interview where he says he envisions himself a shooting guard rubs me the wrong way. Porter is not only the safe bet but it's a good bet too. It's not like Porter has a low ceiling. He's a 50/40/80 shooter that took 3+ threes and 5+ FT's with an all-around game playing in the best conference in basketball. Caron Butler with added length is his floor imo.

Also, there's zippy chance the Cavs pass on Noel. If we were drafting 1st overall we'd take Noel and we've got Nene and Okafor on the roster. Verajao's played in 31, 25, an 25 games the past 3 seasons respectively and is turning 31 before next season. Noel plugs a hole right where their extremely young core needs it.

[Rafael122]

Regarding the Porter debate, why is Webster even factoring into who we draft? Webster is a UFA coming off a a career year after signing for the vet minimum. We are talking about adding a 3rd piece to build around. Webster should be an afterthought right now.

I just don't think Porter is that much better than Webster is. Porter will be making roughly the same as a resigned Webster would be. Dat, you said it yourself, finding cheap vet swingmen is available every off-season. If Porter is basically the next Tayshaun Prince (a 4th banana on a winning team), why waste the #3 pick on him? Porter doesn't have Paul George athleticism. I don't think he's as good an athlete as Batum is either.

Webster was almost out of the league last season until the Wizards took a chance on him. Now he's irreplaceable? Why? Because Wall and Beal like him? Porter is 19 years old! Dude doesn't even turn 20 until early June.

You're talking a Porter/Wall/Beal led team for the next 10 years.

[nuposse04]

Webster is a fine role player but he clearly gets overmatched by elite SFs. He's best suited as a 6th man. The odd man out should be Ariza.

[Terpman]

I think Porter is the small forward version of Bradley Beal. Solid defender, very good 3p/fg/ft shooter, solid fundamentals, & good character guy.
Draft him or Noel, or trade back.

[Dat2U]

The two guys that scare me at #3 are Bennett & McLemore.

I've screamed from the top of the mountains regarding McLemore's concerns and I've still have yet to hear a clear cut example in this era where a G came into the league with such limited handle and became anything noteworthy.

I wonder about Bennett's basketball character. The way he plays (er, doesn't play) defense disturbs me. He was dogging it on that end of the court even before the shoulder issue popped up. And tweeners have the hardest transition of all. It's going to be an especially hard transition for a tweener forward from a mid level school who doesn't care about defense.

At this point, I'm looking at Noel, Porter or Oladipo. Those have been my top 3 for a while, long before tonight. I'd be very happy with any of them at this stage.

[FreeBalling]

I think we have to listen to all interested parties at 3. We are talking about EG picking JV right. Listen and learn.

Failure is not an option at this point.

[mhd]

Regarding the Porter debate, why is Webster even factoring into who we draft? Webster is a UFA coming off a a career year after signing for the vet minimum. We are talking about adding a 3rd piece to build around. Webster should be an afterthought right now.

I just don't think Porter is that much better than Webster is. Porter will be making roughly the same as a resigned Webster would be. Dat, you said it yourself, finding cheap vet swingmen is available every off-season. If Porter is basically the next Tayshaun Prince (a 4th banana on a winning team), why waste the #3 pick on him? Porter doesn't have Paul George athleticism. I don't think he's as good an athlete as Batum is either.

Webster was almost out of the league last season until the Wizards took a chance on him. Now he's irreplaceable? Why? Because Wall and Beal like him? Porter is 19 years old! Dude doesn't even turn 20 until early June.

You're talking a Porter/Wall/Beal led team for the next 10 years.

WHo is also represented by a complete a-hole who publicly slammed Wall. Don't think EG doesn't remember that. I think Porter is a nice prospect, and I'd be fine taking him if the Wiz traded down and picked up an asset, but he's not a future all-star IMO. He doesn't have the athleticism.

[Ruzious]

To those who insist Oladipo can't play the 3, you're wrong. It might not be his best position, but he can play it. His max verticle reach was about 2 inches short of the best at the combine and 5 inches longer than 7 foot center Olynyk - and his wingspan was a half inch shorter than Olynyk's. He weighed in at 213 lbs (14 more than Porter) and is very strong.

[Dark Faze]

I think Porter is the small forward version of Bradley Beal. Solid defender, very good 3p/fg/ft shooter, solid fundamentals, & good character guy.
Draft him or Noel, or trade back.

Agreed

And lol @ wanting us to trade down to get Derrick Williams. That kid is a bust.

Let Webster walk, he's an injury waiting to happen. Use whats rest of the cap for bench depth.

[mhd]

I seriously think EG would trade down with Minny for Derrick WIlliams in a Ves swap. Its an interesting trade proposal. Poster on the trade board even offered Minny's #26. The Wiz could probably get Len/Zeller with that 9th pick.

Would a #3+Ves+Knicks 2nd rounder for #9+Derrick Williams+#26 deal be palatable for the fellow Wiz fans?

[Deeptu McPullup]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/5/20/4348676/anthony-bennett-scouting-report-nba-draft-2013

I'm sorry to say but reading that, Bennett basically sounds like Andray Blatche without the attitude problems. The kid isn't even going to get off the bench if his defense is as bad as Prada says it is.

Yes. Blatche came to mind when I watched him against the Golden Bears in the tournament.

On both sides of the ball.

In fairness, he did have a bum shoulder, so who knows.....

Well I guess we can put the Olynyk vs. Zeller debates to rest

you still think we should trade the pick?

If the right offer comes along. I wouldn't trade it unless it was really a strong offer though. Drafting 3rd gives us some options.

"Trade the pick for a young big who you wouldn't feel bad about extending at somewhere north of $13 million a year" is far and away my best case.

Monroe, Kanter or Favors, Cousins & Patterson.....these sorts of guys. I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of who.

Let it be known publicly that you're in love with whoever is there at 3, but are open to listening to offers. Privately, I like the guys at 3 better as trade chips than as Wizards.

The only thing that gives me pause is that Nerlens Noah, I mean, Noel, might well slip to us. I have had wanted nothing to do with him thus far, but I better watch the tape a bit more before going too far with that. I could warm up to him.

Otherwise, I want an actual big to round out the big three and I'm shooting higher than Bennet or Len type guys as of now.

If we can't find a legit singular piece in a trade, take Office-Dipo and remain flexible. He can get plenty of minutes with us if we go small for a few years.

I'd be somewhat open to a trade back, though not wildly excited. Getting more players just means you'll eventually have more contracts to sign at more money than you can afford.