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Dat2U wrote:

keynote wrote:The Nets just traded Andrew "Uncle Denzel" Nicholson for Crabbe. Blazers shave $40M+ off of their luxury tax bill; the Nets pick up another young piece. He's overpaid, but the Nets don't care. Sensible trade for both teams.

And I think we can safely say Andrew Nicholson's NBA career has come to an end.

He owes Ernie a steak dinner.

Dat2U wrote:

keynote wrote:The Nets just traded Andrew "Uncle Denzel" Nicholson for Crabbe. Blazers shave $40M+ off of their luxury tax bill; the Nets pick up another young piece. He's overpaid, but the Nets don't care. Sensible trade for both teams.

And I think we can safely say Andrew Nicholson's NBA career has come to an end.

Maybe he can do like Phelps racing a shark - with Nicholson racing a turtle.

Pretty good move by Portland, but how did they get in that situation?

40M+... still trying to grasp that John Wall is going to be making that per year.

Brooklyn is making some real questionable moves. The Carroll move was good, but they just took on an additional 13M in salary each of the next 3 years and saved Portland 40M this year alone. How did they not get a pick?
They probably could of done the same trade for Deng, but LAL would of given them Hart/Nance/Randle/etc...

Ruzious wrote:40M+... still trying to grasp that John Wall is going to be making that per year.

$40 million is probably more than the entire Bullets payroll from the time they moved to Baltimore in 1963 through their last appearance in the finals in 1979. It wouldn't surprise me if the entire league had a payroll below $40 million well into the 1970s, maybe into the 1980s.

Time for Wall to buy a shark tank. Hope he's not a gun collecter.

montestewart wrote:

Ruzious wrote:40M+... still trying to grasp that John Wall is going to be making that per year.

$40 million is probably more than the entire Bullets payroll from the time they moved to Baltimore in 1963 through their last appearance in the finals in 1979. It wouldn't surprise me if the entire league had a payroll below $40 million well into the 1970s, maybe into the 1980s.

Time for Wall to buy a shark tank. Hope he's not a gun collecter.

If he is, hopefully he won't bring any to any of the local... arenas.

Those numbers are just amazing. We grew up in a different world - in a world where one player had a turn-around jumper, one other player had a sky hook, and one other shot underhanded. Vince McMahon, Sr would not permit other players to use those moves.

Brandon Knight unfortunately does down with ACL, does PHX get interested in Kyrie Irving?

LyricalRico wrote:Brandon Knight unfortunately does down with ACL, does PHX get interested in Kyrie Irving?

Brandon Knight tearing an ACL doesn't hurt them whatsoever.

pcbothwel wrote:Brooklyn is making some real questionable moves. The Carroll move was good, but they just took on an additional 13M in salary each of the next 3 years and saved Portland 40M this year alone. How did they not get a pick?
They probably could of done the same trade for Deng, but LAL would of given them Hart/Nance/Randle/etc...

Perhaps, but from the Nets' perspective, Crabbe's deal is only a slight overpay, right? They presumably did their research on Crabbe when they offered him this same massive deal the first time around. They must think that last year's stinker was an anomaly and/or that Crabbe will play better in their system. And, they got to offload the crappy Nicholson deal in the process.

In contrast, if they did another deal with the Lakers, they'd have to swallow a known negative deal in Deng in order to get another young piece. I think their deal with Portland makes a bit more sense -- but it depends on your opinion of Crabbe.

AFM wrote:

Dat2U wrote:

keynote wrote:The Nets just traded Andrew "Uncle Denzel" Nicholson for Crabbe. Blazers shave $40M+ off of their luxury tax bill; the Nets pick up another young piece. He's overpaid, but the Nets don't care. Sensible trade for both teams.

And I think we can safely say Andrew Nicholson's NBA career has come to an end.

He owes Ernie a steak dinner.

No kidding! His NBA career was about to come to an end exactly a year ago, & then Ernie came along & gave him an extra twenty five million dollars!! Wow!

I mean... sometimes we forget this is actual real honest to goodness money. He got handed $25 million real dollars.... Only Ernie....

keynote wrote:

pcbothwel wrote:Brooklyn is making some real questionable moves. The Carroll move was good, but they just took on an additional 13M in salary each of the next 3 years and saved Portland 40M this year alone. How did they not get a pick?
They probably could of done the same trade for Deng, but LAL would of given them Hart/Nance/Randle/etc...

Perhaps, but from the Nets' perspective, Crabbe's deal is only a slight overpay, right? They presumably did their research on Crabbe when they offered him this same massive deal the first time around. They must think that last year's stinker was an anomaly and/or that Crabbe will play better in their system. And, they got to offload the crappy Nicholson deal in the process.

In contrast, if they did another deal with the Lakers, they'd have to swallow a known negative deal in Deng in order to get another young piece. I think their deal with Portland makes a bit more sense -- but it depends on your opinion of Crabbe.

Given that Nicholson is worth nothing whatsoever, all it depends on is whether you think Crabbe is worth the delta over Nicholson -- nothing else. In other words, they don't have to still think he's worth the massive deal, just that he's worth the massive deal minus $6.5m/year.

For the Blazers, otoh, this was a no cost deal. They save at least the cost of Nicholson's whole deal from their lux tax payment.

