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Otto Porter Part 1

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Wish Otto was starting with PP off the bench.. Otto just seems to fit better with Gooden and Gortat.

The Brooklyn game emphasized Otto's need to play with someone like Wall. Otto managed a -40.... against Brooklyn.

Ruzious wrote:The Brooklyn game emphasized Otto's need to play with someone like Wall. Otto managed a -40.... against Brooklyn.

Interesting point - So he needs to be a glue guy but he isn't a difference maker? Guess we won't really know for a year or two.

dckingsfan wrote:

Ruzious wrote:The Brooklyn game emphasized Otto's need to play with someone like Wall. Otto managed a -40.... against Brooklyn.

Interesting point - So he needs to be a glue guy but he isn't a difference maker? Guess we won't really know for a year or two.

Right, at this point in his career, he NEEDS a John Wall. Hey, Danny Green is a helluva player (even if he gets so little recognition), but he needs play-makers around him. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you have those playmakers.

Ruzious wrote:

dckingsfan wrote:

Ruzious wrote:The Brooklyn game emphasized Otto's need to play with someone like Wall. Otto managed a -40.... against Brooklyn.

Interesting point - So he needs to be a glue guy but he isn't a difference maker? Guess we won't really know for a year or two.

Right, at this point in his career, he NEEDS a John Wall. Hey, Danny Green is a helluva player (even if he gets so little recognition), but he needs play-makers around him. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you have those playmakers.

That is a good point. I would argue that Beal is the same. So who on the team isn't?

Sessions - I don't think he is that guy - all though he has played sooooo much better than what I expected. Who is that offensive go to guy when Wall is out? And this year we don't really have that defensive stopper either.

dckingsfan wrote:

Ruzious wrote:The Brooklyn game emphasized Otto's need to play with someone like Wall. Otto managed a -40.... against Brooklyn.

Interesting point - So he needs to be a glue guy but he isn't a difference maker? Guess we won't really know for a year or two.

He is a difference maker as a glue piece. At least at this stage of his development. When he get strong and learns to drive more, he will be able to create his difference making more. But you saw that nice cross over he did the other night. He just hasn't polished what to do with it after that yet.

I want to see two balanced line ups..

Nene is injuried again. That good in a way.

We are more likely to see Wall, Beal, Otto, Gooden and Gortat starting.

I expect to match up well against ATL to start the game… The problem with Nene out and more importantly, Temple being injured, is how it effects the bench which you need a good bench to beat ATL.

Sessions, Rasaul, PP, Hump, Kevin is ok but not as good as starting Temple 5 minutes and having
Sessions, Beal, PP, Nene, Kevin …off the bench with

Wall, Beal, Otto, Gooden and Gortat as the core first unit.

If we could/would do that, we could handles teams though the first half repeat to start the 3rd then ride it out with

Wall, Beal, Otto/PP, Gooden, Gortat subbing in Hump if needed.for Gooden

We would beat LOTS of teams that way…

So it would be
Wall, Temple, Otto, Gooden, Gortat starting the game with a heave dose of Wall/Gortat then after 5 mins
Wall, Beal, Otto/PP, Gooden, Gortat ... Now Beal comes in hiring 3s and driving.. then rotated into
Sessions, Beal, PP, Nene, Kevin .. Beal steps back some, PP does walk up 3s, Session drives for FTs and Kevin post up.

repeat or make any needed adjustment at halftime... oh sorry.. I forgot. Randy is coach.. so just repeat it..

Then down the stretch

Wall, Beal, Otto/PP, Gooden, Gortat subbing in Hump if needed.for Gooden. Role with Otto is he is handling it.

Lets Wall, Beal and Gortat take you home.

dckingsfan wrote:

Ruzious wrote:

dckingsfan wrote:Interesting point - So he needs to be a glue guy but he isn't a difference maker? Guess we won't really know for a year or two.

Right, at this point in his career, he NEEDS a John Wall. Hey, Danny Green is a helluva player (even if he gets so little recognition), but he needs play-makers around him. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you have those playmakers.

That is a good point. I would argue that Beal is the same. So who on the team isn't?

Sessions - I don't think he is that guy - all though he has played sooooo much better than what I expected. Who is that offensive go to guy when Wall is out? And this year we don't really have that defensive stopper either.

Playoff Mode Beal is that player. We have been seeing that more as of late.

Beal is developing a small pattern as a late season player. Not a bad pattern to have for a player that is still developing.

Going into the playoff last year, I felt they needed to get Otto some minutes so he could be used some in the playoffs. But that didnt happen.

This year, that is even more the case. Ideally, he should have gotten at least 30 starts this year. He only got 12

I would go back to Wall, Beal, Otto, Gooden and Gortat against ATL.

And per my Temple outline, I would even do

Wall, Rasual, Otto, Gooden and Gortat with Rasual coming out at the 5 min mark just so I could rotate to

Wall, Beal, Otto, Gooden and Gortat so you can drag more Beal minutes into the 2nd unit.
Session, Beal, PP, Hump and Kevin .. with Nene out, I might even go to Blair instead of Kevin if Kevin isn't working well in that line up.

Kevin is very dependent on line ups. Some work for him and he produces. Some dont.

But I would suspect with Session, Beal, PP and Hump, Kevin would fill into his role in that line up. If not, go to Blair.

