Sato at PG

[nate33]

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He can't play 48 minutes.

It's tough start him and still have him handle all of the backup guard minutes.

Frankly, if we're going to start him, we should start him at PG in place of Wall. Ariza and Porter are fine at forward.

Why does it matter if he starts? What's most significant is how many minutes he gets.

He got 21 minutes vs. Atlanta & 22 minutes vs. Houston. That's idiotic.

Agreed. I will say that it's rather difficult for a non-starter to get much more than 28-30 minutes, but there's no reason why he shouldn't be playing at least that much.

[nate33]

I had thought that Sato would be an unrestricted free agent this year because he wasn't signed as part of a normal rookie scale contract, but it turns out that his contract is structured similarly. This summer, he will be a restricted free agent with a qualifying offer of $3.9M. As long as we extend that offer, we will have the right to match any contract offer just like we would for any normal RFA coming off a rookie contract.

If we trade Wall, I think it's highly likely we will keep Sato. Sato probably hates it here and wants to go someplace else, but we can match the offer and force him to stay. My guess is that nobody offers him a huge deal because he doesn't score much. I could see someone extending a full MLE offer in the $8M range, but I'd gladly match that.

If we don't trade Wall (or Porter, or Beal, or Mahinmi), it will be hard to keep him, even at $8M. Wall, Porter, Beal, Mahinmi, Howard and Brown alone will cost $116M. Factor $3M for a rookie and $1M for each of 6 vet minimum free agents and we're $125M not counting Sato. The luxtax threshold is $132M

Seems like our ability to get under the tax this year is significant in this: if so, then maybe we can stand being over next year. If not... no way! We'd be repeaters this year & paying an enormous % penalties next year.

One other point: Sato has some leverage most guys in his position don't have, an alternative -- he was a star in Europe & can go back easily.

The other key is that the Wizards can stretch Mahinmi. I didn't like the idea last summer because it would have left us with 5 long years of phantom salary charges to the tune of $6.2M a year. But stretching him this summer would only result in 3 years of phantom salary charges at $5.1M a year.

I don't know if his European leverage will come into play. I expect Sato to get up near the full MLE, around $9M a year. Would he get anywhere near that much in Europe? I honestly don't know what good players get paid over there.

[dckingsfan]

So, calculating salaries in Europe is a bit different, usually the salaries are post-tax (because the team pays the taxes). But if you think of 3M€ post tax then say 6M€ would be a good salary for someone like Sato.

I would say $9M would be out of the range that European teams can pay. I would say $6M would be a stretch...

[dckingsfan]

...Seems like our ability to get under the tax this year is significant in this...

Still wrapping my head around this one - why? If we stay under the tax next year, doesn't that mitigate the payments?

I have us at $130,253,555 and the luxury tax is $123M, right? But next year we are at $116,416,976 and the projected luxury tax line is $129.2. That doesn't give us much leeway unless we trade one of Wall, Beal or Porter right?

Regardless, I think I am with PIF - time to blow this ship out of the water and start over.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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He can't play 48 minutes.

It's tough start him and still have him handle all of the backup guard minutes.

Frankly, if we're going to start him, we should start him at PG in place of Wall. Ariza and Porter are fine at forward.

That's a good idea.

Sato, Beal, Porter, Ariza, Bryant would be a SELFLESS team.

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[nate33]

...Seems like our ability to get under the tax this year is significant in this...

Still wrapping my head around this one - why? If we stay under the tax next year, doesn't that mitigate the payments?

I have us at $130,253,555 and the luxury tax is $123M, right? But next year we are at $116,416,976 and the projected luxury tax line is $129.2. That doesn't give us much leeway unless we trade one of Wall, Beal or Porter right?

Regardless, I think I am with PIF - time to blow this ship out of the water and start over.

Luxtax this year is $123M. Next year it's $132M. I think PIF's point was to get under the tax this year so that the repeater tax doesn't come into play next year.

[dckingsfan]

...Seems like our ability to get under the tax this year is significant in this...

Still wrapping my head around this one - why? If we stay under the tax next year, doesn't that mitigate the payments?

I have us at $130,253,555 and the luxury tax is $123M, right? But next year we are at $116,416,976 and the projected luxury tax line is $129.2. That doesn't give us much leeway unless we trade one of Wall, Beal or Porter right?

Regardless, I think I am with PIF - time to blow this ship out of the water and start over.

Luxtax this year is $123M. Next year it's $132M. I think PIF's point was to get under the tax this year so that the repeater tax doesn't come into play next year.

thanks for the clarification - couldn't we just stay under the cap next year?

[nate33]

Still wrapping my head around this one - why? If we stay under the tax next year, doesn't that mitigate the payments?

I have us at $130,253,555 and the luxury tax is $123M, right? But next year we are at $116,416,976 and the projected luxury tax line is $129.2. That doesn't give us much leeway unless we trade one of Wall, Beal or Porter right?

