Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[LyricalRico]

Here's where we left off...

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[rl25g]

so anyway we can get a good third guard?

i'm really wishing we pushed for Dragic in the deal with the Suns :/

He would've been perfect behind Wall/Beal

[SUPERBALLMAN]

so anyway we can get a good third guard?

i'm really wishing we pushed for Dragic in the deal with the Suns :/

He would've been perfect behind Wall/Beal

Orlando reportedly trying to move Jameer Nelson.

Also anyone on Toronto that may interest you? Kyle Lowry?

Either team wants a 1st round pick in return though I'm sure, and we already traded ours. Maybe we could deal a young player like Seraphin or Booker with a 2nd?

[rl25g]

Vesley, Maynor, Rights to Satornasky and 2014 second for Lowry

thats the best i could do.

[hands11]

so anyway we can get a good third guard?

i'm really wishing we pushed for Dragic in the deal with the Suns :/

He would've been perfect behind Wall/Beal

Orlando reportedly trying to move Jameer Nelson.

Also anyone on Toronto that may interest you? Kyle Lowry?

Either team wants a 1st round pick in return though I'm sure, and we already traded ours. Maybe we could deal a young player like Seraphin or Booker with a 2nd?

Hey yeah. Bring Lowry. They can have Maynor and Booker, Singleton.

The NBA announced Tuesday that the 2013-14 salary cap will be $58.7 million, the luxury tax line will be $71.7 million and the salary cap floor will be $52.8 million.

They are over the cap $73,646,358. We can off relief.

We will even take Tyler Hansbrough back just to help.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

so anyway we can get a good third guard?

i'm really wishing we pushed for Dragic in the deal with the Suns :/

He would've been perfect behind Wall/Beal

Orlando reportedly trying to move Jameer Nelson.

Also anyone on Toronto that may interest you? Kyle Lowry?

Either team wants a 1st round pick in return though I'm sure, and we already traded ours. Maybe we could deal a young player like Seraphin or Booker with a 2nd?

Hey yeah. Bring Lowry. They can have Maynor and Booker, Singleton.

Maynor can't be dealt til mid december. Singleton broken foot... Booker and Seraphin would work.

I don't know. We'd have to rely on Nene and Vesely to back up Gortat. Harrington, Vesely, Ariza as PF depth behind Nene. It would also open a roster spot though, maybe bring back someone like Pops or Childress, or some other Dleague banger?

I do think Lowry would be a great addition to our backcourt.

[LyricalRico]

Toronto gave up a first to get Lowry. I think they'd rather get more than expiring for him, or at least use him to dump another contract. Same with Amir Johnson, a PF I'd really be interested in.

One guy we might be able to get for expirings is Jason Thompson from the Kings, who's decent IMO. He has multiple years left on his contract, but there's a $2.65M buyout in 2016 so we can clear him mostly off the cap if we were making a move that summer.

[LyricalRico]

Speaking of Thompson...here's a 3-way that doesn't hurt our cap as much as you might think...

Wizards trade: Nene, Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton
Wizards receive: G.Wallace, Thompson, Biedrins and SAC future first

Celtics trade: Wallace and 2nd
Celtics receive: Nene and Fredette

Kings trade: Thompson, Fredette and future first
Kings receive: Seraphin, Singleton, and BOS 2nd

Jazz trade: Biedrins
Jazz receive: Vesely

TRADE ID 6345979

Utah saves some cash immediately, Sacto clears longterm salary, Boston clears their glut on the wings while taking a chance on a big, and Washington gets guys who want to play plus a future pick.

Yes, it does clog our wings even more, but we can go small and at least Wallace brings energy and defense/rebounding. And since Nene's salary is outgoing, we're adding Thompson at only a little over $3M yer year.

Gortat/Biedrins
Thompson/Wallace
Ariza/Webster/Porter
Beal/Webster
Wall/Maynor

We'd have to make other moves in the offseason to make room for Porter longterm, but I don't think it would be an issue this year. Or we could turn around and package Ariza+Porter for PF like Ersan (and something else of value).

[stevemcqueen1]

Disaster strikes, someone big gets hurt for a long time, we miss the playoffs, get a top ten pick. We clean house, no EG, no Wittman, totally new direction with outside hires.

How to rapidly rebuild?

1.) If it were me, I'd decide to rebuild around Wall. He's a stud and he's locked up long term and trading him would mean some **** probably. My #1 goal is finding a brilliant offensive coach for him. None of this lame duck Flip/incompetent Wittman bull.

2.) Have to get rid of Nene. Gotta find a way to shorten his salary, whether I get useful players back or not.

