cammac wrote:nate33 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:Yes, absolutely. There is no question that the Russians tried and did influence the election. Until we know the who, what, when, where and how of their methods and how to curtail that behavior in the future - we should keep digging.
There really isn't much evidence of this. The Russians certainly meddled in the election to sow chaos, but there really isn't any evidence that they picked sides in the election, or that the influence had any tangible outcome. Their influence on the election was negligible, and certainly no more than the influence of other countries like Mexico, Israel, Great Britain, and Ukraine.
Please try and be honest about this. If the Deep State looks hard enough, they can find circumstantial evidence of "collusion" like this in any campaign. And if they have the ability to use the full power of the NSA without rigorous oversight, it essentially ends our democracy.
The Deep State investigation included underhanded, intentionally dishonest, and perhaps illegal techniques coupled with deliberate leaking in an effort to undermine the President. Anyone in the left would be going ballistic if this happened to Obama. Indeed, it never would have happened because the media would not have been so complicit in the leaking if it was anti-Obama leaks. Instead, they would have asked questions about how this information was obtained.
The reality is that Trump has caused most of the problems for himself! While most people inside ( note Trump didn't get the majority of the vote )and outside of the USA accepted that Trump won the election. There has never been such a bad winner in the history of America than Donald Trump. Obama I'm sure wasn't happy that he won but gave Trump sage advice to steer clear of General Michael Flynn' Did he take his advice "Hell No" then the controversy about the size of the inauguration crowd. Then he could be gracious in victory keeping the dialogue about Hillary Clinton alive to this date. Then his made up conspiracy of millions of illegal voters and the firing of General Michael Flynn. (should have taken Obama's advice)
Then basically his are you on my team or not with Comey and asking him to drop the case of Flynn which ended up in him firing Comey. Which ended up in getting Mueller as a Special Prosecutor who is a bulldog.
You can start adding the drip, drip, drip of guilty pleas of Flynn, Papadopoulos and likely Gates. Plus indictments against Paul Manafort and smoking guns against many others in the administration including Kushner and while not in the Administration Donald Jr. You have absolutely no idea nor do I how much Mueller and his team knows and how many other Grand Jury Indictment he has now or on the books.
Most of this would never have happened if he was a gracious winner and had listened to Obama. Do you not think Obama could not went after the Bush Administration he choose to run the country not his mouth.
Sorry, but this whole post is ridiculous. Because Trump is an obnoxious blowhard, he deserves to be illegally investigated by the Deep State?
And Flynn was indicted for a process crime (telling two conflicting stories) with no real underlying crime (the Logan Act, LOL). He was ambushed by FBI agents and asked questions, without a lawyer, which were tested against what he had said in a wiretapped conversation. Trump is right. Flynn should be let go. Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin actually broke laws regarding handling classified documents and got off Scott free. The only reason Flynn was indicted was to try and blackmail him in an effort to get to Trump. Again, you guys would be going absolutely apesh*t if this type of crap was happening to Obama.
And Trump fired Comey because he did a real lousy job. He exonerated Hillary Clinton when she clearly committed crimes, and now we know that he oversaw negligent if not criminal violations of procedure in the FBI's attempt to get a FISA warrant by deceptive means.
Papadoplous, like Flynn was also indicted on a process crime. There was no underlying crime with him either. And Manafort is being tried for things he did long before he had anything to do with the Trump campaign. You are so blindly partisan that you can't see that this is a railroad job by the Deep State to get Trump. AFTER 15 MONTHS OF INVESTIGATION THERE STILL ISN'T PROOF OF ANY UNDERLYING CRIME, BY ANYONE!
And to imply that this is all because he wasn't listening to Obama is absurd. Obama, or at least his Administration, engineered all of this. They got the FISA warrants. They unmasked those who were surveilled. They disseminated that classified information to dozens of people throughout multiple branches of the government, and then had the information leaked to undermine Trump.
