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Mods, feel free to move this thread, but I wasn't sure where it would belong as it doesn't pertain to the 2014 draft or Trade this offseason (per se).

We all have a pretty clear understanding that Gortat is going to be resigned (Ariza still up in the air) and will be the central big man with Wall and Beal for the next 3+ years. My question is what big man (PF or C) is going to be here with Wall/Beal when they hit there Prime so we can compete for a Championship.

The way I see it, there are three ways to get this piece: 1) FA, 2) The draft, 3) Trade.
1) FA: 2015: Lamarcus Aldridge (will be 30 and will probably resign with POR), Amir Johnson (will be 28, but not a starter on Contender/3rd piece), Marc Gasol (Will be 30..but possible), DeAndre Jordan (ehhh, probably wont leave LAC), Asik (ehhh, limited, but possible).

2016: Chris Bosh (will be 32), Roy Hibbert (not impressed), Al Horford (Best possible fit probably), Valanciunas (RFA), John Henson (RFA will be resigned)

2) The draft: the 2015 draft (and to some extant 2016) is loaded with big man that COULD be that guy. Okafor, Towns, Brice Johnson, Cauley-Stein, Marcus Lee, Dakari Johnson, AJ Hammonds, Kaleb Tarczewsk, Chris Walker, Mitch McGary, etc.

3) Trade: Assuming Durant resigns..maybe Ibaka, but who knows.

My choice would be for EG (or whoever is here)to focus on contending the next two years while obtaining an asset or two to get a decent pick in 2015 draft to get one of the big man to groom behind Gortat. Then when Nene expires, make a run at Henson/ Horford.

I would like to know what the board thinks as I really believe this will be the pivotal issue over the next 5-7 years if we want to contend on an annual basis.

Assuming they sign Gortat, they're not going to have the cap space to sign any of the potential free agents you mentioned. Nene's contract runs out in 2016, but Gortat would likely have to be signed till after 2016, so it'll be tricky to have cap space even in the 2016 offseason.

Hibbert might be a trade possibility at some point - being available because his value is falling off a cliff (and he spent 4 years at nearby Georgetown). It'd have to be a Gortat for Hibbs trade - they likely could not play together.

McGary is an interesting option. Has he announced if he's staying in school?

Patrick Patterson has been discussed a lot here for a few reasons; they've mentioned the desire for a stretch 4, he might be available for the MLE, he was Wall's teammate at KY, and he's a good underrated young player.

Complement with an "e", dagnabbit.

Unless you mean Wall and Beal need a big man to whisper sweet nothings to them all the time.

Ruzious wrote:Assuming they sign Gortat, they're not going to have the cap space to sign any of the potential free agents you mentioned. Nene's contract runs out in 2016, but Gortat would likely have to be signed till after 2016, so it'll be tricky to have cap space even in the 2016 offseason.

Hibbert might be a trade possibility at some point - being available because his value is falling off a cliff (and he spent 4 years at nearby Georgetown). It'd have to be a Gortat for Hibbs trade - they likely could not play together.

McGary is an interesting option. Has he announced if he's staying in school?

Patrick Patterson has been discussed a lot here for a few reasons; they've mentioned the desire for a stretch 4, he might be available for the MLE, he was Wall's teammate at KY, and he's a good underrated young player.

I agree Ruz, I more or less wanted to paint the general picture for everyone and get input. But I think this is a real issue unless we get Durant (like the Heat, our talent would compensate for big man deficiencies).

I believe we will be fine the next two years as I believe improvements by Wall, Beal, and Porter will be more pronounced than the decline of Gortat/Nene. My question really pertains to 2016/17 season and beyond. Wall will be 26 and Beal/ Porter will be 23. From there we will have a solid 5 years to dominate if done correctly and we cant afford to lose those years if those guys max us out and we have no productive big man.

Assuming we have 48M committed to 6 guys (doesnt include any extension for Rice/Beal or capholds):
Wall - 15.7M
Gortat - 12M
Beal - 7.5M
Porter - 5.8M
Webster - 5.8M
2015 1st - 1.5M

With a Cap projected to be about 68M in 2016/2017, thats 20M to spend. I would love to see us go after John Henson with a big contract, extend Beal, and then use the MLE on Nene. Then allow the 2015 1st to take over for Gortat the following year (hopefully)

Wall
Beal/Webster
Porter/Webster
Henson/(2015 1st / Nene)
Gortat/(2015 1st / Nene)

That team is the ECF favorite.

Thank you! You're the man.

did you just make this thread for us to give a big contract to John Henson to make us contenders? NO

Kevin Love? Kevin Love. Kevin Love!

What is with the John Henson lovefest on here.. he had a mediocre year and couldn't even start over Zaza Pachulia.

Go on the Bucks boards, they're dying to trade him for a late first.

Monroe is the lazy/easy answer. Just give him max money and put him at starting center and hope he reverts to his first few years offensively. There is reason to believe his pedestrian numbers the last two years is because he was playing out of position (PF), and putting him at center would do him good. There's also the Georgetown connection he has with Ted.

