Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:16 pm
Lol Nate. Complete and utter delusion
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nate33 wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:montestewart wrote:He's been writing against Obama since his election. I was quickly able to find an article of his condemning Obama on this issue from March of last year, and it looks like he has been doing so the entire time. So when was he defending Obama?
, I’m with you 100% on this. I cannot believe my eyes when I read the posts multiple people who are flat out burying their heads in the sand on this. I mean it’s like we have flat earthers here of the FISA courts system. They just don’t want to believe what is clear as daylight and right in front of them.
At this point it’s just made it impossible to converse with these posters So I am strictly conversing with Nate and whichever conservatives pop up from time to time or the liberals that might have an open mind about actual evidence that is right in front of them. So maybe DCkings falls into that category . I actually do wish there was a reverse blocking function to where I could block each every liberal on here from even reading my posts at this point. I do not want to interact with you guys at all in anyway shape or form those of you who have not blocked me please do at this point. I will be blocking each and everyone of you over the next couple of days. I’ve come to understand that there just is no ground to cover here between us. at all. So there is no point in subjecting you guys to my posts nor me to yours.
there is no greater issue in politics at all right now other than the 2016 complete subversion and perversion of our legal and justice system while obtaining these fisa warrants. The surveillance that resulted because of these warrants, and most importantly the attempted subversion and perversion of our election cycle by a political opponent using the existing politicallly appointed justice system.
All of which has resulted in what is nothing more than an attempted coup of our duly elected president of United States.
The fact that the media has been complicit in all of this that the mainstream liberal media has been fully complicit in all of this is almost as disgusting.
There is no greater issue. Nothing else matters until this is solved.
I do not understand how anybody could be concerned about anything else. Other than the military, the entire government should be completely frozen and every single asset of the United States government should be used to completely unravel this entire folly of an election cycle. and I don’t care who’s wrong nor who did what. if Trump colluded I’m ready for a perp walk. but it’s becoming very very very clear that he did not. And everything else it was just a set up by a political opponent.
Shame on them. shame on all of them. and shame on anybody who doesn’t think this is important. Shame on any American thinks this is how you win elections. that any of this is OK. There is no need at all for me to converse with anyone on any level that thinks that any of that is OK. I don’t care to know you in anyway shape or form.
Basically, we no longer have a functional government in the United States. The left never stopped to consider why they lost the election and maybe examine the portions of their platform that alienates so much of America. The democrats are a minority in both houses, in most state legislatures, and the presidency, but they still believe they're in charge and have the moral authority to dictate how things are run. Trump is Literally Hitler. Republicans are evil. Any and every method must be used to stop them. Rules don't matter. Reason doesn't matter. Punch a Nazi!
It's obvious to me that even if it's proven beyond any doubt that the FISA warrant could not have been obtained without the deliberate misrepresentation of a completely unsubstantiated document, they won't care. It doesn't matter what rules are broken because Trump must be destroyed. I don't think they're even bothered by the assassination attempt on a Republican Congressman. They're not bothered that white powder was sent to Donnie Jr.'s wife today. Trump Tower is routinely vandalized. Trump supporters were assaulted violently dozens of times during the campaign. Project Veritas confirmed that this type of activity was organized by operatives supporting Clinton. They don't care.
The news media has gone from heavily slanted left to an absolute propaganda machine for the Democrat party. Every rumor of wrongdoing by Trump is inflated, exaggerated, and assumed to be true. Actual wrongdoing by those against Trump is ignored, hidden or justified. Russia leaking information to Clinton cronies about Trump is believed to be true and justification to impeach Trump. Russia leaking information to Trump cronies about Clinton is clearly treason and justification to impeach Trump. The media was blatantly used by Clinton, Steele and the Deep State to broadcast unproven rumors about nefarious Trump behavior to gin up a special prosecutor. Now that the media knows they were used, they're not even upset about it. It was all for a good cause - the destruction of Orange Hitler!
Wizardspride wrote:This is only an 8 second snippet so MAYBE it's taken out of context ...but on first glance...
