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Sources: Nuggets Gauging Trade Value Of Kenneth Faried
Oct 22, 2013 4:12 PM EDT

The Denver Nuggets have put out targeted trade feelers on Kenneth Faried to gauge his value, according to multiple sources around the NBA.

The Nuggets have demanded a very good return for Faried.

Faried averaged 11 points and 9.2 rebounds last season, winning the MVP award of the Rookie-Sophomore Game at All-Star Weekend.

The Nuggets, for their part, deny they have put Faried's name out there at all.
Via Zach Lowe/Grantland

To keep the 2014 1st or get Faried that is the question

In a second I would trade Wall and Porter for Faried and Lawson......and obviously fillers. Beal is our future.

Sadly however, in NBA 2K14....I continuously use Wall. Love the kid as a player, just haven't bought into him as a max player.

MikeTheKid wrote:

Sources: Nuggets Gauging Trade Value Of Kenneth Faried
Oct 22, 2013 4:12 PM EDT

The Denver Nuggets have put out targeted trade feelers on Kenneth Faried to gauge his value, according to multiple sources around the NBA.

The Nuggets have demanded a very good return for Faried.

Faried averaged 11 points and 9.2 rebounds last season, winning the MVP award of the Rookie-Sophomore Game at All-Star Weekend.

The Nuggets, for their part, deny they have put Faried's name out there at all.
Via Zach Lowe/Grantland

To keep the 2014 1st or get Faried that is the question

Our 2014 1st rounder won't be that good assuming we are a playoff-caliber team. I'd trade it for Faried in a heartbeat. Doubt Denver would bite, though.

Induveca wrote:In a second I would trade Wall and Porter for Faried and Lawson......and obviously fillers. Beal is our future.

Sadly however, in NBA 2K14....I continuously use Wall. Love the kid as a player, just haven't bought into him as a max player.

I've liked Lawson since he won the NCAA and I also like Faried although I think some
folks here hate EG so much they overrate KF as proof of how bad EG is. All that said,
I do not think I would make that trade and I'm not even that sure about Porter. How
could anyone be that sure?

Lawson back in DC would be good for marketing and even though I like Lawson
and do think he is pretty good, I'm not sure how much better he can get. Wall
potentially is a top 5 player in the league. We've seen it if only for a limited time.
I doubt Lawson will reach that level.

This is a great example of proactive management. The Nuggets recognize that in a salary cap world, they probably won't be able to pay Faried his market value when his rookie deal expires. And if they wait until his 4th year, his trade value will drop because people won't want to pay a soon-to-be free agent. Trading him right now, at the start of his third season, maximizes his value.

nate33 wrote:This is a great example of proactive management. The Nuggets recognize that in a salary cap world, they probably won't be able to pay Faried his market value when his rookie deal expires. And if they wait until his 4th year, his trade value will drop because people won't want to pay a soon-to-be free agent. Trading him right now, at the start of his third season, maximizes his value.

^THIS x100.

Alternatively, the Nuggets might be able to pay Faried's market value, but they might not be interested in doing so, since he's likely to command a very large salary. He's fantastic on a rookie deal obviously, but is he good enough to warrant paying $11-12 million a year for him? That's the salary I'd expect him to get on the open market, in line with Ibaka's deal and the other second tier big men. Hell, it's even possible he commands a max deal. If that's the case, suddenly he becomes a much less appealing player.

If the Nuggets expect this and don't think it would be good value to sign him to that expensive of a contract, then this is absolutely the right time to get rid of him. We've seen the trend in recent years - if a very good player is on an expiring deal and everyone in the league knows he's bolting in free agency, it's nearly impossible to trade him away for decent value. Trading him a year earlier avoids that.

Also, I hate to be this guy, but if you had to guess which franchise would be on the other end of such a deal, and end up paying him near-max money in 2 years when he's not quite worth it, wouldn't it be the Wizards?

I am firmly in the WTF camp. Assuming that they are looking at it from Nate's perspective i have to wonder why they would be willing to pay big money for guys like Gallo and McGee but not Faried, especially since they know they have him cheap for the next two seasons.