Regardless, I think I am with PIF - time to blow this ship out of the water and start over.

Luxtax this year is $123M. Next year it's $132M. I think PIF's point was to get under the tax this year so that the repeater tax doesn't come into play next year.

thanks for the clarification - couldn't we just stay under the cap next year?

Yes, but it'll probably require stretching Mahinmi. If we could get out of the luxtax this year, (perhaps by trading Ariza and Morris for expiring contracts 67% as expensive,) then there would no longer be an urgency to stretch Mahinmi next year. We could just exceed the luxtax by a few million if necessary, and then at least we'd be done with Mahinmi.

[I_Like_Dirt]

That's sort of the point, though, nate. Everything being done largely has an eye on financials. A team struggling for the 8th seed with lots of aging players that won't strip things down is foregoing attempting to improve in favor of financial manoevering for another couple seasons. That's what the Grunfeld treadmill looks like.

[Kanyewest]

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He can't play 48 minutes.

It's tough start him and still have him handle all of the backup guard minutes.

Frankly, if we're going to start him, we should start him at PG in place of Wall. Ariza and Porter are fine at forward.

That's a good idea.

Sato, Beal, Porter, Ariza, Bryant would be a SELFLESS team.

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Probably have to trade Wall first.

[truwizfan4evr]

wouldn't it be nice if sato started at pg And we bring Wall off the bench? we would be a lot better team, John has one of the biggest egos in the entire nba.

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he can do many things. the assist was fantastic.

[Wizardspride]

wouldn't it be nice if sato started at pg And we bring Wall off the bench? we would be a lot better team, John has one of the biggest egos in the entire nba.

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[Rafael122]

They traded Oubre knowing they probably weren't paying him, and they got Brown on a rookie contract, so what makes us believe they'll pay for Satoransky? Look, I'm all for keeping him. Clearly he's a player but if some team comes up and offers a first round pick for him, I think you bite.

[FAH1223]

They traded Oubre knowing they probably weren't paying him, and they got Brown on a rookie contract, so what makes us believe they'll pay for Satoransky? Look, I'm all for keeping him. Clearly he's a player but if some team comes up and offers a first round pick for him, I think you bite.

Satoransky is a RFA.

And you can't field a roster with only Wall/Beal/Otto/Brown/Howard (assuming Mahinmi is stretched).

Sato is a keeper. Any competent front office would keep him. And he is a better basketball player than Oubre.

[Rafael122]

They traded Oubre knowing they probably weren't paying him, and they got Brown on a rookie contract, so what makes us believe they'll pay for Satoransky? Look, I'm all for keeping him. Clearly he's a player but if some team comes up and offers a first round pick for him, I think you bite.

Satoransky is a RFA.

And you can't field a roster with only Wall/Beal/Otto/Brown/Howard (assuming Mahinmi is stretched).

Sato is a keeper. Any competent front office would keep him. And he is a better basketball player than Oubre.

All RFA means is the team can match the offer. Our books are terrible, all it takes is one team to front load or make it a way where his first year salary is like $6 million but then jumps to $15 million. Similar to Tyler Johnson's contract. If Satoransky had the playing time he's had this year his entire tenure here, he probably would have been open to a contract extension. Now I'm not so sure. He's never going to get 30 minutes as long as Wall is here.

[FAH1223]

They traded Oubre knowing they probably weren't paying him, and they got Brown on a rookie contract, so what makes us believe they'll pay for Satoransky? Look, I'm all for keeping him. Clearly he's a player but if some team comes up and offers a first round pick for him, I think you bite.

Satoransky is a RFA.

And you can't field a roster with only Wall/Beal/Otto/Brown/Howard (assuming Mahinmi is stretched).

Sato is a keeper. Any competent front office would keep him. And he is a better basketball player than Oubre.

All RFA means is the team can match the offer. Our books are terrible, all it takes is one team to front load or make it a way where his first year salary is like $6 million but then jumps to $15 million. Similar to Tyler Johnson's contract. If Satoransky had the playing time he's had this year his entire tenure here, he probably would have been open to a contract extension. Now I'm not so sure. He's never going to get 30 minutes as long as Wall is here.

That's making a big assumption. Not as many teams will have cap room after the big wave of FA is over to do that. This won't be a 2016 or 2017 shid show this summer.

And the Wiz should match offers. Sato isn't going to be getting more than the MLE at his ceiling and his floor will be the qualifying offer. Shaun Livingston's contracts of late are what I'd be giving to him.

And with the Wizards lack of wings, he will have minutes at SF which he has embraced this year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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he can do many things. the assist was fantastic.

I started this thread with thoughts that Brooks should be playing this guy.

Great to see he finally is.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think in reality Satoransky will end up like Pecherov and Vesely. He's going to be frustrated in the NBA and will go back overseas for good.

That from October 17, 2017.

I'm glad that circumstances forced Scott Brooks to start Satoransky. The Wizards will win just as many or more games than if Wall were healthy.