Doug_Blew wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:montestewart wrote:He's been writing against Obama since his election. I was quickly able to find an article of his condemning Obama on this issue from March of last year, and it looks like he has been doing so the entire time. So when was he defending Obama?
, I’m with you 100% on this. I cannot believe my eyes when I read the posts multiple people who are flat out burying their heads in the sand on this. I mean it’s like we have flat earthers here of the FISA courts system. They just don’t want to believe what is clear as daylight and right in front of them.
At this point it’s just made it impossible to converse with these posters So I am strictly conversing with Nate and whichever conservatives pop up from time to time or the liberals that might have an open mind about actual evidence that is right in front of them. So maybe DCkings falls into that category . I actually do wish there was a reverse blocking function to where I could block each every liberal on here from even reading my posts at this point. I do not want to interact with you guys at all in anyway shape or form those of you who have not blocked me please do at this point. I will be blocking each and everyone of you over the next couple of days. I’ve come to understand that there just is no ground to cover here between us. at all. So there is no point in subjecting you guys to my posts nor me to yours.
there is no greater issue in politics at all right now other than the 2016 complete subversion and perversion of our legal and justice system while obtaining these fisa warrants. The surveillance that resulted because of these warrants, and most importantly the attempted subversion and perversion of our election cycle by a political opponent using the existing politicallly appointed justice system.
All of which has resulted in what is nothing more than an attempted coup of our duly elected president of United States.
The fact that the media has been complicit in all of this that the mainstream liberal media has been fully complicit in all of this is almost as disgusting.
There is no greater issue. Nothing else matters until this is solved.
I do not understand how anybody could be concerned about anything else. Other than the military, the entire government should be completely frozen and every single asset of the United States government should be used to completely unravel this entire folly of an election cycle. and I don’t care who’s wrong nor who did what. if Trump colluded I’m ready for a perp walk. but it’s becoming very very very clear that he did not. And everything else it was just a set up by a political opponent.
Shame on them. shame on all of them. and shame on anybody who doesn’t think this is important. Shame on any American thinks this is how you win elections. that any of this is OK. There is no need at all for me to converse with anyone on any level that thinks that any of that is OK. I don’t care to know you in anyway shape or form.
This is a HOF post right here. Very enjoyable read!
closg00 wrote:Doug_Blew wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:
, I’m with you 100% on this. I cannot believe my eyes when I read the posts multiple people who are flat out burying their heads in the sand on this. I mean it’s like we have flat earthers here of the FISA courts system. They just don’t want to believe what is clear as daylight and right in front of them.
At this point it’s just made it impossible to converse with these posters So I am strictly conversing with Nate and whichever conservatives pop up from time to time or the liberals that might have an open mind about actual evidence that is right in front of them. So maybe DCkings falls into that category . I actually do wish there was a reverse blocking function to where I could block each every liberal on here from even reading my posts at this point. I do not want to interact with you guys at all in anyway shape or form those of you who have not blocked me please do at this point. I will be blocking each and everyone of you over the next couple of days. I’ve come to understand that there just is no ground to cover here between us. at all. So there is no point in subjecting you guys to my posts nor me to yours.
there is no greater issue in politics at all right now other than the 2016 complete subversion and perversion of our legal and justice system while obtaining these fisa warrants. The surveillance that resulted because of these warrants, and most importantly the attempted subversion and perversion of our election cycle by a political opponent using the existing politicallly appointed justice system.
All of which has resulted in what is nothing more than an attempted coup of our duly elected president of United States.
The fact that the media has been complicit in all of this that the mainstream liberal media has been fully complicit in all of this is almost as disgusting.
There is no greater issue. Nothing else matters until this is solved.
I do not understand how anybody could be concerned about anything else. Other than the military, the entire government should be completely frozen and every single asset of the United States government should be used to completely unravel this entire folly of an election cycle. and I don’t care who’s wrong nor who did what. if Trump colluded I’m ready for a perp walk. but it’s becoming very very very clear that he did not. And everything else it was just a set up by a political opponent.
