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Okay, it is time for me to say what I gotta say.

Last game against OKC he could have coached to foul; instead of letting Westbrook attempt and make the tying 3. (Two foul shots don't tie in what should have been a W.)

Coach Brooks continues to play Jason Smith instead of playing Andrew Nicholson. Gortat fouls out in 42 mins. Bad coaching!

McClellan and Ochefu and some other people are not playing at all. Sato??? (Not innovative enough to bring energy off the bench.)

I remember in November of his first season criticizing Flip Saunders' coaching.

Well, Ernie Grunfeld just got through firing flip I mean Wittman-- and he gave Scott Brooks an Incredibly lucrative contract!

History is repeating itself.

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He really has no options. The most-probable reason why the undrafted rookies/Nicholson don't play is that they're simply not ready. I think he is more qualified to judge his players since he watches them everyday in practice. If they are messing up plays/getting dominated in practice, then they won't play. Sato has been playing awful for the past 4-5 games so a DNP was expected.

Bottom line is trades are needed to get some real bench players. These guys are well below replacement-level.

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Okay, it is time for me to say what I gotta say.
Last game against OKC he could have coached to foul; instead of letting Westbrook attempt and make the tying 3. (Two foul shots don't tie in what should have been a W.)
Coach Brooks continues to play Jason Smith instead of playing Andrew Nicholson. Gortat fouls out in 42 mins. Bad coaching!
McClellan and Ochefu and some other people are not playing at all. Sato??? (Not innovative enough to bring energy off the bench.)
I remember in November of his first season criticizing Flip Saunders' coaching.
Well, Ernie Grunfeld just got through firing flip I mean Wittman-- and he gave Scott Brooks an Incredibly lucrative contract!
History is repeating itself.

...I was thinking about this the other day (before last nights downer).
Wish there was a stat that showed the probability of any team hitting a 3ptr at the end of a quarter or game, and the probability of any team hitting a 3ptr against us at the end of a quarter or game. I'm sure it exists....just gotta find it.
I would also like to know the probability of us pulling a rebound after a missed FT by our opponent.

My hypothesis is that we are better off letting other teams take a 3ptr, than fouling them and letting them go to the foul line...where they make 1 or 2, and purposely miss the 2nd, and they get the rebound for another chance at scoring, or they foul us and we go to the line, etc.

You can put the OKC loss on Brooks because we went into 'burn the clock' mode the last 4 minutes or so of the game when up 7. We went away from what made us successful up until that point.

However this team is specifically built to fail. We've got 4 starters playing well. 1 starter playing like crap (Morris) and 9 guys off the bench that range from consistently inconsistent (Oubre) to completely unplayable (Burke, Smith, Nicholson, Ochefu, House). Then there's just plain bad (Satoransky & Thornton). Sure he could give McClellan some burn but there's no guarantee he won't stink up the place either.

The roster Brooks was given is significantly worse than the roster Wittman had. If it wasn't for the leaps taken by Beal & Porter we might be looking up at Philadelphia right now.

Dat2U wrote:You can put the OKC loss on Brooks because we went into 'burn the clock' mode the last 4 minutes or so of the game when up 7. We went away from what made us successful up until that point.

However this team is specifically built to fail. We've got 4 starters playing well. 1 starter playing like crap (Morris) and 9 guys off the bench that range from consistently inconsistent (Oubre) to completely unplayable (Burke, Smith, Nicholson, Ochefu, House). Then there's just plain bad (Satoransky & Thornton). Sure he could give McClellan some burn but there's no guarantee he won't stink up the place either.

The roster Brooks was given is significantly worse than the roster Wittman had. If it wasn't for the leaps taken by Beal & Porter we might be looking up at Philadelphia right now.

I heard Greg Monroe is AVAILABLE. I heard Brandon Knight is AVAILABLE. I heard Nerlens Noel is AVAILABLE.

Get it done Ernie.

Meliorus wrote:I heard Greg Monroe is AVAILABLE. I heard Brandon Knight is AVAILABLE. I heard Nerlens Noel is AVAILABLE.

Get it done Ernie.

I heard you have to GIVE SOMETHING to GET SOMETHING. Any suggestions?

payitforward wrote:

Meliorus wrote:I heard Greg Monroe is AVAILABLE. I heard Brandon Knight is AVAILABLE. I heard Nerlens Noel is AVAILABLE.

Get it done Ernie.