With that said, I would love to see Faried on the Wizards, and if there's any truth to this rumor, I'd hope we make an aggressive offer. Still not sure exactly what that offer is, considering Wall and Beal are off limits, but for starters, I'd gladly give away our 2014 1st round pick unprotected.

tontoz wrote:I am firmly in the WTF camp. Assuming that they are looking at it from Nate's perspective i have to wonder why they would be willing to pay big money for guys like Gallo and McGee but not Faried, especially since they know they have him cheap for the next two seasons.

Gallo and McGee were signed by the previous front office. As far as we know, the new front office sees things very differently, not just regarding Faried, but also potentially with Gallo and/or McGee as well. They might be interested in trading both of those guys too, although it seems they want to give it a go with McGee for now.

They also might be able to get pretty damn good value for Faried right now. I don't think the Wizards can produce that competitive of an offer, honestly. I'm sure there will be plenty of other teams that would be willing to give up their unprotected 1st this year in addition to some other legit assets, but I'm not sure we have enough additional assets to get it done. Hope I'm wrong.

The asking price will be too high. Especially when considering that the Nuggs have "officially" denied he is on the block, yet this news is out there, an obvious bargaining tactic.

He is EXACTLY what we need right now. I wish it would pan out, but we just dont have the pieces. They would want more than our 14 1st, and there is no way i'd throw Porter in to the deal. I doubt they would be interested in Porter alone, either.

dangermouse wrote:The asking price will be too high. Especially when considering that the Nuggs have "officially" denied he is on the block, yet this news is out there, an obvious bargaining tactic.

He is EXACTLY what we need right now. I wish it would pan out, but we just dont have the pieces. They would want more than our 14 1st, and there is no way i'd throw Porter in to the deal. I doubt they would be interested in Porter alone, either.

So far all I've been able to come up with that I think is fair value is a trade centered on Porter, and possibly our 2014 1st rounder as well. While I'd be open to that trade as a Wizards fan, I don't think the Nuggets bite, but only because they already have Gallo and Chandler at SF, so Porter is pretty redundant for them. Maybe if we got a 3rd team involved, but then they could probably just cut us out of the deal and get Faried themselves.

Are we taking into account their salary situation? Faried doesn't make much, so the salary going back has to be minimal. They have the Iguodola trade exemption but do they want back much salary considering they're tied into Javale/Ty/Gallo longterm. If they take back significant salary they're pretty much stuck. If Faried is not in Shaw's plans, I think a package of picks will get it done. If he's not in their plans it makes sense to make the move sooner rather than later. If his pt is down, they'll devalue him. That plus as time ticks down on his rookie deal and a big bill awaits whoever receives him, each day will diminish his value ever so slightly.

nate33 wrote:This is a great example of proactive management. The Nuggets recognize that in a salary cap world, they probably won't be able to pay Faried his market value when his rookie deal expires. And if they wait until his 4th year, his trade value will drop because people won't want to pay a soon-to-be free agent. Trading him right now, at the start of his third season, maximizes his value.

Like we should have done with Gil.

It looks like SG is the Nuggets biggest need. However I don't think they are going to get one back. I think they would try to get Beal from the Wizards. It might be tempting if they add a pick, but that might be too high a price. Porter seems about right in terms of value, and the fit is good for the Wizards. I wonder if the goal with dealing Faried is to get immediate help at SF or PF. Gallo will be out with a torn ACL for most of this calendar year.

rockymac52 wrote:

dangermouse wrote:The asking price will be too high. Especially when considering that the Nuggs have "officially" denied he is on the block, yet this news is out there, an obvious bargaining tactic.

He is EXACTLY what we need right now. I wish it would pan out, but we just dont have the pieces. They would want more than our 14 1st, and there is no way i'd throw Porter in to the deal. I doubt they would be interested in Porter alone, either.

So far all I've been able to come up with that I think is fair value is a trade centered on Porter, and possibly our 2014 1st rounder as well. While I'd be open to that trade as a Wizards fan, I don't think the Nuggets bite, but only because they already have Gallo and Chandler at SF, so Porter is pretty redundant for them. Maybe if we got a 3rd team involved, but then they could probably just cut us out of the deal and get Faried themselves.

I would include Porter for Faried but I agree, Otto is redundant to Gallo/Chandler.

