Gerald Green and Oleksiy Pecherov--Talent/Time

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Neither are Wizards, but one used to be, and the other is arguably better than Kelly Oubre.

Pecherov is bigger, younger, and probably just as good a perimeter shooter than Drew Gooden or Kris Humphries.

Pecherov was drafted with the pick I said years ago should have been Paul Millsap. He was valued years ago as much (by EG) as Kelly Oubre is valued right now. Eddie Jordan even started Pecherov once with Andray Blatche, a fairly similar player.

Gerald Green was out of the NBA a while back, just like Hassan Whiteside was as well. Like Stewie Pecherov is now.

Punchline: I know what I'm talking about. Pecherov over Webster makes sense.

Waive Blair because IMO Randy Wittman is his nemesis. (Hater/doofus coach doesn't see how much better Blair is than coach thinks). Waive him and get positive energy on the bench.

I saw Gerald Green in preseason and in game one for Miami. He's s stud.

Pecherov is older, tougher, and better than when he was drafted. He's not Millsap but he was drafted 30 or so picks ahead of him in 2008 or so.

Grunfeld, please make up for Glen Rice Jr ... By revisiting BOTH Pecherov (this year) and Vesely (next year with Satoransky).

[Ruzious]

Looks like Big Pech has played in only 12 professional games since the 2010/2011 season. That'd make me a little skeptical about him. Being around Blatche in his early years probably did not help his development and maturity.

Green had a crazy good game against the Wiz in preseason. He's a quality instant offense reserve. Not sure it makes sense to compare him at 29 years old to a decade younger Oubre. The Wiz didn't draft Oubre for what he'll be this season.

[keynote]

Sorry, Stewie, but I think the Wizards should maintain a "no hunchbacks" policy.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Looks like Big Pech has played in only 12 professional games since the 2010/2011 season. That'd make me a little skeptical about him. Being around Blatche in his early years probably did not help his development and maturity.

Green had a crazy good game against the Wiz in preseason. He's a quality instant offense reserve. Not sure it makes sense to compare him at 29 years old to a decade younger Oubre. The Wiz didn't draft Oubre for what he'll be this season.

His 20 in summer league looked on highlights to be pretty effortless. You're right to be skeptical. I'm thinking Denver had numbers and he had no chance to make the roster, just like Josh Harrellson and Ish Smith, who are both roster-worthy players IMO.

Green's a beast now. He's way better at 30 in some ways (--Kevin and PPA will probably refute --) than he was earlier in his career.

My whole point is I think Stewie's good enough to be a 9th-12th man on a roster.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sorry, Stewie, but I think the Wizards should maintain a "no hunchbacks" policy.

[montestewart]

Sorry, Stewie, but I think the Wizards should maintain a "no hunchbacks" policy.

No surprise, the guy who played Lurch (6'9" Ted Cassidy) played college ball at Stetson.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Sorry, Stewie, but I think the Wizards should maintain a "no hunchbacks" policy.

No surprise, the guy who played Lurch (6'9" Ted Cassidy) played college ball at Stetson.

You mean that's not Robert Parrish?

[Ruzious]

No surprise, the guy who played Lurch (6'9" Ted Cassidy) played college ball at Stetson.

You mean that's not Robert Parrish?

Yes, you can tell by the eye coloring. Btw, I saw a picture of Dirk yesterday dressed up convincingly as Frankenstein. He's another decent player who might fail the no hunchback policy.

[keynote]

McHale and Dirk are tall and gangly with long arms and square shoulders, but they can stand up straight. Pech's spine was hunched over.

[LyricalRico]

Pecherov is bigger, younger, and probably just as good a perimeter shooter than Drew Gooden or Kris Humphries.

Pecherov was drafted with the pick I said years ago should have been Paul Millsap. He was valued years ago as much (by EG) as Kelly Oubre is valued right now. Eddie Jordan even started Pecherov once with Andray Blatche, a fairly similar player.

I always thought Pech was stunted by EFJ. Early on he looked like he could be a solid rebounder with a decent outside shot. And then he just became a chucker who only bricked 3's and did nothing else. I thought he would have gone back to Europe and had a decent career a la Vesely (who also could have been developed better IMO).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Pecherov is bigger, younger, and probably just as good a perimeter shooter than Drew Gooden or Kris Humphries.

Pecherov was drafted with the pick I said years ago should have been Paul Millsap. He was valued years ago as much (by EG) as Kelly Oubre is valued right now. Eddie Jordan even started Pecherov once with Andray Blatche, a fairly similar player.

I always thought Pech was stunted by EFJ. Early on he looked like he could be a solid rebounder with a decent outside shot. And then he just became a chucker who only bricked 3's and did nothing else. I thought he would have gone back to Europe and had a decent career a la Vesely (who also could have been developed better IMO).