I heard you have to GIVE SOMETHING to GET SOMETHING. Any suggestions?

Stranger things have happened. I'm not a GM so I can't answer. Hopefully he can work some 3-team magic where some team needs Gortat/Manhimi. I wonder if we could acquire Knight with a 2nd round pick + filler.

We're not losing games because of Scotty Brooks. We're losing games, because we are a bad team.We are a bad team, because mostly we have a bunch of bad players (& a few good ones).

We have the players we have because they are the players Ernie Grunfeld wanted. He confidently predicted a good season for the Wizards this year. He thought the players he brought in would see to that and get us into the playoffs -- & I'm sure he didn't mean sneak in at #8 either. He thought he'd constructed a kick-ass team that could do some damage.

Meliorus wrote:

payitforward wrote:

Meliorus wrote:I heard Greg Monroe is AVAILABLE. I heard Brandon Knight is AVAILABLE. I heard Nerlens Noel is AVAILABLE.

Get it done Ernie.

I heard you have to GIVE SOMETHING to GET SOMETHING. Any suggestions?

Stranger things have happened. I'm not a GM so I can't answer. Hopefully he can work some 3-team magic where some team needs Gortat/Manhimi. I wonder if we could acquire Knight with a 2nd round pick + filler.

Monroe would likely require Gortat. Which may be fine but that amounts to rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

Knight is trash, he's just be afforded the opportunity to take a lot of shots on a bad team. Our filler is mostly long term contracts too. I think we'd be hard pressed to move guys like Nicholson, Smith etc without better incentive than a 2nd round pick or two.

Again, with Noel it's requires an asset. Maybe Oubre? Likely a 1st round pick. At this rate I wouldn't give up our pick for nothing short of an all-star because it looks like it will be a fairly high one.

Dat2U wrote:

Meliorus wrote:

payitforward wrote:I heard you have to GIVE SOMETHING to GET SOMETHING. Any suggestions?

Stranger things have happened. I'm not a GM so I can't answer. Hopefully he can work some 3-team magic where some team needs Gortat/Manhimi. I wonder if we could acquire Knight with a 2nd round pick + filler.

Monroe would likely require Gortat. Which may be fine but that amounts to rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

Knight is trash, he's just be afforded the opportunity to take a lot of shots on a bad team. Our filler is mostly long term contracts too. I think we'd be hard pressed to move guys like Nicholson, Smith etc without better incentive than a 2nd round pick or two.

Again, with Noel it's requires an asset. Maybe Oubre? Likely a 1st round pick. At this rate I wouldn't give up our pick for nothing short of an all-star because it looks like it will be a fairly high one.

If Manhimi can prove to be the Manhimi from last year and stay healthy, then we can deal Gortat for Monroe to get an offensive-minded backup center. Brandon Knight I think could be good, but it doesn't have to be him. Just need a combo guard, maybe Jeremy Lin?

Meliorus wrote:

Dat2U wrote:

Meliorus wrote:
Stranger things have happened. I'm not a GM so I can't answer. Hopefully he can work some 3-team magic where some team needs Gortat/Manhimi. I wonder if we could acquire Knight with a 2nd round pick + filler.

Monroe would likely require Gortat. Which may be fine but that amounts to rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

Knight is trash, he's just be afforded the opportunity to take a lot of shots on a bad team. Our filler is mostly long term contracts too. I think we'd be hard pressed to move guys like Nicholson, Smith etc without better incentive than a 2nd round pick or two.

Again, with Noel it's requires an asset. Maybe Oubre? Likely a 1st round pick. At this rate I wouldn't give up our pick for nothing short of an all-star because it looks like it will be a fairly high one.

If Manhimi can prove to be the Manhimi from last year and stay healthy, then we can deal Gortat for Monroe to get an offensive-minded backup center. Brandon Knight I think could be good, but it doesn't have to be him. Just need a combo guard, maybe Jeremy Lin?

Swapping Gortat or Monroe isn't going to make us better, just younger.

And again, whether it's Knight or Lin or whatever middlin' guard you can think of it will require an asset you likely wouldn't want to give up for such a player.

Both/And.

Our players from 5-15 are historically suck, and dang expensive.

Brooks is a lower third of the league coach on a massive contract.

The wrap on him from OKC days is spot on - decent players coach, very good person, relies on isos, no real game management skills.

The State of the Wiz is not good. Not good at all.