Shame on them. shame on all of them. and shame on anybody who doesn’t think this is important. Shame on any American thinks this is how you win elections. that any of this is OK. There is no need at all for me to converse with anyone on any level that thinks that any of that is OK. I don’t care to know you in anyway shape or form.
This is a HOF post right here. Very enjoyable read!
HOF post, no-doubt. Let's dust this post off in the future when Mueller is done.
nate33 wrote:Read this if you care whatsoever about the rule of law and how the process was abused in the FISA warrant process. This is the biggest scandal of our time. It is easily worse than Watergate. And Andrew McCarthy is no hack. He is a former U.S. Attorney. He was actually defending the Obama Administration when this scandal was first coming out.
Wizardspride wrote:This is only an 8 second snippet so MAYBE it's taken out of context ...but on first glance...
Zonkerbl wrote:Pointgod wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:Isn’t the mob kinda legal in Russia? How is that money laundering? They don’t sell drugs, they just run the place.
Last I checked the mob isn’t legal in the US and if Trump is laundering money from the ill gotten gains of the Russian mob that is illegal for a myriad of reasons.
That doesn't make any sense. There is no US mob in Russia and therefore no law to break. Only money laundering, but laundering of what? The Russian mob makes money from oil and natural gas, not drugs.
doclinkin wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:Pointgod wrote:
Last I checked the mob isn’t legal in the US and if Trump is laundering money from the ill gotten gains of the Russian mob that is illegal for a myriad of reasons.
That doesn't make any sense. There is no US mob in Russia and therefore no law to break. Only money laundering, but laundering of what? The Russian mob makes money from oil and natural gas, not drugs.
Extortion, strong-arming people out of real estate to buy on the cheap, arms sales, human trafficking, cyber crime, mass identity theft, yes drugs, gambling, blackmail, etc. But how they launder money in New York is thru real estate. After Japan's economy was shaken up in the 80's there were basically two main sources of investment in New York Real Estate in the 90's and 00's: China and the Russian Mafia.
Pointgod wrote:nate33 wrote:Read this if you care whatsoever about the rule of law and how the process was abused in the FISA warrant process. This is the biggest scandal of our time. It is easily worse than Watergate. And Andrew McCarthy is no hack. He is a former U.S. Attorney. He was actually defending the Obama Administration when this scandal was first coming out.
Lol this is the same right wing drivel that's been trotted out since the Dumbass Devin's memo landed with a flop. Again answer me this Nate, was the dossier the only information that was used to obtain the Fisa warrant? That's the only way this argument holds up. This whole thing has been thoroughly debunked.
https://qz.com/1197014/all-the-holes-in-the-nunes-memo-about-the-trump-dossier/
stilldropin20 wrote:nate33 wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:
, I’m with you 100% on this. I cannot believe my eyes when I read the posts multiple people who are flat out burying their heads in the sand on this. I mean it’s like we have flat earthers here of the FISA courts system. They just don’t want to believe what is clear as daylight and right in front of them.
At this point it’s just made it impossible to converse with these posters So I am strictly conversing with Nate and whichever conservatives pop up from time to time or the liberals that might have an open mind about actual evidence that is right in front of them. So maybe DCkings falls into that category . I actually do wish there was a reverse blocking function to where I could block each every liberal on here from even reading my posts at this point. I do not want to interact with you guys at all in anyway shape or form those of you who have not blocked me please do at this point. I will be blocking each and everyone of you over the next couple of days. I’ve come to understand that there just is no ground to cover here between us. at all. So there is no point in subjecting you guys to my posts nor me to yours.
there is no greater issue in politics at all right now other than the 2016 complete subversion and perversion of our legal and justice system while obtaining these fisa warrants. The surveillance that resulted because of these warrants, and most importantly the attempted subversion and perversion of our election cycle by a political opponent using the existing politicallly appointed justice system.
All of which has resulted in what is nothing more than an attempted coup of our duly elected president of United States.
The fact that the media has been complicit in all of this that the mainstream liberal media has been fully complicit in all of this is almost as disgusting.
There is no greater issue. Nothing else matters until this is solved.
