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Watching the game yesterday against the hawks and I watch Wall complain about a supposed flagrant foul from Bazemore.

He has gone through multiple surgeries on his knee and this fool doesn't even recognize when his opponent is trying to help him change his landing mechanics. Wall is going full speed lunging in the air for a wide open layup but dum doesn't even turn his hip in the air so that he lands backwards and reducing the amount of stress on his knees for landing. Instead wall lands forward facing with all of his weight absorbed in his knees. --watch russell westbrook land every time. Watch how lebron james lands. -- they last long because they know how to land with damaging their knees--wall and beal don't and wizard organization seems to not care that their expensive assets are unknowingly shortening their careers each time they land forward facing after a take off. Even on a jumpshot, ideally you want to land with your weight behind your knees going backwards so that the force is absorb into your glutes not your joints. Wizard training staff seems to not care at all that their players are ignorant of these key concepts of knee injury prevention. Both star players have serious knee injury problems that could have easily been prevented in Leonsis understand how valuable a star players knee is to creating a DYNASTY. The longer a star player's knee last, the greater probability of a DYNASTY!!! Please put this is the memorable quotes thread because no other statement on this site is as powerful. the biggest factor that declines a players ability is his knee deterioration.
People to blame, Walls low IQ related to longterm injury protection and the wizards not having staff that keeps trains their players to execute body movements that keep their joints from deteriorating unnecessarily.

Jumpshots...your landing mechanics for a jumpshot should force your body weight behind your knees not directly on top. You landing mechanics for a layup should end the same way the jump started. Not one time do i see any of the wizards players turning their hips in the air an landing on their back foot. I will continue this until i see wizard management view their players---JOINTS---particularly knee---as most important for their star players. It's in the fans best interest for our good players to last as long as possible. We had to wait nearly 10 years to draft wall and beal number overall and now we are seeing their effectiveness cut short severely because of knee problems.

Wizard management must protect the players knee even in the player is unaware that they are damaging their knees uncessarily with poor landing mechanics because we as fans are paying for this product, investing hours watching these players perform, and we want to see a product that improves. this basketball product we see will not improve if wall and beal continue to land inefficiently, and cause uncecessary damage to their knees each time they jump.
We should have a training specialist that specifically analyzes landing mechanics of each of our "FRANCHISE" players who the team has invest to close to 100 million a piece in and force these players to extend their knee live as long as possible by using landing mechanics after jumping that lengthen the life of their knee joints. The only thing preventing this team from reaching a dynasty status is --amount of unnecessary damage each is abusing his knee with due to inefficiently landing mechanics after both layups and jumpshots. Every time Wall with all of his weight on one knee, his career is being shortened and the probability of wizards reaching dynasty status are reduce. same with beal. Wall and Beal basketball iq will eventually reach elite status but by the time it does, their knees will have suffered insurmountable damage aka deron williams, gilbert arenas, mcgrady...list goes on and on.

Only people who really care about the longterm knee health will be fans because we are the ones who suffer watching a wizard team without a true point guard for 15 years. we suffered through the years of not having a legitimate shooting guard...aka nick young, jordan crawford.
If anyone has a chance,compare how russell westbrook lands every time he drives for a layup versus the way wall lands. You see a huge difference. Look at how beal lands after a jumpshot compare to the way curry lands. ---ONce you understand the difference, you will begin to have insight into what makes the wizards a second tier basketball organization. The fans insight and demand for changes to the product is only way wizards will have a chance to be good.
Until management forces their players to reduce amount of unnecessary wear and tear--by studying their players mechanics--wall should land like russell---beal should land after a layup like russell. If beal wants to improve his accuracy on shooting, his landing mehanics including momentum of his body should be similar to curry's. these are things that fans must demand from their star players if this team is to improve. Plays should be designed to protect players from stress related joint injuries--spacing designed in the play should allow the player to land without a defender running underneath them and forcing them to land awkardly.

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Good to see doc back.

Have you considered submitting this post to the Journal of American Biomechanics?

I am hoping that there comes a point where i am watching a game, and wall's landing dynamics have changed. Shows me the GM cares about our franchise player's knee longterm. I hope to watch Wall for the next ten years, because once he is gone, who knows how many decades we will have to wait in order to get another franchise player.