Wall Miller
Beal
Webster Porter
Nene Booker
Monroe

to me if we are going to get a big then it should be one of 2 things. He should either be a star caliber player or be able to stretch the floor. Henson & Monroe dont apply. Monroe is better but is also a bigger liability on defense. I use to want him but not so much anymore. Love would be a dream but I dont see it happening. Hire Unseld back to give us the upper hand.....lol

dlts20 wrote:did you just make this thread for us to give a big contract to John Henson to make us contenders? NO

You should re-read the thread then..
Im simply saying that we need a top tier C or PF (currently we have two above average ones and that helps). I may have overstated the John Henson part, but I see no real answer via FA for anyone under 30.

Like I said, my focus as a GM would be to allow this team to compete for the next two years with the goal of getting assets to get a pick (10-15) in the 2015 draft.

I certainly dont want to look to far ahead and not appreciate what we have now, but I think this is the big issue facing this team during Walls prime and thought starting a thread wouldnt be the worst thing to do.

As you mentioned, Love would be a perfect fit, but thats not going to happen...so then what?

pcbothwel wrote:

dlts20 wrote:did you just make this thread for us to give a big contract to John Henson to make us contenders? NO

You should re-read the thread then..
Im simply saying that we need a top tier C or PF (currently we have two above average ones and that helps). I may have overstated the John Henson part, but I see no real answer via FA for anyone under 30.

Like I said, my focus as a GM would be to allow this team to compete for the next two years with the goal of getting assets to get a pick (10-15) in the 2015 draft.

I certainly dont want to look to far ahead and not appreciate what we have now, but I think this is the big issue facing this team during Walls prime and thought starting a thread wouldnt be the worst thing to do.

As you mentioned, Love would be a perfect fit, but thats not going to happen...so then what?

yeah, I ususally dont respond like that and I am a Henson fan but not for any kinda money. There are alot of things that come into play. Will Witt still be the coach? I would like a stretch big anyways but especially if Witt is teh coach. Nene is not going to want to play the 5 though. The only way he plays the 5 is if you bring in a stud like Love or Melo and go small with Melo at the 4.

I guess we will see but the main thing is Wall. You have to build around him and get the best players to fit him. I think thats a big with some decent range

Zonkerbl wrote:Complement with an "e", dagnabbit.

Unless you mean Wall and Beal need a big man to whisper sweet nothings to them all the time.

TBH, I didn't know there was a different spelling. But now that you pointed it out, I see it. "A full complement of so and so."

Illmatic21 wrote::lol: What is with the John Henson lovefest on here.. he had a mediocre year and couldn't even start over Zaza Pachulia.

Go on the Bucks boards, they're dying to trade him for a late first.

Well I'd love to have him. I think he's a fascinating talent with a nice set of tools. Clearly he's not in the same class as the other names mentioned. But his potential is good and he'd be a nice fit IMO.

Ruzious wrote:Assuming they sign Gortat, they're not going to have the cap space to sign any of the potential free agents you mentioned. Nene's contract runs out in 2016, but Gortat would likely have to be signed till after 2016, so it'll be tricky to have cap space even in the 2016 offseason.

Hibbert might be a trade possibility at some point - being available because his value is falling off a cliff (and he spent 4 years at nearby Georgetown). It'd have to be a Gortat for Hibbs trade - they likely could not play together.

McGary is an interesting option. Has he announced if he's staying in school?

Patrick Patterson has been discussed a lot here for a few reasons; they've mentioned the desire for a stretch 4, he might be available for the MLE, he was Wall's teammate at KY, and he's a good underrated young player.

Good thoughts. Hibbert is in a crazy situation right now. He might become available for a song but I think that he is a really tricky fit. His offensive game is limited and oddly ball stopping. He doesn't rebound as well as he probably should. He can't guard out in space. Jump shooting, running the floor, and passing aren't really part of his repertoire so his offensive utility is questionable. He makes too much money. And he's got a very prickly personality and seems like kind of a douche sometimes. And he plays below 30 MPG.

But my god if he's not a giant and a marvelous rim protector and interior defender. He's kind of like a rich man's Mark Eaton. Eaton with a decent post game.

I think you're right that he and Gortat couldn't play together.

He's good and all, but he wouldn't be my first choice.

One thing to keep in mind is that our ideal big man is pretty much going to be a role player like Gortat and Nene are. Someone who is willing to do the dirty work of a traditional big man role.

Figure our bigs for at least the next two years are Nene and Gortat. I'm happy with that. And in two years, the landscape of the NBA can change pretty drastically. And we don't really know how much Nene and Gortat have left in their tank anyway. But there's room for a third big to play 25+ MPG here. Maybe a lot more. Not star minutes, but important, key piece of the puzzle role player minutes. A stretch four like Patrick Patterson really fits the bill for me for exactly all of the reasons you mentioned.

pcbothwel wrote:Mods, feel free to move this thread, but I wasn't sure where it would belong as it doesn't pertain to the 2014 draft or Trade this offseason (per se).