I do not understand how anybody could be concerned about anything else. Other than the military, the entire government should be completely frozen and every single asset of the United States government should be used to completely unravel this entire folly of an election cycle. and I don’t care who’s wrong nor who did what. if Trump colluded I’m ready for a perp walk. but it’s becoming very very very clear that he did not. And everything else it was just a set up by a political opponent.
Shame on them. shame on all of them. and shame on anybody who doesn’t think this is important. Shame on any American thinks this is how you win elections. that any of this is OK. There is no need at all for me to converse with anyone on any level that thinks that any of that is OK. I don’t care to know you in anyway shape or form.
Basically, we no longer have a functional government in the United States. The left never stopped to consider why they lost the election and maybe examine the portions of their platform that alienates so much of America. The democrats are a minority in both houses, in most state legislatures, and the presidency, but they still believe they're in charge and have the moral authority to dictate how things are run. Trump is Literally Hitler. Republicans are evil. Any and every method must be used to stop them. Rules don't matter. Reason doesn't matter. Punch a Nazi!
It's obvious to me that even if it's proven beyond any doubt that the FISA warrant could not have been obtained without the deliberate misrepresentation of a completely unsubstantiated document, they won't care. It doesn't matter what rules are broken because Trump must be destroyed. I don't think they're even bothered by the assassination attempt on a Republican Congressman. They're not bothered that white powder was sent to Donnie Jr.'s wife today. Trump Tower is routinely vandalized. Trump supporters were assaulted violently dozens of times during the campaign. Project Veritas confirmed that this type of activity was organized by operatives supporting Clinton. They don't care.
The news media has gone from heavily slanted left to an absolute propaganda machine for the Democrat party. Every rumor of wrongdoing by Trump is inflated, exaggerated, and assumed to be true. Actual wrongdoing by those against Trump is ignored, hidden or justified. Russia leaking information to Clinton cronies about Trump is believed to be true and justification to impeach Trump. Russia leaking information to Trump cronies about Clinton is clearly treason and justification to impeach Trump. The media was blatantly used by Clinton, Steele and the Deep State to broadcast unproven rumors about nefarious Trump behavior to gin up a special prosecutor. Now that the media knows they were used, they're not even upset about it. It was all for a good cause - the destruction of Orange Hitler!
This. 1000 times this. I just don’t understand the world we live in where liberals think the stuff is OK on any level. That what liberals do it this time around conservatives can do the next time around.
Innoway it seems like the Liberals have gone completely mad.Destroying universities because some conservative individual wanted to speak there for an hour. That’s etc. etc. etc. The rules and laws just don’t matter so long as they win.
And by win, they just want to Remain in power so as to borrow into oblivion And in many cases for social platforms for people that are not even American citizens. Yet. Not even here yet. And the weird thing ...the really really really weird thing is that it’s only when I travel abroad or live abroad do I still see extreme forms of racism I mean out right for fledged racism I see it in Dominican republic I see it in Mexico I see it in Eastern Europe And big time in the Middle East. And it’s the liberals that want to taking immigrants or refugees from these places. And want to borrow into a Bolivian to support those kind of policies . Because it’s just votes for them it’s just a means to stay in power and at this point the means justify the ends no matter the destruction that occurs along the way.
Crazy ass world we live in where “Americans “ support that crap. Wow.
doclinkin wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:nate33 wrote:Basically, we no longer have a functional government in the United States. The left never stopped to consider why they lost the election and maybe examine the portions of their platform that alienates so much of America. The democrats are a minority in both houses, in most state legislatures, and the presidency, but they still believe they're in charge and have the moral authority to dictate how things are run. Trump is Literally Hitler. Republicans are evil. Any and every method must be used to stop them. Rules don't matter. Reason doesn't matter. Punch a Nazi!
It's obvious to me that even if it's proven beyond any doubt that the FISA warrant could not have been obtained without the deliberate misrepresentation of a completely unsubstantiated document, they won't care. It doesn't matter what rules are broken because Trump must be destroyed. I don't think they're even bothered by the assassination attempt on a Republican Congressman. They're not bothered that white powder was sent to Donnie Jr.'s wife today. Trump Tower is routinely vandalized. Trump supporters were assaulted violently dozens of times during the campaign. Project Veritas confirmed that this type of activity was organized by operatives supporting Clinton. They don't care.