I refuse to blame Brooks for this teams record given the players he has at his disposal.

Beal is trending in the right direction, Gortat is playing well, Porter is having the best season as a pro and despite the few stinkers Wall has put up, he's also having a solid to good year statistically.

That's basically all Brooks has to work with, it's no surprise the Wizards are doing a less than stellar job.

queridiculo wrote:I refuse to blame Brooks for this teams record given the players he has at his disposal.

Beal is trending in the right direction, Gortat is playing well, Porter is having the best season as a pro and despite the few stinkers Wall has put up, he's also having a solid to good year statistically.

That's basically all Brooks has to work with, it's no surprise the Wizards are doing a less than stellar job.

Check this out.

I do blame Brooks for two or three non-wins. This team should have about 9 wins and 9 losses IMO.

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Looking back at various Wizards coaches in the recent past, I would say that Eddie Jordan was a very bad defensive coach. However, he was an excellent locker room coach and he tended to win with very limited personnel. If Eddie were coaching this team, I believe they would be about 11 wins and seven losses instead of 6 and 12.

Flip Saunders inherited a roster that was totally incapable of what he thought he could do with it. Andray Blatche was no Kevin Garnett. As a coach Flip really wasn't very successful in DC.

Randy Wittman was an excellent interim coach. So much so that the Wizards did not hire Dave Joerger when they might have. They rewarded Wittman with the permanent coaching contract. (Peanuts compared to what EG gave Scott Brooks!). This turned out to be not the best move in my opinion. Wittman did not like to play the young guys at all. Player Development was severely stunted. Wall and Beal did not learn the best spacing concepts toward maximizing their efficiency on the floor. I thought otherwise Randy was a darned good coach.

So far I don't know what to make of Scott Brooks

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Looking back at various Wizards coaches in the recent past, I would say that Eddie Jordan was a very bad defensive coach. However, he was an excellent locker room coach and he tended to win with very limited personnel. If Eddie were coaching this team, I believe they would be about 11 wins and seven losses instead of 6 and 12.

Flip Saunders inherited a roster that was totally incapable of what he thought he could do with it. Andray Blatche was no Kevin Garnett. As a coach Flip really wasn't very successful in DC.

Randy Wittman was an excellent interim coach. So much so that the Wizards did not hire Dave Joerger when they might have. They rewarded Wittman with the permanent coaching contract. (Peanuts compared to what EG gave Scott Brooks!). This turned out to be not the best move in my opinion. Wittman did not like to play the young guys at all. Player Development was severely stunted. Wall and Beal did not learn the best spacing concepts toward maximizing their efficiency on the floor. I thought otherwise Randy was a darned good coach.

So far I don't know what to make of Scott Brooks

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Eddie Jordan was so damn good he ran Rutgers, his alma mater, right into ground. He was brutal coaching the Kings & 76ers and now is out of coaching altogether at the moment. Continuing give Jordan credit minimizes the contribution Gilbert Arenas made to the franchise, a guy Jordan didn't even want. Your love of Jordan is not just unfounded its makes no sense. Just like this thread.

Wow Dat is in a poo poo mood!

Dat2U wrote:

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Looking back at various Wizards coaches in the recent past, I would say that Eddie Jordan was a very bad defensive coach. However, he was an excellent locker room coach and he tended to win with very limited personnel. If Eddie were coaching this team, I believe they would be about 11 wins and seven losses instead of 6 and 12.

Flip Saunders inherited a roster that was totally incapable of what he thought he could do with it. Andray Blatche was no Kevin Garnett. As a coach Flip really wasn't very successful in DC.

Randy Wittman was an excellent interim coach. So much so that the Wizards did not hire Dave Joerger when they might have. They rewarded Wittman with the permanent coaching contract. (Peanuts compared to what EG gave Scott Brooks!). This turned out to be not the best move in my opinion. Wittman did not like to play the young guys at all. Player Development was severely stunted. Wall and Beal did not learn the best spacing concepts toward maximizing their efficiency on the floor. I thought otherwise Randy was a darned good coach.

So far I don't know what to make of Scott Brooks

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Eddie Jordan was so damn good he ran Rutgers, his alma mater, right into ground. He was brutal coaching the Kings & 76ers and now is out of coaching altogether at the moment. Continuing give Jordan credit minimizes the contribution Gilbert Arenas made to the franchise, a guy Jordan didn't even want. Your love of Jordan is not just unfounded its makes no sense. Just like this thread.