For them it's a great deal, no doubt. Yes, you would certainly think a good GM could have gotten a pick out of them as well. What a score for Portland!

wonderful trade by the nets,
Is crabe a "bad contract" sure he is way way way over paid!
But the nets have years of lost youth to make up for and taking on slightly over paid youngsters to help tax struggling teams is a smart way to do it.
They have so much room they need guys like crabe, he could turn into something interesting, if not at least they tried and hes got 3 years left on that deal. much better than over paying someone this summer for 4 years.

Alot of people are saying WOW how did they dump him with out a pick when teams were asking 2 firsts for anderson or the lakers had to pay a first and a young player to dump mosgov.
You have to look at the player and his contract.
Crabbe is 25 and while hes not worth half his money, he does shoot threes and again hes 25 years old. he could still blow up and while he will never EVER be worth 19 and a half a year, to some team, he kind of is, its the one mans trash another mans treasure story ive been pimping for years. The nets have lost so many draft picks they need to take young kids on over paid deals to make up for the lack of youth with them being in rebuild mode till they get back on their feet. This makes perfect sense. mozgov and anderson cost so much to dump because they are what they are, mozgov, finished, and anderson nothing more than an overpaid streaky shooter who can't rebound.
crabe go dumped for cheap because hes still got a marketable skill and when you take away his contract, he is still 25 and useful on the court.
Now Mahinmi for example, is 30, and while over paid by a bit, no as much as crabe, but when healthy he does have an elite skill set. He is one of the better defencive centers in the league. So I think that this more than anything proves that the market, situation and circumstances determines the value of a player, not some preconceived notion of what someones worth that we make up in our heads.

One thing to note about Mahinmi is he was good defensively shortly before the 3pt spacing era went full blast

how good is he defensively against 3pt shooting centers?

Dark Faze wrote:One thing to note about Mahinmi is he was good defensively shortly before the 3pt spacing era went full blast

how good is he defensively against 3pt shooting centers?

Huh, He was Elite defensively in 15-16

pcbothwel wrote:

Dark Faze wrote:One thing to note about Mahinmi is he was good defensively shortly before the 3pt spacing era went full blast

how good is he defensively against 3pt shooting centers?

Huh, He was Elite defensively in 15-16

He fouled too much to be considered elite, and it's not like he's much of a shot-blocker or rebounder - he's just adequate at both. The good thing he does defensively is get a lot of deflections. And he's not particularly good at coming out to the perimeter to cover 3's. Then again, most centers aren't.

Ruzious wrote:

pcbothwel wrote:

Dark Faze wrote:One thing to note about Mahinmi is he was good defensively shortly before the 3pt spacing era went full blast

how good is he defensively against 3pt shooting centers?

Huh, He was Elite defensively in 15-16

He fouled too much to be considered elite, and it's not like he's much of a shot-blocker or rebounder - he's just adequate at both. The good thing he does defensively is get a lot of deflections. And he's not particularly good at coming out to the perimeter to cover 3's. Then again, most centers aren't.

fouled out every season but two per 36 despite not being much of a rebounder or shot blocker, and seems at best average at closing out on 3pt shooters

The boston series was so disheartening in regards to the defensive potential of our big man rotation. Nobody could stop IT at the rim on switches to save their lives and on the opposite end there wasn't a big on the roster that could close out properly on Olynyk or Horford. Ian can get the benefit of the doubt due to injury but its not an issue he can hide from, we'll probably see them in the playoffs against and I doubt the result will be different.

gambitx777 wrote:crabe ...he is way way way over paid!
But the nets have years of lost youth to make up for and taking on slightly over paid youngsters.....

Dude... make your mind up!

payitforward wrote:

gambitx777 wrote:crabe ...he is way way way over paid!
But the nets have years of lost youth to make up for and taking on slightly over paid youngsters.....

Dude... make your mind up!

PIff you know I had a decent point! but I know you like to have fun with me so its all good broski

montestewart wrote:

DCZards wrote:Kyrie can be unstoppable. Sick handles. Scores in the clutch. Always nice to have a guy like that on your side when the game is on the line, especially playoff games.

He'd probably average as many assists as Lowry (maybe more) if it weren't for the fact that he plays next to Lebron.

Sure, players can evolve and maybe he finds a new game, but before LeBJ, Kyrie had only .8 more assists per 36, with significantly more TOs, significantly lower TS%, and significantly lower 3 pt production.

Yah...Kyrie is unstoppable in spurts but the ball stops with him. Kyrie often feels like he is the best option no matter who is in front of him (reminds me of Kobe) and it may be true...but do you want to play with a 6', ball dominate shooting guard that doesnt play defense. I love scoring ability but we have seen this story before with AI and that didn't translate into championships...so its good for the Wiz if Kyrie stays after Lebron leaves because we will OWN the cavs...even if Love stays.

Speaking of Love, I still think people underrate him. Consider he plays with 2 ball dominant dominators - even when he does get the ball, it's after a teammate's pounded the ball for 15 seconds. He's the 3rd option there, and they don't take advantage of his inside skills - where he's an outstanding passer as well as scorer. Just because he doesn't do much taking people off the dribble, the assumption is that he's a limited offensive player. It's a bad assumption, imo. And he moves a lot better on defense than he did in his early years.

Speaking of Love, I still think people underrate him. Consider he plays with 2 ball dominant dominators - even when he does get the ball, it's after a teammate's pounded the ball for 15 seconds. He's the 3rd option there, and they don't take advantage of his inside skills - where he's an outstanding passer as well as scorer. Just because he doesn't do much taking people off the dribble, the assumption is that he's a limited offensive player. It's a bad assumption, imo. And he moves a lot better on defense than he did in his early years.