The news media has gone from heavily slanted left to an absolute propaganda machine for the Democrat party. Every rumor of wrongdoing by Trump is inflated, exaggerated, and assumed to be true. Actual wrongdoing by those against Trump is ignored, hidden or justified. Russia leaking information to Clinton cronies about Trump is believed to be true and justification to impeach Trump. Russia leaking information to Trump cronies about Clinton is clearly treason and justification to impeach Trump. The media was blatantly used by Clinton, Steele and the Deep State to broadcast unproven rumors about nefarious Trump behavior to gin up a special prosecutor. Now that the media knows they were used, they're not even upset about it. It was all for a good cause - the destruction of Orange Hitler!
This. 1000 times this. I just don’t understand the world we live in where liberals think the stuff is OK on any level. That what liberals do it this time around conservatives can do the next time around.
Innoway it seems like the Liberals have gone completely mad.Destroying universities because some conservative individual wanted to speak there for an hour. That’s etc. etc. etc. The rules and laws just don’t matter so long as they win.
And by win, they just want to Remain in power so as to borrow into oblivion And in many cases for social platforms for people that are not even American citizens. Yet. Not even here yet. And the weird thing ...the really really really weird thing is that it’s only when I travel abroad or live abroad do I still see extreme forms of racism I mean out right for fledged racism I see it in Dominican republic I see it in Mexico I see it in Eastern Europe And big time in the Middle East. And it’s the liberals that want to taking immigrants or refugees from these places. And want to borrow into a Bolivian to support those kind of policies . Because it’s just votes for them it’s just a means to stay in power and at this point the means justify the ends no matter the destruction that occurs along the way.
Crazy ass world we live in where “Americans “ support that crap. Wow.
This is what bugs me about all of this. That the divide between reasonable people in this country (my man SD20 excluded of course he knows he is throwing bombs and just loves to cause bunched panties by the benchload) the divide is so stark and fiercely delineated, that we are at a Hatfield and McCoy level of blood feud and have been since George W Bush v. Al Gore. There is no room for compromise as each side feels righteous moral rage at positions held by the other. Nate cites republican majorities in politics after gerrymandering as if it were manifest destiny. But Hillary won the popular vote. As did Al Gore. The fact that the outcome is so close in each of these changeovers ought to mean we look more carefully for common ground.
We joke about secession in a thread like this, but the fact that we are paralyzed to conduct the business of governance is no joke. That seems calculated. And that is the danger of allowing Russia in particular but even non state entities like I don't care 4chan or even powerful monied interests (media corporations, Koch brothers and other billionaires, whatever) to get loose to play with the toolbox of our governance: democracy.
We all pretty much like the concepts of a Republic (that we are a Union of states, and that each local people knows their region best and ought to have a real say on what matters for that regional subdivision), and also we all believe in Democracy: that each individual person ought to have a say in the direction of our country. We can differ in how we get there. But it should not get to the level of calling each other evil. And you should question whatever source you read if it makes you think that way about the opposition.
Now, I hate Trump with a violent passion, but I have hated him long before he landed in politics. I was in New York in the 80's and 90's, I saw the rent riots and heard anecdotally about his strongarm tactics to clear out his daddies buildings and knew of girls actors and model types who he groped and cornered at coke fueled parties. Even those who support him know he's a bloviating amoral egotist who was born a spoiled rich kid and has been bailed out a ridiculous number of times by borrowing from whomever would lend it to him.
Still it is maybe admirable that his powerful egotism has allowed him to brand himself a winner and by obdurate will to make it so. That sort of self faith is one of the drivers of this country and is why his immigrant ancestors were able to make that massive fortune. They left Germany and bet on themselves to make it here in America.
But damn is he a divisive figure. And damn are we divided. IF there WERE a candidate whose presidency were sure to be a shaped charge to blow apart our ability to make decisions and function as a country, I can't imagine a candidate more effective at doing so than Donald Trump.
