nate33 wrote:pancakes3 wrote:saw a trade proposal floating around: Wiggins + Warriors #2 overall in this draft + Warriors' 2021 first round pick from Minny + Warrior's 2021 second round pick from Minny.
The 2021 pick is top 3 protected, and unprotected in 2022. It's a gamble to see if we can get an unprotected first rounder in 2022 - the double-draft year but damn, makes you think.
That proposal has been floated a hundred times. It's horrible. Absolutely terrible.
I don't think you are factoring what a negative value Wiggins is. The guy is a net negative player who doesn't like basketball, and is paid $32M a year for the next 3 years. You would have to give me that Minny pick, and then some, just to absorb Wiggins' contract, which basically means you are trading Bradley Beal for the #2 pick in this horrible draft.
Nate... Im not saying I would outright take the deal as I would also want a future 1st from GSW (2022?) and their #48, and I dont see any deal happening before the deadline anyway.... buuuuut:
1) Wiggins Skill: I have said for YEARS how overrated Wiggins is, but it appears the consensus has started to swing the other way. Wiggins is only 24, and suffered from playing in a terrible organization with ridiculous expectations. His expectations and usage were that of a superstar, and he simply doesnt have the BBIQ or killer instinct for that as you mentioned.
I agree he doesnt love the game the way the elite players have to in this league, but I do think he is beginning to settle in as a 3rd/4th piece. In a way, he very much reminds of Demar Derozan.
Poor Defender, poor rebounder... but, he can score in a number of ways on moderate efficiency while showing a very underrated passing game. Dont kill the messenger, but go look at guys like Harrison Barnes and Derozan at 22-24 compared to Wiggins. His Shooting of 65-67% at the basket and 33-35% from 3 while drawing fouls will be enough from him to live in the 55-56% TS range, especially as his usage drops from the upper 25-27% range down to 20%.
2) Wiggins Contract: Agreed... Awful, but what are the opportunity cost? Thats what every team needs to ask in the NBA due to the CBA framework. If we are trading Beal then we are not competing and will not draw FA's for the next 2-3 years anyway.
Wiggins contract really only kills you if you are at the tax or needing cap space to sign a Star... neither of which are happening in this scenario
3) Picks: And now, the real value. I'm LOVING the 2021 draft right now, and unless Minny pulls of a steal of a trade for their pick, I think they falter and we get a pick in the 5-9 range next year easy. Also, our own pick would be in the same range without Beal.
For this years pick, I would NOT want number 2... So I would look to have a 3rd team lined up to trade down from 2 while getting another future pick. I.E. 2 to ATL for 6 & 2021 1st (Protected top 8-10, then top 3 in 2022).
Draft Okongwu at 6, Vassell/Haliburton at 9, Flynn/Pritchard @ 37, and Hinton @ 48.
Wall / Flynn (#37)
Brown / Haliburton (#9)
Wiggins / Hinton (#48)
Rui / Bonga
Bryant / Okongwu (#6)
Deep Bench: Mathews, Schofield, Knight (UDFA)
Future Assets: 2 2021 1st (Wiz/Minny), 2 2021 2nds (Wiz/Minny), 3 2022 1st (Wiz/ATL/GSW)
Thats a hell of haul that clearly has volume of picks, but most importantly... 6 Lotto picks in the next 3 years.