3.) Extend Marcin. I'd absolutely go 10-12 million for two years initially, consider going longer. I want him on my team moving forward. I'm not letting Wall waste seasons playing with **** big men again. I'll have at least one good big.

4.) Keep Webster. Not putting a team with no shooters on the floor again. No interest in completely wasteing Wall all over again.

5.) The big move - offer Beal/Porter/1st round pick/whatever contract makes it work for Kevin Love. Say the pick is like #6. On DX, that's currently Joel Embiid or Jabari Parker. If you're Minnesota, do you take this deal? That's a boatload of young talent.

Hopefully Minnesota takes my offer because I don't really have anything else. I'd be comfortable moving forward with a core of Wall, Love, and Gortat for the next three or four seasons. Fill in the cracks with the money I'd have left and see how it goes. Maybe bring in a nice glue man to play defense at the 2. Somebody who can play good basketball starting day one.

If they don't take my offer, then I guess I keep Beal in the meantime and put all my eggs into FA. Greg Monroe max offer and hope Detroit doesn't match? That team isn't going to win much soon...

Maybe hope Beal is ready to be a star by next year and spend a whole bunch of money to try and get a short term front court with Pau Gasol or something.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Disaster strikes, someone big gets hurt for a long time, we miss the playoffs, get a top ten pick. We clean house, no EG, no Wittman, totally new direction with outside hires.

How to rapidly rebuild?

1.) If it were me, I'd decide to rebuild around Wall. He's a stud and he's locked up long term and trading him would mean some **** probably. My #1 goal is finding a brilliant offensive coach for him. None of this lame duck Flip/incompetent Wittman bull.

2.) Have to get rid of Nene. Gotta find a way to shorten his salary, whether I get useful players back or not.

3.) Extend Marcin. I'd absolutely go 10-12 million for two years initially, consider going longer. I want him on my team moving forward. I'm not letting Wall waste seasons playing with **** big men again. I'll have at least one good big.

4.) Keep Webster. Not putting a team with no shooters on the floor again. No interest in completely wasteing Wall all over again.

5.) The big move - offer Beal/Porter/1st round pick/whatever contract makes it work for Kevin Love. Say the pick is like #6. On DX, that's currently Joel Embiid or Jabari Parker. If you're Minnesota, do you take this deal? That's a boatload of young talent.

Hopefully Minnesota takes my offer because I don't really have anything else. I'd be comfortable moving forward with a core of Wall, Love, and Gortat for the next three or four seasons. Fill in the cracks with the money I'd have left and see how it goes. Maybe bring in a nice glue man to play defense at the 2. Somebody who can play good basketball starting day one.

If they don't take my offer, then I guess I keep Beal in the meantime and put all my eggs into FA. Greg Monroe max offer and hope Detroit doesn't match? That team isn't going to win much soon...

Maybe hope Beal is ready to be a star by next year and spend a whole bunch of money to try and get a short term front court with Pau Gasol or something.

I like alot of your ideas.

I agree I'd like to move on from Grunfeld/Wittman. Not sure who to replace them with... I think it was CCJ who 1st brought up Troy Weaver for GM, and he looks like a great fit to me.
http://www.nba.com/thunder/team/basketballops1.html
http://thestartingfive.net/2009/01/05/i ... y-thunder/

Coach I'm not sure... I might go with Nate McMillan as my top choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_McMillan

I also agree moving Nene asap has to be a top priority.

I like the idea of going for Monroe with a max offer this offseason. Keep Wall, Beal and Porter, as well as Webster, and Gortat if possible. Wall, Beal, Webster, Porter, Monroe, Gortat... that's the foundation I'd try to keep and build on moving forward.

I do like Love as a target if we're unable to land Monroe.

[LyricalRico]

Coach I'm not sure... I might go with Nate McMillan as my top choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_McMillan

Don't forget George Karl is out there. SVG is also a possibility. Both have taken teams farther than McMillan.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Lyrical, yeah I considered both, Karl would be at the top of the list, behind Phil Jackson, if not for all the health issues he's had IMO.

And SVG made thoase statements about Wall, so not sure about him coming here.

Nate seems real solid to me. Played for Karl, Lenny Wilkins, and Valvano. He's been an assistant to coach K on the Olympic team, and had a couple 50 win seasons as a head coach. Definitely better resume than Wittman. He's only 49 so he'd be a possible long term solution. I like the way he carries himself, communicates, and style of coaching. Should be obtainable, he's currently an assistant on Indiana.

[stevemcqueen1]

I'd be for McMillan. I thought he got a bad deal in Portland with all those injuries. I've always thought he's a good coach.