I think rather than get stuck in the weeds of wherever this Mueller thing is going (follow the money, I think some dirty things will show if ever Trumps tax returns are released, but I also think you have to know he has hidden his tracks well there, hired the best money weasels he could find) I think it is more important for us to think about where we want our country to go. How do we get there. What are we afraid of. How can we work on those fears or buy them off. because the way we are headed is dangerous and it seems to me there are powerful outside interests who are enjoying the helloutta our flailing and failures. Russia is one, but there are many others who like to see the powerful fall without really foreseeing the consequences of what happens after that.
doclinkin wrote:Spoiler:
This is what bugs me about all of this. That the divide between reasonable people in this country (my man SD20 excluded of course he knows he is throwing bombs and just loves to cause bunched panties by the benchload) the divide is so stark and fiercely delineated, that we are at a Hatfield and McCoy level of blood feud and have been since George W Bush v. Al Gore. There is no room for compromise as each side feels righteous moral rage at positions held by the other. Nate cites republican majorities in politics after gerrymandering as if it were manifest destiny. But Hillary won the popular vote. As did Al Gore. The fact that the outcome is so close in each of these changeovers ought to mean we look more carefully for common ground.
We joke about secession in a thread like this, but the fact that we are paralyzed to conduct the business of governance is no joke. That seems calculated. And that is the danger of allowing Russia in particular but even non state entities like I don't care 4chan or even powerful monied interests (media corporations, Koch brothers and other billionaires, whatever) to get loose to play with the toolbox of our governance: democracy.
We all pretty much like the concepts of a Republic (that we are a Union of states, and that each local people knows their region best and ought to have a real say on what matters for that regional subdivision), and also we all believe in Democracy: that each individual person ought to have a say in the direction of our country. We can differ in how we get there. But it should not get to the level of calling each other evil. And you should question whatever source you read if it makes you think that way about the opposition.
Now, I hate Trump with a violent passion, but I have hated him long before he landed in politics. I was in New York in the 80's and 90's, I saw the rent riots and heard anecdotally about his strongarm tactics to clear out his daddies buildings and knew of girls actors and model types who he groped and cornered at coke fueled parties. Even those who support him know he's a bloviating amoral egotist who was born a spoiled rich kid and has been bailed out a ridiculous number of times by borrowing from whomever would lend it to him.
Still it is maybe admirable that his powerful egotism has allowed him to brand himself a winner and by obdurate will to make it so. That sort of self faith is one of the drivers of this country and is why his immigrant ancestors were able to make that massive fortune. They left Germany and bet on themselves to make it here in America.
But damn is he a divisive figure. And damn are we divided. IF there WERE a candidate whose presidency were sure to be a shaped charge to blow apart our ability to make decisions and function as a country, I can't imagine a candidate more effective at doing so than Donald Trump.
I think rather than get stuck in the weeds of wherever this Mueller thing is going (follow the money, I think some dirty things will show if ever Trumps tax returns are released, but I also think you have to know he has hidden his tracks well there, hired the best money weasels he could find) I think it is more important for us to think about where we want our country to go. How do we get there. What are we afraid of. How can we work on those fears or buy them off. because the way we are headed is dangerous and it seems to me there are powerful outside interests who are enjoying the helloutta our flailing and failures. Russia is one, but there are many others who like to see the powerful fall without really foreseeing the consequences of what happens after that.
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday told Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas that American President Donald Trump had authorized the Russian leader to speak on his behalf.
According to a Reuters report, Abbas and Putin spoke about the U.S. role in Mideast peace negotiations during a conference in Moscow.
We state that from now on we refuse to cooperate in any form with the U.S. in its status of a mediator, as we stand against its actions,” Abbas said.
Putin revealed during the meeting that he “had just spoken by telephone with U.S. President Donald Trump,” Reuters reported.
“Naturally we spoke about the Palestinian-Israeli settlement,” Putin said, telling Abbas: “I would like to convey to you his best wishes.”
Putin also commented that stability in the region is “far from what we want to see.