I think the Wizards could acquire Faried if they were willing to do something like Porter+Ariza for Faried+Chandler.

Might take some added filler from the Wizards, but I think at this point Ariza's expiring deal might be appealing to the Nuggets. Brian Shaw was IIRC Laker assistant coach when Ariza helped LAL win a title. I don't think Wilson's Chandler's deal is a good one for the Nuggets, particularly when Gallo returns to form. Denver should leap on trading Chandler. Otto at 20 might be very appealing to Shaw, because of what Porter might do in the Triangle offense.

Not saying this is good for Washington, but I think it realistically gets Faried.

verbal8 wrote:It looks like SG is the Nuggets biggest need. However I don't think they are going to get one back. I think they would try to get Beal from the Wizards. It might be tempting if they add a pick, but that might be too high a price. Porter seems about right in terms of value, and the fit is good for the Wizards. I wonder if the goal with dealing Faried is to get immediate help at SF or PF. Gallo will be out with a torn ACL for most of this calendar year.

Again, I think Porter+Ariza for Faried+Chandler works for Denver. Not sure I like it for Washington, but it does seem to fill a need (rebounding/energy).

FWIW, I'm not a fan of Wilson Chandler's game. I could tolerate him off the bench if Faried became a Wizard as part of the deal.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:

verbal8 wrote:It looks like SG is the Nuggets biggest need. However I don't think they are going to get one back. I think they would try to get Beal from the Wizards. It might be tempting if they add a pick, but that might be too high a price. Porter seems about right in terms of value, and the fit is good for the Wizards. I wonder if the goal with dealing Faried is to get immediate help at SF or PF. Gallo will be out with a torn ACL for most of this calendar year.

Again, I think Porter+Ariza for Faried+Chandler works for Denver. Not sure I like it for Washington, but it does seem to fill a need (rebounding/energy).

FWIW, I'm not a fan of Wilson Chandler's game. I could tolerate him off the bench if Faried became a Wizard as part of the deal.

That would be an incredible deal for the Wizards, IMO. And that's coming from a fan of the Otto Porter draft choice.

I'm not sure the Nuggets would do it though. I think we'd have to include our 1st round pick, which I'd seriously consider.

Wall/Maynor
Beal/Rice/Temple
Webster/Chandler
Faried/Booker/Harrington/Vesely/Singleton
Nene/Seraphin/Okafor*

It would eat into our max cap space this summer, but we'd still have about $10 million available, which could land us a very solid player or two. All we'd need is a better backup PG or combo guard, and then some depth in the front court backing up Faried and Nene (we could very conceivably just re-sign a couple of our current backup bigs).

rockymac52 wrote:

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:

verbal8 wrote:It looks like SG is the Nuggets biggest need. However I don't think they are going to get one back. I think they would try to get Beal from the Wizards. It might be tempting if they add a pick, but that might be too high a price. Porter seems about right in terms of value, and the fit is good for the Wizards. I wonder if the goal with dealing Faried is to get immediate help at SF or PF. Gallo will be out with a torn ACL for most of this calendar year.

Again, I think Porter+Ariza for Faried+Chandler works for Denver. Not sure I like it for Washington, but it does seem to fill a need (rebounding/energy).

FWIW, I'm not a fan of Wilson Chandler's game. I could tolerate him off the bench if Faried became a Wizard as part of the deal.

That would be an incredible deal for the Wizards, IMO. And that's coming from a fan of the Otto Porter draft choice.

I'm not sure the Nuggets would do it though. I think we'd have to include our 1st round pick, which I'd seriously consider.

Wall/Maynor
Beal/Rice/Temple
Webster/Chandler
Faried/Booker/Harrington/Vesely/Singleton
Nene/Seraphin/Okafor*

It would eat into our max cap space this summer, but we'd still have about $10 million available, which could land us a very solid player or two. All we'd need is a better backup PG or combo guard, and then some depth in the front court backing up Faried and Nene (we could very conceivably just re-sign a couple of our current backup bigs).