I'd also be for Karl, but the thing with Karl is his age. He's 62 and has had health issues in the past. I'd want a longer term commitment from my HC.

I'm not as enthusiastic abotu SVG as the other two but he's a good coach. He'd be a big upgrade over Wittman.

[deneem4]

So I guess my

nene,porter, 2014 1st
For
thad young, turner, hawes,

Trade i proposed back then is still a bad idea...considering the fact we still have no stretch 4

[Ruzious]

Speaking of Thompson...here's a 3-way that doesn't hurt our cap as much as you might think...

Wizards trade: Nene, Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton
Wizards receive: G.Wallace, Thompson, Biedrins and SAC future first

Celtics trade: Wallace and 2nd
Celtics receive: Nene and Fredette

Kings trade: Thompson, Fredette and future first
Kings receive: Seraphin, Singleton, and BOS 2nd

Jazz trade: Biedrins
Jazz receive: Vesely

Is Ernie Grunfeld also GMing Sacramento?

[payitforward]

Toronto gave up a first to get Lowry. I think they'd rather get more than expiring for him, or at least use him to dump another contract. Same with Amir Johnson, a PF I'd really be interested in.

One guy we might be able to get for expirings is Jason Thompson from the Kings, who's decent IMO. He has multiple years left on his contract, but there's a $2.65M buyout in 2016 so we can clear him mostly off the cap if we were making a move that summer.

Lowry is their starting point guard. Behind him they have D.J. Augustin and Dwight Buycks. Seems kinda obvious that Toronto is not trading Kyle Lowry! Not to mention that he's one of the best point guards in the game, and there's no getting a guy like that, even if he were available, for broken pieces like Seraphin, Singleton, Maynor, et. al.

I'd love to have Amir Johnson. Taken *after* Andray Blatche in the same draft btw!

But Jason Thompson is a zero; no help there. Just another contract to worry about.

[TGW]

Lowry is one of the best point guards in the nba? Lol if that were true he wouldn't be on the block, period.

[sogood]

Toronto gave up a first to get Lowry. I think they'd rather get more than expiring for him, or at least use him to dump another contract. Same with Amir Johnson, a PF I'd really be interested in.

One guy we might be able to get for expirings is Jason Thompson from the Kings, who's decent IMO. He has multiple years left on his contract, but there's a $2.65M buyout in 2016 so we can clear him mostly off the cap if we were making a move that summer.

Lowry is their starting point guard. Behind him they have D.J. Augustin and Dwight Buycks. Seems kinda obvious that Toronto is not trading Kyle Lowry! Not to mention that he's one of the best point guards in the game, and there's no getting a guy like that, even if he were available, for broken pieces like Seraphin, Singleton, Maynor, et. al.

I'd love to have Amir Johnson. Taken *after* Andray Blatche in the same draft btw!

But Jason Thompson is a zero; no help there. Just another contract to worry about.

Lmao.

Paul
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Parker
Irving
Curry
Wall
Lawson
Lillard
Holiday
Conley

All clearly better than him. I didn't even mention players who is probably better like Rubio, Teague and Carter-Williams.

[montestewart]

Lowry is one of the best point guards in the nba? Lol if that were true he wouldn't be on the block, period.

They have everyone on the block up there, don't they. "One of the best" may be a bit of an overstatement, but in his impact on his team, he's definitely long been above average, with a not very expensive contract, so "there's no getting a guy like that, even if he were available, for broken pieces like Seraphin, Singleton, Maynor, et. al," makes a lot of sense to me.

[payitforward]

Toronto gave up a first to get Lowry. I think they'd rather get more than expiring for him, or at least use him to dump another contract. Same with Amir Johnson, a PF I'd really be interested in.

One guy we might be able to get for expirings is Jason Thompson from the Kings, who's decent IMO. He has multiple years left on his contract, but there's a $2.65M buyout in 2016 so we can clear him mostly off the cap if we were making a move that summer.

Lowry is their starting point guard. Behind him they have D.J. Augustin and Dwight Buycks. Seems kinda obvious that Toronto is not trading Kyle Lowry! Not to mention that he's one of the best point guards in the game, and there's no getting a guy like that, even if he were available, for broken pieces like Seraphin, Singleton, Maynor, et. al.

I'd love to have Amir Johnson. Taken *after* Andray Blatche in the same draft btw!

But Jason Thompson is a zero; no help there. Just another contract to worry about.

Lmao.

Paul
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Parker
Irving
Curry
Wall
Lawson
Lillard
Holiday
Conley

All clearly better than him. I didn't even mention players who is probably better like Rubio, Teague and Carter-Williams.

Laugh away, fool. Why don't you check their numbers?