We all have a pretty clear understanding that Gortat is going to be resigned (Ariza still up in the air) and will be the central big man with Wall and Beal for the next 3+ years. My question is what big man (PF or C) is going to be here with Wall/Beal when they hit there Prime so we can compete for a Championship.

The way I see it, there are three ways to get this piece: 1) FA, 2) The draft, 3) Trade.
1) FA: 2015: Lamarcus Aldridge (will be 30 and will probably resign with POR), Amir Johnson (will be 28, but not a starter on Contender/3rd piece), Marc Gasol (Will be 30..but possible), DeAndre Jordan (ehhh, probably wont leave LAC), Asik (ehhh, limited, but possible).

2016: Chris Bosh (will be 32), Roy Hibbert (not impressed), Al Horford (Best possible fit probably), Valanciunas (RFA), John Henson (RFA will be resigned)

2) The draft: the 2015 draft (and to some extant 2016) is loaded with big man that COULD be that guy. Okafor, Towns, Brice Johnson, Cauley-Stein, Marcus Lee, Dakari Johnson, AJ Hammonds, Kaleb Tarczewsk, Chris Walker, Mitch McGary, etc.

3) Trade: Assuming Durant resigns..maybe Ibaka, but who knows.

My choice would be for EG (or whoever is here)to focus on contending the next two years while obtaining an asset or two to get a decent pick in 2015 draft to get one of the big man to groom behind Gortat. Then when Nene expires, make a run at Henson/ Horford.

I would like to know what the board thinks as I really believe this will be the pivotal issue over the next 5-7 years if we want to contend on an annual basis.

Henson is the player I would target. He is the right age, and he is under appreciated in Milwaukee for what he brings on the boards at PF. John Henson can become a perennial all star IMO.

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pcbothwel wrote:

Ruzious wrote:Assuming they sign Gortat, they're not going to have the cap space to sign any of the potential free agents you mentioned. Nene's contract runs out in 2016, but Gortat would likely have to be signed till after 2016, so it'll be tricky to have cap space even in the 2016 offseason.

Hibbert might be a trade possibility at some point - being available because his value is falling off a cliff (and he spent 4 years at nearby Georgetown). It'd have to be a Gortat for Hibbs trade - they likely could not play together.

McGary is an interesting option. Has he announced if he's staying in school?

Patrick Patterson has been discussed a lot here for a few reasons; they've mentioned the desire for a stretch 4, he might be available for the MLE, he was Wall's teammate at KY, and he's a good underrated young player.

I agree Ruz, I more or less wanted to paint the general picture for everyone and get input. But I think this is a real issue unless we get Durant (like the Heat, our talent would compensate for big man deficiencies).

I believe we will be fine the next two years as I believe improvements by Wall, Beal, and Porter will be more pronounced than the decline of Gortat/Nene. My question really pertains to 2016/17 season and beyond. Wall will be 26 and Beal/ Porter will be 23. From there we will have a solid 5 years to dominate if done correctly and we cant afford to lose those years if those guys max us out and we have no productive big man.

Assuming we have 48M committed to 6 guys (doesnt include any extension for Rice/Beal or capholds):
Wall - 15.7M
Gortat - 12M
Beal - 7.5M
Porter - 5.8M
Webster - 5.8M
2015 1st - 1.5M

With a Cap projected to be about 68M in 2016/2017, thats 20M to spend. I would love to see us go after John Henson with a big contract, extend Beal, and then use the MLE on Nene. Then allow the 2015 1st to take over for Gortat the following year (hopefully)

Wall
Beal/Webster
Porter/Webster
Henson/(2015 1st / Nene)
Gortat/(2015 1st / Nene)

That team is the ECF favorite.

That's a mighty good team, pcbothwel.

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Illmatic21 wrote::lol: What is with the John Henson lovefest on here.. he had a mediocre year and couldn't even start over Zaza Pachulia.

Go on the Bucks boards, they're dying to trade him for a late first.

They didn't care much for Tobias Harris.

The deal with Henson includes his total rebound percentage, his block percentage, his length, and his scoring potential at his young age. He reminds me of back years ago when Aldridge and Blatche were each around 22 years old. Scoring and rebounding were not yet strengths for either player, but PER and WS/48 showed what might be.

Henson is trapped behind Sanders in the rotation, and the Bucks have invested time and money into Sanders.

Larry Drew has a personal connection with Henson from when Larry Drew Jr. Had to transfer from UNC. Henson got an NCAA ring IIRC after Drew Jr transferred. (I don't know if that's right, but UNC was way better post Drew Jr.).

Henson will do better elsewhere, for sure IMO.

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J-Ves wrote:Monroe is the lazy/easy answer. Just give him max money and put him at starting center and hope he reverts to his first few years offensively. There is reason to believe his pedestrian numbers the last two years is because he was playing out of position (PF), and putting him at center would do him good. There's also the Georgetown contention he has with Ted.

Wall Miller
Beal
Webster Porter
Nene Booker
Monroe

The Georgetown connection makes Monroe the most logical candidate to be a future Wizard.

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I don't think gortat will be resigned....and as a big man on this team I would like to pek....Monroe ok but he's absolutely horrible on d