I woudn't give up Otto, cap relief and a 1st round pick. That's too much IMO for Faried with two less seasons on his rookie deal. Kind of like with Paul Millsap, what will probably happen is Faried will become far less of a value player when he signs a huge contract. Plus, I'm thinking Otto has to be better than he showed early in summer league, before he got hurt.

rocky, I see you're thinking this summer the Wizards would look good. I think long-term, however, they'd be hurting with Faried needing a long-term deal. Okafor would either be long gone or he'd make signing Faried difficult in two years. I don't know, but I think that's what would happen beyond this one season. Plus, Beal's deal in two years will be a max deal, most likely.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:

rockymac52 wrote:

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Again, I think Porter+Ariza for Faried+Chandler works for Denver. Not sure I like it for Washington, but it does seem to fill a need (rebounding/energy).

FWIW, I'm not a fan of Wilson Chandler's game. I could tolerate him off the bench if Faried became a Wizard as part of the deal.

That would be an incredible deal for the Wizards, IMO. And that's coming from a fan of the Otto Porter draft choice.

I'm not sure the Nuggets would do it though. I think we'd have to include our 1st round pick, which I'd seriously consider.

Wall/Maynor
Beal/Rice/Temple
Webster/Chandler
Faried/Booker/Harrington/Vesely/Singleton
Nene/Seraphin/Okafor*

It would eat into our max cap space this summer, but we'd still have about $10 million available, which could land us a very solid player or two. All we'd need is a better backup PG or combo guard, and then some depth in the front court backing up Faried and Nene (we could very conceivably just re-sign a couple of our current backup bigs).

I woudn't give up Otto, cap relief and a 1st round pick. That's too much IMO for Faried with two less seasons on his rookie deal. Kind of like with Paul Millsap, what will probably happen is Faried will become far less of a value player when he signs a huge contract. Plus, I'm thinking Otto has to be better than he showed early in summer league, before he got hurt.

rocky, I see you're thinking this summer the Wizards would look good. I think long-term, however, they'd be hurting with Faried needing a long-term deal. Okafor would either be long gone or he'd make signing Faried difficult in two years. I don't know, but I think that's what would happen beyond this one season. Plus, Beal's deal in two years will be a max deal, most likely.

I think what it comes down to is that I value Wilson Chandler a lot more than you do. I'm not looking at this trade as Ariza, Porter, and a 1st for Faried, I'm looking at it as Ariza, Porter, and a 1st for Faried AND Chandler. I agree with most of the stuff you're saying though.

Long-term I don't think we'd be as bad off as you fear. Beal is going to be extended regardless of this trade, so that's a non-factor. With Wall and Beal on max contracts in a couple years, we can either fill out the rest of the roster with a few solid veterans and rookie scale contracts, or we could try and sign a third max caliber player, although that would eat up almost all of our cap space, so that third player better be worth it. Faried will command a lot of money, probably around $10 million a season or so. But don't forget that Nene will eventually come off the books (or we could trade him for salary cap relief now that we have another capable big man in Faried). The core group will be in place and secure for the foreseeable future. Wall/Beal/Webster+Chandler/Faried/Nene. Then in a few years when Nene expires, hopefully some of our backups have developed into a starting caliber big man, or we could use the additional cap space now that Nene's off the books to shore up our spot down low. Basically we're not in any worse of a situation going forward as we currently are.

rockymac52 wrote:

dangermouse wrote:The asking price will be too high. Especially when considering that the Nuggs have "officially" denied he is on the block, yet this news is out there, an obvious bargaining tactic.

He is EXACTLY what we need right now. I wish it would pan out, but we just dont have the pieces. They would want more than our 14 1st, and there is no way i'd throw Porter in to the deal. I doubt they would be interested in Porter alone, either.

So far all I've been able to come up with that I think is fair value is a trade centered on Porter, and possibly our 2014 1st rounder as well. While I'd be open to that trade as a Wizards fan, I don't think the Nuggets bite, but only because they already have Gallo and Chandler at SF, so Porter is pretty redundant for them. Maybe if we got a 3rd team involved, but then they could probably just cut us out of the deal and get Faried themselves.

You only say that because we can't trust EG to pick the right player with a draft pick. Other then that, no way I give up next years draft pick in a trade for Faried. There have been a number of good draft classes recently. Thats how you got a Faried later in the draft. There will be more opportunities to get good players for cheap. We just need a new GM who is better at finding the right players in the draft.