Ruzious wrote:The Brooklyn game emphasized Otto's need to play with someone like Wall. Otto managed a -40.... against Brooklyn.

Here's the +/- for Beal and Gortat last night both of whom played well:

Beal was -22
Gorat was -6

Which is exactly why I don't put too much stock in those game-by-game +/- #s.

Plus otto had a respectable game if you go back and look at his numbers.

gambitx777 wrote:Plus otto had a respectable game if you go back and look at his numbers.

Kris Humphries had 21 pts., 14 rebs. and shot 70% from the field in the Wizards win over Denver in January. Yet he had a -11. I realized then that +/- was not a good stat to use in judging an individual player's single game performance.

DCZards wrote:

Ruzious wrote:The Brooklyn game emphasized Otto's need to play with someone like Wall. Otto managed a -40.... against Brooklyn.

Here's the +/- for Beal and Gortat last night both of whom played well:

Beal was -22
Gorat was -6

Which is exactly why I don't put too much stock in those game-by-game +/- #s.

Seriously, there is soooo much noise with the game to game +/-. Yet people want to treat it like its the hard & fast truth.

To tell if a guy had a good game you need too things,
you need to watch him play, see his moves, see his confidence and see what he did. and you need to look at his basic stats. How many points, rebounds, steals, and what not did he have in how many minutes.
Otto had a respectable game. He plays better with wall. So does PP, Ariza, and so would probably almost every true wing player in the NBA.

Dat2U wrote:

DCZards wrote:

Ruzious wrote:The Brooklyn game emphasized Otto's need to play with someone like Wall. Otto managed a -40.... against Brooklyn.

Here's the +/- for Beal and Gortat last night both of whom played well:

Beal was -22
Gorat was -6

Which is exactly why I don't put too much stock in those game-by-game +/- #s.

Seriously, there is soooo much noise with the game to game +/-. Yet people want to treat it like its the hard & fast truth.

The first quarter score was 14-31. Minus 17, right there. Pierce with Nene were on the court for most of that, I would guess.

*BUMP*

Love, love, love what I saw from Otto Porter today. The stat line is deceiving; his impact on the game was much larger than the box score tells. Defensively on Derozan, he used his length and moxy to shut down the much hyped chucker. Offensively and on the glass, he was just consistently in the right place and at the right time.

How 'bout that steal from the other side of the court when we had a Raptor trapped on the sideline? Killer moment for the Raps' momentum.

I was pleasantly surprised to see how many minutes Wittless played the young man. Really wasn't expecting to see much Otto time in the playoffs. We've been screaming for it all year, and maybe now we get it - March / Truth / Otto / Beal / Wall.

Playoff OttoMan


Liked the no glasses look

In his first meaningful playoff minutes... Otto has an impact.. great defense... the late floater was huge



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Otto's length allows him to make a lot plays on the floor that other players can't. He's very valuable even if he's not scoring (but just wait until those shots do start falling)

I can't agree with the criticism about DeRozan's offensive ability. His mid range scoring game is on point and he's a deadly slasher that is one of the best finishers at the rim at the SG position in the league. And he has terrific footwork in the post. That basket he got with the step through that had Pierce all and the bigs completely out of positions was fantastic. And at his size, there won't be shooting guards that could really stop him in the post. He just needs to use that tool more. I criticize him for not developing a three ball and for how bad a defender he is, not his offensive game from 2 pt range. If he could shoot threes he'd be one of the best volume scorers at the position. As is, he's already a pretty good volume scorer and he's a good crunch time scorer.

My criticism really comes down to his defense more than anything. As long and athletic as he is, he should be a lockdown defender, not a liability. If he was, he'd be a beast. THAT's the biggest thing that separates him from the top SGs in recent memory.

Illmatic12 wrote:Otto's length allows him to make a lot plays on the floor that other players can't. He's very valuable even if he's not scoring (but just wait until those shots do start falling)

He has quick hands. He uncoils those long arms very fast and surprises shooters, really keeps them off balance, and he also gets to passes and rebounds and loose balls you don't expect. And he recovers well. He had a block around the FT line that I think they ended up calling a foul on someone else where he flew back into the play and slapped the ball out of bounds.. Between that and his hands and length and ability to anticipate the game, I think he can be an elite defensive player. He flashed it yesterday in how he limited DeRozan. I think it's just a matter of getting stronger and more consistent until he can guard anybody.

That first basket he scored looked so awkward. Seemed like he went up off the wrong foot and didn't get any elevation and had to adjust the shot in the air. Looked like the ball was going to end up hitting the bottom of the rim but then he just got the ball up there and it came off soft and pretty. His awkward style of movement belies the fact he's a skilled finisher with really soft touch. Saw it again with that runner in the lane. Bricked an open three where he was set up perfectly and the shot itself looked good. Just needs to get confident in that shot and improve his concentration level on the release.

Otto with a three ball and a mean streak is a fine player. Very valuable to have along with Gortat as the compliment to Wall and Beal.

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@stevemcqueen yeah that weakside block by Otto was nasty, the foul was away from that play but had it not been called that was a highlight block (it was on Valanciunas too, I think).

I agree he just needs to get stronger, and maybe train with resistance bands or whatever they use so he can improve his explosiveness and footspeed. But at this point I'm 90% sure if Porter stays healthy, he has a *floor* as a legit starter for this team who could potentially swing between positions 2-4.