WizarDynasty wrote:I am hoping that there comes a point where i am watching a game, and wall's landing dynamics have changed. Shows me the GM cares about our franchise player's knee longterm. I hope to watch Wall for the next ten years, because once he is gone, who knows how many decades we will have to wait in order to get another franchise player.

Which one are you in your video?

AFM wrote:

WizarDynasty wrote:I am hoping that there comes a point where i am watching a game, and wall's landing dynamics have changed. Shows me the GM cares about our franchise player's knee longterm. I hope to watch Wall for the next ten years, because once he is gone, who knows how many decades we will have to wait in order to get another franchise player.

Which one are you in your video?

Prefer to keep the convo on wizards getting their first win. Hopefully Leonsis checks these boards so we can finally see some action.

AFM wrote:

WizarDynasty wrote:I am hoping that there comes a point where i am watching a game, and wall's landing dynamics have changed. Shows me the GM cares about our franchise player's knee longterm. I hope to watch Wall for the next ten years, because once he is gone, who knows how many decades we will have to wait in order to get another franchise player.

Which one are you in your video?

Pants

WizarDynasty wrote:If anyone has a chance,compare how russell westbrook lands every time he drives for a layup versus the way wall lands. You see a huge difference. Look at how beal lands after a jumpshot compare to the way curry lands. ---ONce you understand the difference, you will begin to have insight into what makes the wizards a second tier basketball organization. The fans insight and demand for changes to the product is only way wizards will have a chance to be good.
Until management forces their players to reduce amount of unnecessary wear and tear--by studying their players mechanics--wall should land like russell---beal should land after a layup like russell. If beal wants to improve his accuracy on shooting, his landing mehanics including momentum of his body should be similar to curry's. these are things that fans must demand from their star players if this team is to improve. Plays should be designed to protect players from stress related joint injuries--spacing designed in the play should allow the player to land without a defender running underneath them and forcing them to land awkardly.

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WizD, I've never really thought much about this, so I'm only going by these two videos. The difference I see is Russell's vertical move has more lateral in it, so he's landing (one-footed) more in a stride, whereas Wall's looks less lateral and he lands on two feet. I guess you're saying that there's more weight coming down vertically on his knees, followed immediately by continuation of lateral motion. I guess I can see how that could create more stress on knees, though I don't really know anything about biomechanics, etc. Is that what you're getting at? Similar to the explanation of a jump shot, not coming straight down on your two feet, but off center and entering into a stride?

Brad will be injured by the break at this rate

It's inevitable

wall and beal both have very stiff hips. they can't turn hip forward facing while landing and this results in tremendous knee stress

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If you look at the footsole of the shoes Beal is wearing in the video compared to these, the footsole is broken into two parts and this allows for superior turning stability at high speed, the shoes beal are wearing, are not designed for turning at highspeeds. you would think with a 100 million dollar contract would wear shoes that allow him to take advantage of his natural gifts.
all points guards should wear lebron elite 11, designed for sprinters who want to change direction at highspeed. Shoe is broken into two parts designed for maximum contact in the forefoot. Beal's nike shoes are NOT designed to maintain the amount of torque beal is placing when he is attempting to do is spin. Hopefully Leonsis is watching. Wall needs these shoes too.
I have never worn a different shoe.

Justed to bring attention to Beal's hard landing on almost all of his jump shots. Beal's knees will not last long this season if he keeps landing this hard directly on his knees instead of falling back slightly with his weight moving backwards behind his knees. Look at stephen curry land on his three point shots at 2:30 and look at how Beal lands hard on with none of his weight moving backward on all of shots. I believe Beal can be the primary scorer if he adjust the way he lands on his jumpshots so that his knees aren't absorbing all of the weight when he lands. If he leans back like stephen curry does at the 2:57 through 3:02 mark of his video and another at 3:23, he may be able to last the entire season. .

Look at how westbrook lands on his three point shot at 2:29 through 2:36. If you want to last for the entire season you need to land the same way superstars land athetically the way proven superstar high volume scorers land.

