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closg00 wrote:
Oof!!!! Just noticing this, Ernie trades-away as-many of those 2nd rounders as possible so he doesn’t have to manage assets or “save money”
payitforward wrote:We also owe a R2 pick in 2020 to Milwaukee (Jared Dudley), but it's top-55 protected
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:closg00 wrote:
Oof!!!! Just noticing this, Ernie trades-away as-many of those 2nd rounders as possible so he doesn’t have to manage assets or “save money”
HOW ON EARTH is Wes Unseld being called a worse Executive. KEVIN BROOM, I hope you're lurking. Man, I gotta disagree, vehemently on this one.
Ernie Grunfeld does like the GOLD STANDARD of what not to do as far as I'm concerned...
] pancakes3 wrote:i don't want to badmouth EG too much bc he did bring Arenas on board, and did draft Beal, but that doesn't mean he gets to keep his job.
payitforward wrote:Signing Arenas as a FA was a genuine "good move." Drafting Beal was just making the default pick. Go back & take a look how many #1 picks have been bad & how many #3 picks have been bad over the last 20 years.
What use did Ernie make of all picks not #1 or #3 over the last 10 drafts?
2009 #5 -- traded for 2 rent-a-players (passing on Steph Curry). Nothing out of asset.
2009 # 35 -- sold for a little cash. Nothing out of asset.
2010 #17 -- Kevin Seraphin. Did not work out & was not traded. I.e. got nothing out of the asset.
2010 #23 -- Trevor Booker. Booker played well for us but wasn't given his qualifying offer. Again, got nothing out of the asset.
2011 # 6 -- Vesely (w/ Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, etc. on the board). Nothing out of asset.
201 # 18 -- Singleton (w/ Jimmy Butler, Faried, Tobias Harris, Cory Joseph, Mirotic, etc. on the board). Waived after 2 seasons. Nothing out of asset.
2011 #34 -- Shelvin Mack (waived for no return, but he isin his 8th year in the league; a solid journeyman. Nothing out of asset)
2012 #32 -- Tomas Satoransky (w/ Draymond Green, Jae Crowder, Khris Middleton, & Will Barton going shortly thereafter. Sato played the following 4 seasons in Europe. Minimal return on asset.)
2012 #46 -- Thrown into Okariza trade & wasted. I wanted Kyle O'Quinn with that pick. Nothing out of asset.)
2013 #38 -- Traded to pick Glen Rice. Nothing out of asset.
2013 #54 -- Traded to pick Glen Rice. Nothing out of asset.
2014 #18 -- Traded for expiring salary of Marcin Gortat. Overpay -- but at least something!
2014 #46 -- Sold for cash Nothing out of asset.
2015 #19 -- Traded to select Kelly Oubre @ #15
2015 #49 -- Aaron White. Nothing out of the asset.
2016 #14 -- (lottery pick!) Traded for Markieff Morris, whom the Suns had tried unsuccessfully to trade for just about anything the entire season. Wasted asset.
2016 #44 -- in Kelly Oubre trade
2017 #22 -- Thrown away in trade to Nets in order to dump Nicholson. Nets took Jarret Allen, a stud C prospect. Nothing from asset.
2017 #52 -- Traded to NO for Tim Frazier (who is now back playing in NO), 800 minute rent a player. Virtually nothing out of asset.
2018 #15 -- Troy Brown Jr.
2018 #45 -- Issuf Sanon (Very likely nothing out of the asset)
We also owe our R2 pick in 2019 to Denver or Charlotte as a result of the trade up for Oubre.
We also owe a R2 pick in 2020 to Milwaukee (Jared Dudley), but it's top-55 protected
We also owe our R2 pick in 2021 to Utah (trade for Trey Burke)
There is the complete list of draft moves by Ernie Grunfeld over a ten-year period, leaving out the #1 pick he lucked into via the ping pong balls in '10, the #3 pick in '12, & the #3 pick he lucked into via the ping balls in '13.
There are 25 picks in the list above. From these 25 picks, what do we have that is meaningful? We have Tomas Satoransky, Kelly Oubre, & Tony Brown.
I'd like to ask: how much less could a GM have gotten out of 25 picks? I cannot imagine there's a single GM in the league who can compete with this list for utter & pathetic failure. How does Ernie have a job?
(For completeness: Atlanta owes us a R2 pick next year, top 55 protected. Even if it should convey, I don't think it really will, as this was part of a favor Atlanta did for Ernie by taking Sheldon Mac off his hands -- we gave them $$ to pay the remainder of his salary, of course.)
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:DEAR EG,
FUNNY HOW GOOD THE WIZARDS ARE when all the other assets you've acquired get to DO THEIR BEST (including Scott Brooks). They look pretty GOOD at 11-14; considering they WERE 2-9 before some folks got put on blast.
THIS IS a capable roster.
He doesn't know how to simply hold "em. Agreed.queridiculo wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:DEAR EG,
FUNNY HOW GOOD THE WIZARDS ARE when all the other assets you've acquired get to DO THEIR BEST (including Scott Brooks). They look pretty GOOD at 11-14; considering they WERE 2-9 before some folks got put on blast.
THIS IS a capable roster.
Eh, EG yet again **** the bed in the offseason with his decisions.
The Rivers trade and to a degree the Howard signing. Isn't it so typical for his tenure that the Wizards probably would have been better off if they had just stayed pat?
Satoransky had proven that he could be the perfect complement to Wall and Beal, a bit of continuity here and showing Sato that he's earned the trust of the organization would have gone a long way.
closg00 wrote:The 2016 1st Round pick for Morris is one of Ernie’s most underrated bad moves, one of his worst over-pats.
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