Jan Vesely Receiving Interest From Nets, 76ers, Mavericks

[bsilver]

Despite his shot blocking, McGee was a very poor on the ball defender. He wasn't good enough to be a starting center. I liked him despite the craziness and happy he's thriving in GS where he can contribute.

[queridiculo]

McGee is playing little over 5 minutes a game in the finals.

I guess if you keep moving the bar lower and lower eventually you'll arrive at the conclusion that he's a serviceable player.

[dobrojim]

Sato speaks the same language. They know one another.

Too much like the Wizards to not see the opportunity to add a quality player off the bench. The guy plays hard.

Problem is a complete lack of basketball skills.

Running and jumping are nice things to be good at but are not enough.
You need to shoot, pass, catch and dribble the ball. Ves did none of those things well.
I suspect he is still woefully lacking in those skills today compared to a typical NBA player.

[tontoz]

Mcgee played about the same total minutes this season as Satoransky.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Hmm. After reading a few articles, I'm also reminded of how Vesely initially resisted the move from SF/PF to C (I'm not sure why anyone thought he could play SF at 7' with no handles and no J). If memory serves, his personal trainer made a few negative comments about how Jan was being miscast as a big. Of course, as others have said, he eventually put on enough weight and has since embraced the role in Europe.

Personally, I think he had potential as an SF. His J was bad, but not nonexistent as it is today. And he showed glimpses of lockdown perimeter D. At Partizan, he was a 7 footer who would guard opponent's most dangerous perimeter players and do well. All he had to do was learn to shoot corner 3 and you could have had Shane Battier type player IMO. I thought Wizards screwed him over bad honestly. Now he has abandoned all perimeter skills he had before the draft, dude is just a dunker now.

Years ago I said I thought Jan should be a small forward, the same position he was playing when they scouted him in Europe.



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

McGee is playing little over 5 minutes a game in the finals.

I guess if you keep moving the bar lower and lower eventually you'll arrive at the conclusion that he's a serviceable player.

You can just keep on hating.

In the very first round of the playoffs McGhee was dominating.

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[Kanyewest]

Mcgee played about the same total minutes this season as Satoransky.

McGee also got paid $2 million less than Sato.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sato speaks the same language. They know one another.

Too much like the Wizards to not see the opportunity to add a quality player off the bench. The guy plays hard.

Problem is a complete lack of basketball skills.

Running and jumping are nice things to be good at but are not enough.
You need to shoot, pass, catch and dribble the ball. Ves did none of those things well.
I suspect he is still woefully lacking in those skills today compared to a typical NBA player.

Yeah, but he can defend and dunk.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Mcgee played about the same total minutes this season as Satoransky.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgeeja01/gamelog/2017/

Playoff game logs...

Not once a minus w McGee playing.

Dominating numbers vs Portland and San Antonio. He's not needed vs Cleveland.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Haters gonna hate...

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[tontoz]

Most dominant players get more than 10 minutes per game.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Yeah, but he can defend and dunk.

Dunk? Sure. Defend at an NBA level? Yeah, I think that's been his problem for the entirety of his career. The only season where his team didn't force the opposition into a worse ortg when he was on the bench rather than when he was on the floor was 2010-11 as a Wizard, and that season was by a rather small difference. Literally every other season of his career, his opponents have scored more efficiently against his teams when he was on the floor rather than on the bench, and usually by pretty significant margins. McGee does some things that are particularly disruptive to offenses, overall, but that doesn't make him a good defender.

McGee has done pretty well for the Warriors as the official DAFUQ player on the roster that gets thrown out there and other teams have no idea how to respond to him because he's just so completely different from everything else the Warriors do, and I think he's done well to mature a bit over the past few seasons to the point where he's a utility big who can play spot minutes off the bench on competitive teams.

[closg00]

McGee is playing little over 5 minutes a game in the finals.

I guess if you keep moving the bar lower and lower eventually you'll arrive at the conclusion that he's a serviceable player.

GSW are quite pleased with what he offers.

