RussellandFlow wrote:Considering many now have Ingram as the #1 pick not seeing what the issue is taking him over Simmons who is without a position, is a poor defender who cannot shoot and has a questionable work ethic. The true Ernie move would be passing on both of those guys for Dragan Bender.
Lol Ingram isn't even close to the caliber of player that Simmons is. People are putting too much stock into the situations surrounding the two players.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/brandon-ingram-passed-ben-simmons-draft-prospect/story?id=37813013
Chad Ford: Not really, and I spoke with a number of general managers for teams projected to be in the lottery.
I chose GMs instead of scouts because in most cases the GM is the final decision-maker. Most GMs by now have a very good handle on the top prospects.
Most of them acknowledged that they had concerns about Simmons. They had a lot of questions. He is no longer the lock that he was in say, November or December.
But I couldn't get any of them to go so far as to say that they have replaced Simmons as the No. 1 player on the board. The closest I got? "Too early to tell" from one GM, and "Hung jury inside our group" from another.
A couple were adamant that Simmons was the only player in this draft who was worthy of the No. 1 pick.
"Sure, I've been disappointed," one said. "We have some concerns about him. But if it's not Simmons, who is it? I don't feel like there's a strong No. 2 option in this draft. There's no obvious guy that is clearly ahead of him."
So maybe that's a question we should tackle, Kevin. If Simmons were not the No. 1 pick, who would be? What do the numbers say?
Pelton: It's probably Ingram, but I don't see him as a No. 1-caliber prospect. In fact, only once in the past nine drafts would he qualify as the second-best prospect, according to my projections. (That would be in 2012, when there was a huge drop-off after Anthony Davis.)
In terms of my statistical projections, Ingram is not far ahead of Jamal Murray.
Some of the discrepancy may be that I'm putting a lot less stock in Ingram's 41.3 percent 3-point shooting than many scouts. As we've discussed, 179 attempts just doesn't tell us that much about Ingram's ability to shoot the NBA 3. Furthermore, his sub-70 percent free throw shooting is worrisome given that college foul shooting tends to predict NBA 3-point shooting about as well as college 3-point shooting.
Ironically, in this case I'm paying less attention to the numbers because of the tendency of 3-point field goal percentage to be a bit random.
"Scouts" are still terrible. I take what a guy like Johnathan Givony says with a lick of salt.