NatP4 wrote:payitforward wrote:WallToWall wrote:I actually am quite fine with this pick. 2nd round picks are where you roll the dice.... Given 3 years... he could turn into something good. ...We will be looking at this pick in a different light, if so.
Ummm, Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, Will Barton, Khris Middleton, Kyle O'Quinn, Jeff Taylor, Quincy Acy, Alan Crabbe, Alex Abrines, Mike Muscala, James Ennis, Joe Harris, Cleanthony Early, Johnny O'Bryant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson, Nikola Jokic, Dwight Powell, Jordan Clarkson...
Gotta stop -- that's out of 2 drafts.
We took Tomas Satoransky & waited four years, while Crowder, Green, Barton, Middleton & O'Quinn produced for their teams in the NBA.
Definitely don't want to take a play-now type like Nikola Jokic: you might peak too early.
& in this draft, I certainly wouldn't want to be stuck with Hamidou Diallo, De'Anthony Melton, Keita Bates-Diop, Metu, Johnson, Hall, Carr, Milton or Spalding when instead Sanon "given 3 years... could turn into something good."
Of course, he could also NOT turn into something good. & so could those other guys. For a team like ours with a plethora of cheap talent & no cap, tax or similar problems, there would be no reason to care, am I right? We have nothing to worry about.
Jeff Taylor? Lol. He’s not even in the NBA. Jordan Clarkson? He’s about to be out of the NBA. Cleanthony early? What? Quincy Acy????
This argument just never makes sense to me. Will Barton wasn’t a solid NBA player until his 4th NBA season, Draymond Green had two throwaway seasons. Also took Jae Crowder 4 seasons to become a valuable contributor. Abrines,Muscala, and Crabbe are all terrible. Did you seriously list Johnny O’Bryant? Dinwiddie only now just became a solid player in year 4.
By PIF logic, Sanon could turn into Manu Ginobili pt 2, but if he stays in Europe for 2 full seasons while Deanthony Melton shoots 30% and splits time between the g league/NBA, it’s a bad pick.
Actually, in principle I don't mind this pick, & I'm looking forward to seeing this kid in SL. At the same time, this team right now is extremely low on bargain talent -- which is best found in the draft.
Thus, a week or so ago, i.e. back when you were using your common sense a little more regularly, you wanted multiple players out of R2, & you also wanted a number of guys who turned out to be available as undrafted FAs.
You were right to want to go in that direction. & in that case -- if we'd managed to get a guy like Clark, a guy like Alkins, a guy like McCoy undrafted, & if we'd managed either to buy or trade for at least 1 more R2 pick & wound up w/ a guy like Bates-Diop or Metu or Melton or more than one, then of course there's every good reason to also pick Iussif Sanon who is clearly a young kid w/ a ton of promise.
As to this point, & the draft overall, I'd say
https://www.bulletsforever.com/2018/6/25/17495858/2018-nba-draft-washington-wizards-upside-troy-brown-issuf-sanon is right on target:
"The Washington Wizards, this year’s eighth seed in the Eastern Conference, maneuvered the 2018 NBA draft with an arrogance that should only be reserved for the best teams in the league.... If any team is in need of inexpensive labor, it’s the Wizards. They are operating above the tax line and John Wall’s max extension hasn’t even kicked in yet.
What makes the strategy even worse is the Wizards’ young talent pool is nearly dry after not making a pick in 2016 or 2017. Washington will likely only have two players from the last five drafts in training camp (Brown and Kelly Oubre Jr.). That means they’ll need to go back to the same rinse-and-repeat plan of signing low-cost veterans to fill out their playing rotation.
The Wizards have constantly underrated the ability of young players to help right away, and it has cost them dearly. Just look back at what he said on draft night in 2009, a day after he traded the fifth overall pick for Mike Miller and Randy Foye:
We wouldn’t have done anything different at all. The only player I would’ve been upset if he slipped to five, would’ve been Blake Griffin. But he did go number one,” Grunfeld said. “Ricky Rubio, Tyreke Evans, James Harden, we like all of those players, and I think everybody else did. But if we had a choice to get Miller and Foye for any of those players, it wouldn’t have been a question whether we do it or not.
"Washington had a chance to remedy the mistakes of the past in this year’s draft, especially after watching so many rookies prove their worth on the playoff stage this season. Jayson Tatum, Ben Simmons, and Donovan Mitchell all played vital roles on teams that won playoff series. Players taken outside of the lottery like OG Anunoby and Jordan Bell helped their team’s causes as well, and now they’ll get to grow into even more valuable pieces in the future.
"By contrast, the Wizards keep going back to the plan with the same pitfalls. The upside of targeting low-cost veterans is finding a guy like Mike Scott, a quality player who may have played himself out of Washington’s price range this summer. The downside is finding players like Eric Maynor, Tim Frazier, Gary Neal, Marcus Thornton, Jodie Meeks, Al Harrington, and Alan Anderson, who played themselves right out of the league.
"This year, established players who could have helped right away were available in the first round (Donte DiVincenzo, Zhaire Smith, Robert Williams) and the second round (Keita Bates-Diop). But once again, the Wizards operated like a team living off non-accomplishments from prior years with an overinflated sense of worth...."