[payitforward]

He needs to be in a bit roll to cover up his very low BBIQ. Jan did not have a low BBIQ he was just too raw and had no business being pushed that fast. He is not raw anymore and I think he is ready for another chance, I would love it to be here, its a good story. I also wouldn't mind seeing Shelvin mack or trevor booker make their way back to the team. I love redemption stories.

Agree totally!

In fact, letting Booker walk for no reason -- not giving him his qualifying offer while extending one to Kevin Seraphin! -- was one of Ernie's most obviously bad decisions.

As to Mack, first drafting him & then cutting him because "we don't have time to develop him" (was what the genius said)... smh. Another doofus decision.

[payitforward]

McGee is playing little over 5 minutes a game in the finals.

I guess if you keep moving the bar lower and lower eventually you'll arrive at the conclusion that he's a serviceable player.

GSW are quite pleased with what he offers.

JaVale was a lot better than a "serviceable player" for us. He was quite a good player. Plus, he got better year on year. His problem was being a goofball & being part of a core that had to be taken apart for reasons other than him.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't like him as our pick, & he had the most inflated idea imaginable of how good he was. & his mom was a problem....

But his play for GS this year, for example, doesn't reflect any lowering of the bar. He got a ton of boards, & he posted a .64 TS%.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Yeah, but he can defend and dunk.

Dunk? Sure. Defend at an NBA level? Yeah, I think that's been his problem for the entirety of his career. The only season where his team didn't force the opposition into a worse ortg when he was on the bench rather than when he was on the floor was 2010-11 as a Wizard, and that season was by a rather small difference. Literally every other season of his career, his opponents have scored more efficiently against his teams when he was on the floor rather than on the bench, and usually by pretty significant margins. McGee does some things that are particularly disruptive to offenses, overall, but that doesn't make him a good defender.

McGee has done pretty well for the Warriors as the official DAFUQ player on the roster that gets thrown out there and other teams have no idea how to respond to him because he's just so completely different from everything else the Warriors do, and I think he's done well to mature a bit over the past few seasons to the point where he's a utility big who can play spot minutes off the bench on competitive teams.

Vesely. Not McGee.

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[gambitx777]

He needs to be in a bit roll to cover up his very low BBIQ. Jan did not have a low BBIQ he was just too raw and had no business being pushed that fast. He is not raw anymore and I think he is ready for another chance, I would love it to be here, its a good story. I also wouldn't mind seeing Shelvin mack or trevor booker make their way back to the team. I love redemption stories.

Agree totally!

In fact, letting Booker walk for no reason -- not giving him his qualifying offer while extending one to Kevin Seraphin! -- was one of Ernie's most obviously bad decisions.

As to Mack, first drafting him & then cutting him because "we don't have time to develop him" (was what the genius said)... smh. Another doofus decision.

Yeah like booker and mac are the kind of players that would have seriously helped us in the play offs this year, we just needed quality bench players, guys who could hold their own on both ends, nothing wild or amazing just solid. Thats why I think jan deserves another shot.

[zardsfan]

Should we consider giving Jan Vesely another chance? Reminds me of something a female friend of mine once told me. I asked her, "Would you ever consider giving your x-boyfriend another chance?" Her reply was, "I never chew on the same turd twice?"

[montestewart]

Should we consider giving Jan Vesely another chance? Reminds me of something a female friend of mine once told me. I asked her, "Would you ever consider giving your x-boyfriend another chance?" Her reply was, "I never chew on the same turd twice?"

A good strategy would be not chewing on turds, but that's probably asking for too much.

[zero2hero]

Lot of revisionist history going on here it seems. Lets say best case scenario Vesely had all of his supposed skills: finishing at the rim, being athletic enough to defend multiple positions, passing ability, etc. The big problem, to me, was that he was just a very meek and timid player. He was essentially a broke-man's Kwame. Sure, maybe another stint in Europe made him regain his confidence - I don't want the Wizards to be the team that proves/disproves that. We've got enough question marks.