He probably still can be a solid rebounder with a decent 3.

I still trust your first impression cuz I thought the same. EJ got fired unduly early. 11 games into the season after a playoffs, following lots of injuries; particularly Gilbert's.

I don't recall Pecherov being stunted by EFJ. Your middle F MIGHT show bias, LR.

[LyricalRico]

I don't recall Pecherov being stunted by EFJ. Your middle F MIGHT show bias, LR.

Me? Biased against Eddie Jordan? Never!

The thing about EFJ was the he routinely misused players, either by playing them out of position or by asking/allowing them to do things they weren't good at. Ruffin playing C in crunch time, Jeffries at SG for years, letting Dixon be a chucker, letting Blatche handle the ball way too much (he was actually decent the year Haywood was hurt because he HAD to play in the paint, but EFJ had to have a point forward). And I felt like the same happened to Pech.

It's no secret that all of the focus during the EFJ regime was on the perimeter. Only being good at anything else was a sure-fire ticket to the bench (see Haywood). Pech should have been developed as a rebounder who could occasionally hit the open three, but instead my last memories are of him just chucking bricks from deep in what I assumed was a sad attempt to impress Eddie.

[Ruzious]

I don't recall Pecherov being stunted by EFJ. Your middle F MIGHT show bias, LR.

Me? Biased against Eddie Jordan? Never!

The thing about EFJ was the he routinely misused players, either by playing them out of position or by asking/allowing them to do things they weren't good at. Ruffin playing C in crunch time, Jeffries at SG for years, letting Dixon be a chucker, letting Blatche handle the ball way too much (he was actually decent the year Haywood was hurt because he HAD to play in the paint, but EFJ had to have a point forward). And I felt like the same happened to Pech.

It's no secret that all of the focus during the EFJ regime was on the perimeter. Only being good at anything else was a sure-fire ticket to the bench (see Haywood). Pech should have been developed as a rebounder who could occasionally hit the open three, but instead my last memories are of him just chucking bricks from deep in what I assumed was a sad attempt to impress Eddie.

Meh.

The Haywood under-use thing was the only significant blunder mentioned, imo. He got to the playoffs with a backcourt of Antonio Daniels, DeShawn Stevenson, and Roger Mason, Jr. That achievement alone should keep out of any lousy coach discussions.

[AFM]

McHale and Dirk are tall and gangly with long arms and square shoulders, but they can stand up straight. Pech's spine was hunched over.

Are you trying to turn me on during the workday? Look at that body, damn bro. They both could get it.

[payitforward]

Was Gerald Green waived or something? Can't find anything like that online -- why are we talking about him?

He's a heck of a bargain at $1.4m

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Last time Gerald Green was in D-League I wanted the Wizards to get him. Now he's killing it with Miami.

I think Pecherov can fit in nicely with this team off the bench.

[Kanyewest]

Miami Heat guard Gerald Green was unconscious and bleeding when someone at his condo complex called 911 ... TMZ Sports has learned. We obtained the call ... made Wednesday morning ... in which the caller tells 911, "I have a resident that just passed out. He’s bleeding. He just passed out right now." The operator informs the caller that help is on the way -- and gives instructions on how to treat Green until emergency personnel arrives.

Source: http://www.tmz.com/2015/11/05/gerald-green-911-hes-unconscious-and-bleeding/

[Illmatic12]

Miami Heat guard Gerald Green was unconscious and bleeding when someone at his condo complex called 911 ... TMZ Sports has learned. We obtained the call ... made Wednesday morning ... in which the caller tells 911, "I have a resident that just passed out. He’s bleeding. He just passed out right now." The operator informs the caller that help is on the way -- and gives instructions on how to treat Green until emergency personnel arrives.

Source: http://www.tmz.com/2015/11/05/gerald-green-911-hes-unconscious-and-bleeding/

Some Heat locals on reddit are saying designer drugs may have been involved.. specifically a form of bath salts called 'Flakka' that are taking over in South Florida

Don't want to speculate, but whatever happened I really hope Green gets it together.

[Ruzious]

Miami Heat guard Gerald Green was unconscious and bleeding when someone at his condo complex called 911 ... TMZ Sports has learned. We obtained the call ... made Wednesday morning ... in which the caller tells 911, "I have a resident that just passed out. He’s bleeding. He just passed out right now." The operator informs the caller that help is on the way -- and gives instructions on how to treat Green until emergency personnel arrives.

Source: http://www.tmz.com/2015/11/05/gerald-green-911-hes-unconscious-and-bleeding/

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Sounds like it might have been a fight between Green and Chalmers, but that's just speculation.