Now watch how Beal lands. Really hard landing directly over knee cartilage. He is not shifting the weight backwards as he lands from his jumpshot. Go back and watch curry and westbrook land and you see why they make it through 82 games and beal can't. You never see shoot his three ball and his actually falling backwards when lands. He his damaging his knee every time he lands. Look at beal at 1:29 mark. guy who has horrible landing mechanics and long history of knee injuries is not a guy you want to rely on during playoff time. Management should insist on their primary scorer using landing technique that doesn't damage his knee so that he can give his team a full season of high productivity and not a half a quarter of a season. Watch how Beal lands compared to curry and westbrook and it makes you cringe. Beal can be a cornerstone if he management forces him to use proper injury prevention mechanics. He should be falling backwards with his weight behind him on his jumpers. Wall is partially to blame because he is timing his passes so that Beal catching point of the ball is preventing his full motion from going backwards. Either way, Beal on nearly all of his threes does not land like high volume, high shooting efficiency three point shooting guards that have lasted entire season multiple times.

The new training staff/injury prevention team will have to earn their paycheck by keeping these guys healthy all year

After last season, the Wizards restructured their training staff, adding Steve Smith as director of sports science and Jesse Phillips as director of performance to enhance their ability to track the workloads of players in an effort to prevent injuries. One of their tools is the Viper pod, a device that tracks and streams real-time data of a player’s performance during practice, and which the team used for the previous three seasons.

When practices conclude and members of the media are permitted inside, Phillips can be seen seated in the corner of the facility with a laptop. He evaluates data from each player’s GPS tracker, such as distance ran, speed and time. This allows the team to compare recent information to last season’s and adjust if a player such as Beal has exceeded his workload from a year ago.

The Wizards do not allow athletic training staffers to speak with reporters, but Coach Scott Brooks revealed that the daily information on players helps determine how he uses them in practice.

“It’s important and it’s changing every day,” Brooks said. “You have to be on top of it. I like the guys that we have and they’re focused on doing whatever it takes to have our players ready to play every night.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wizards-insider/wp/2016/11/23/for-bradley-beal-and-the-wizards-preventing-injuries-is-a-game-of-its-own/

WizD, what do you think about Fish Oil Supplements to keep my knees extra lubricated?

AFM wrote:WizD, what do you think about Fish Oil Supplements to keep my knees extra lubricated?

extra strength cartilage pills of highest quality. chondroitin and glucosamine daily. Wear a calf wrap around both calves, increases blood flow to your calfs which help you absorb the force that wear down your knees. Obviously landing on tippy toes and not letting your heals strike the ground means your knees aren't fully absorbing the contact of the jump, you are letting your calf muscles do most of the work. Calf muscles can replenish after a day of rest but destroying knee cartillage takes years if ever to repair.
If you can land on your tippy toes and not let your heal strike the ground you are using good form. Watch beal entire leg lock straight when you lands after a jump shot. You can see the damage being done. It is painful to watch. Watch a guy like curry and on his,tippy toes after he shoots a jumper, he quickly back pedals with his knees bent when he lands from a jumpshot, same with russell westbrook. Beal starts imitating these motions, he should be able to last alot longer and contribute much more free throw attempt totals for the season for his leonsis franchise, the wash. wiz.

AFM wrote:WizD, what do you think about Fish Oil Supplements to keep my knees extra lubricated?

Mostly bro science. Some other benefits for heart/antioxidants, but nothing concrete for joints/tendons.

Assuming no debilitating injuries, you have to keep blood pumping to the area and ROM (range of motion). Simple BW squats/lunges along with some yoga poses are great for balance and moving blood through the area. Compliment that with other knee flexion exercises and you'll notice a difference.

Also, Foam roll your IT band (From your outside hip to outside of knee) and posterior chain (Lower back/Hamstings/Glutes/calves)

Great game for Beal but he won't last long with the way he lands on his knees. I see a ton of shots were he allows all of the force from his jumps go directly into his knees instead of leaning backwards and letting the force be absorbed through his backpedal. Most of his layups he stops his momentum while facing forward which means all of the force is being stopped by his knees. Same with his jumper, instead of falling backwards slightly he lands down directly.
I thought he was improving but it appears the Wizard Medical Staff has dropped the ball once again. Let's count down when beal has a stress fracture in one of his bones because of his horrible landing mechanics after layups and jumpshots.
Great he dropped 41, but it doesn't really matter if he can't make it through the season.

Was it the shoes or the fact that he i take a wide enough step due to his knee disability?

I think it's his socks. He needs to wear Nike DriFit socks, they have better lateral strain numbers.