Kanyewest wrote:^^ At least we're not Detroit (or Cleveland!)
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM[/youtube]
Although I guess Detroit won a championship 10 years ago...
Or Dayton...
Now I'm depressed.
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Kanyewest wrote:^^ At least we're not Detroit (or Cleveland!)
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM[/youtube]
Although I guess Detroit won a championship 10 years ago...
dckingsfan wrote:fishercob wrote:DCZards wrote:
PIF, on what basis have you determined that MKG has been a better player than Beal?
Presumably, win shares per 48 minutes.
I would still want Beal next to Wall to stretch the court. But I do see your point.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =ws_per_48
closg00 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:hands11 wrote:
That original post implied CHA have done a better job then the Wizards. I don't think the facts support that.
That was my point... they are close (subjective) and both have poorly ranked FOs - this shouldn't startle anyone.
No hands, the point re: CHA was that they (and other teams), took less time to return to relevancy than the Wizards, that is a fact.
hands11 wrote:closg00 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:
That was my point... they are close (subjective) and both have poorly ranked FOs - this shouldn't startle anyone.
No hands, the point re: CHA was that they (and other teams), took less time to return to relevancy than the Wizards, that is a fact.
No Clogs. Its isn't and I explained why. Now if you want to ignore the facts and use your over simplified single data point, well then go ahead. But it hardly paints an accurate picture because it ignores all the most relevant information.
dckingsfan wrote:hands11 wrote:closg00 wrote:
No hands, the point re: CHA was that they (and other teams), took less time to return to relevancy than the Wizards, that is a fact.
No Clogs. Its isn't and I explained why. Now if you want to ignore the facts and use your over simplified single data point, well then go ahead. But it hardly paints an accurate picture because it ignores all the most relevant information.
So basically you are arguing that the Wizard FO should be ranked 24th vs. 26th... sigh
hands11 wrote:closg00 wrote:So the Cats took less time to return to the playoffs then the Wizards.
My fall-back position now is hoping for the Wizards to be decisively swept in the 1st. round, that is my only hope for change in the FO and coaching.
This is not a position on EG but what happened in CHA needs to be put in context.
They were a team that popped into the playoffs one year ( their only year ) then out for 3 while they load up. They also didn't have Gil's contract to dump and gungate. And no, Gils contract was not on EG, it was on Abe. And if not for lucking into Al Jefferson (well done by MJ), they would still be out of the playoffs. They picked MKG over Beal. They picked Bismack Biyombo 7th. But at least they were smart enough to pick Kemba Walker over Jimmer. And picked Zeller last year was a good pick.
I think they are an interesting team that can get better but they aren't out of the woods yet.
As for what happens to the Wizards in the playoffs. I suspect that will have more to do with determining what happens to Randy then it does EG. I suspect Ted already has a good sense of what he wants to do with EG. He has either lined up people he thinks are better, or he is going to do something like extend him 2 yrs or move him up and bring in a GM under him depending in part of what EG wants to do.
Youheardme90 wrote:No BS, No games, No Shortcuts, do you think you could do or could`ve done a better job than Ernie Grunfeld has done up to this point in his tenure ?
Youheardme90 wrote:No BS, No games, No Shortcuts, do you think you could do or could`ve done a better job than Ernie Grunfeld has done up to this point in his tenure ?
closg00 wrote:hands11 wrote:closg00 wrote:So the Cats took less time to return to the playoffs then the Wizards.
My fall-back position now is hoping for the Wizards to be decisively swept in the 1st. round, that is my only hope for change in the FO and coaching.
This is not a position on EG but what happened in CHA needs to be put in context.
They were a team that popped into the playoffs one year ( their only year ) then out for 3 while they load up. They also didn't have Gil's contract to dump and gungate. And no, Gils contract was not on EG, it was on Abe. And if not for lucking into Al Jefferson (well done by MJ), they would still be out of the playoffs. They picked MKG over Beal. They picked Bismack Biyombo 7th. But at least they were smart enough to pick Kemba Walker over Jimmer. And picked Zeller last year was a good pick.
I think they are an interesting team that can get better but they aren't out of the woods yet.
As for what happens to the Wizards in the playoffs. I suspect that will have more to do with determining what happens to Randy then it does EG. I suspect Ted already has a good sense of what he wants to do with EG. He has either lined up people he thinks are better, or he is going to do something like extend him 2 yrs or move him up and bring in a GM under him depending in part of what EG wants to do.
Here is the original post folks.
Now Hands, please explain to the board again why it is not a fact that other NBA teams returned to relevancy in a shorter amount of time than the Wizards. We don't even have to use CHA. PHX turned their record around in a shorter amount of time than the Wizards. FACT.
Youheardme90 wrote:No BS, No games, No Shortcuts, do you think you could do or could`ve done a better job than Ernie Grunfeld has done up to this point in his tenure ?
Youheardme90 wrote:No BS, No games, No Shortcuts, do you think you could do or could`ve done a better job than Ernie Grunfeld has done up to this point in his tenure ?
DCZards wrote:It's fascinating to read how some posters think they would have made ALL of the right draft and personnel decisions if they had only been GM instead of EG.
DCZards wrote:It's fascinating to read how some posters think they would have made ALL of the right draft and personnel decisions if they had only been GM instead of EG.
DCZards wrote:It's fascinating to read how some posters think they would have made ALL of the right draft and personnel decisions if they had only been GM instead of EG.
tontoz wrote:DCZards wrote:It's fascinating to read how some posters think they would have made ALL of the right draft and personnel decisions if they had only been GM instead of EG.
Pathetic strawman.
I don't see people claiming they would have made ALL the right moves. Please point those people out to me.
What i do see is people pointing out the moves that they said we should do at that time, without the benefit of hindsight.
montestewart wrote:What's really fascinating is watching the downward trajectory of EG defenses, from "He's good," to "He's above average," to "He's not below average," to "He's not the worst in the league," and finally settling for: "He's better than Joe Schmo off the street," itself a debatable contention.