This times infinity.

Eddie Jordan was a terrible coach. Arenas was basically James Harden, yet EJ averaged just 43 wins in his 3 peak years despite playing in an extremely weak conference and having two other All-Stars alongside Arenas.

nate33 wrote:

Dat2U wrote:

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Looking back at various Wizards coaches in the recent past, I would say that Eddie Jordan was a very bad defensive coach. However, he was an excellent locker room coach and he tended to win with very limited personnel. If Eddie were coaching this team, I believe they would be about 11 wins and seven losses instead of 6 and 12.

Flip Saunders inherited a roster that was totally incapable of what he thought he could do with it. Andray Blatche was no Kevin Garnett. As a coach Flip really wasn't very successful in DC.

Randy Wittman was an excellent interim coach. So much so that the Wizards did not hire Dave Joerger when they might have. They rewarded Wittman with the permanent coaching contract. (Peanuts compared to what EG gave Scott Brooks!). This turned out to be not the best move in my opinion. Wittman did not like to play the young guys at all. Player Development was severely stunted. Wall and Beal did not learn the best spacing concepts toward maximizing their efficiency on the floor. I thought otherwise Randy was a darned good coach.

So far I don't know what to make of Scott Brooks

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Eddie Jordan was so damn good he ran Rutgers, his alma mater, right into ground. He was brutal coaching the Kings & 76ers and now is out of coaching altogether at the moment. Continuing give Jordan credit minimizes the contribution Gilbert Arenas made to the franchise, a guy Jordan didn't even want. Your love of Jordan is not just unfounded its makes no sense. Just like this thread.

This times infinity.

Eddie Jordan was a terrible coach. Arenas was basically James Harden, yet EJ averaged just 43 wins in his 3 peak years despite playing in an extremely weak conference and having two other All-Stars alongside Arenas.

nate, I love you ...

But .....

Bullshyt.

Eddie MADE THE PLAYOFFS WITH ARENAS INJURED!!!

Eddie ALSO coached the same players Flip did to MANY MORE WINS.

Eddie got the SHORT END OF THE STRAW WITH INJURIES AND MEETING LEBRON JAMES IN THE PLAYOFFS.

You're dead wrong about Eddie's peak years IMO.

You're right about Philly, the Kings, and (apparently) Rutgers ...

Dat2U wrote:

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Looking back at various Wizards coaches in the recent past, I would say that Eddie Jordan was a very bad defensive coach. However, he was an excellent locker room coach and he tended to win with very limited personnel. If Eddie were coaching this team, I believe they would be about 11 wins and seven losses instead of 6 and 12.

Flip Saunders inherited a roster that was totally incapable of what he thought he could do with it. Andray Blatche was no Kevin Garnett. As a coach Flip really wasn't very successful in DC.

Randy Wittman was an excellent interim coach. So much so that the Wizards did not hire Dave Joerger when they might have. They rewarded Wittman with the permanent coaching contract. (Peanuts compared to what EG gave Scott Brooks!). This turned out to be not the best move in my opinion. Wittman did not like to play the young guys at all. Player Development was severely stunted. Wall and Beal did not learn the best spacing concepts toward maximizing their efficiency on the floor. I thought otherwise Randy was a darned good coach.

So far I don't know what to make of Scott Brooks

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Eddie Jordan was so damn good he ran Rutgers, his alma mater, right into ground. He was brutal coaching the Kings & 76ers and now is out of coaching altogether at the moment. Continuing give Jordan credit minimizes the contribution Gilbert Arenas made to the franchise, a guy Jordan didn't even want. Your love of Jordan is not just unfounded its makes no sense. Just like this thread.

Eddie was not the dumb guy that Flip was. That gun gate debacle NEVER would have happened under EJ. THAT is what's wrecked this franchise.

The Wizards were BETTER under EJ than this current Wall iteration having been coached by Saunders, Wittman, and now Brooks.

Jordan WAS TERRIBLE with respect to not coaching good defense and for his HATRED (IMO) of Brendan Haywood. EVEN I GOT SICK OF EJ'S SMALL BALL.

However, that said Eddie Jordan was and is CLASS PERSONIFIED. Something the billionaire, the GM, and at least one past coach CLEARLY are not.

I will continue to champion Eddie Jordan.

Just like with Kirk Cousins and DeMarcus Cousins; I'm RIGHT ABOUT THIS.

That's all, folks.