Political Roundtable Part XXI
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:38 pm
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dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:The enforcement change should NEVER have been made - regardless. Ever.
And they closed the port of entries - so they couldn't claim asylum.
This was abhorrent and incredibly stupid.
So. Open borders for anyone with children. That's your position.
Ha! You have read my posts - you know that isn't the case. But if it is to intern kids and separate from their parents - I (like most) would rather keep the kids with their parents.
This administration tried to force the issue this way (they closed the ports of entry to force people to come across illegally and then separated kids from their parents - and it has backfired badly. This administration has no clue on how to get stuff through.
nate33 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:So. Open borders for anyone with children. That's your position.
Ha! You have read my posts - you know that isn't the case. But if it is to intern kids and separate from their parents - I (like most) would rather keep the kids with their parents.
This administration tried to force the issue this way (they closed the ports of entry to force people to come across illegally and then separated kids from their parents - and it has backfired badly. This administration has no clue on how to get stuff through.
I've read your posts and despite me asking several times, you've provided no solutions. You condemn Trump enforcing the law without acknowledging that if he doesn't, we have open borders for people with children. You can't have it both ways. Which is it? Open borders or enforce existing law?
nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:Ha! You have read my posts - you know that isn't the case. But if it is to intern kids and separate from their parents - I (like most) would rather keep the kids with their parents.
This administration tried to force the issue this way (they closed the ports of entry to force people to come across illegally and then separated kids from their parents - and it has backfired badly. This administration has no clue on how to get stuff through.
I've read your posts and despite me asking several times, you've provided no solutions. You condemn Trump enforcing the law without acknowledging that if he doesn't, we have open borders for people with children. You can't have it both ways. Which is it? Open borders or enforce existing law?
I have answered you and in the thread an in general.
I am not for birthright or familial preference based immigration. I believe it should be age and skills based first and foremost. But I certainly don't agree with the NO immigration policy posited by this administration. We have a severe demographic and growth issue (due to the financial hole we have dug for ourselves).
I am for a DACA compromise with a hard deportation policy that goes with the compromise. I am certainly NOT for tying a wall into the compromise legislation.
But - in no uncertain terms - should children ever be held hostage on this issue.
And the reason this legislation isn't moving forward is that there isn't a super majority of Republicans in congress that supports this Administrations proposal (mostly because it isn't very good and isn't supported by a majority of Americans).
But - in no uncertain terms - should children ever be held hostage on this issue due to the incompetence of this administration to lobby the Rs.
nate33 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:I've read your posts and despite me asking several times, you've provided no solutions. You condemn Trump enforcing the law without acknowledging that if he doesn't, we have open borders for people with children. You can't have it both ways. Which is it? Open borders or enforce existing law?
I have answered you and in the thread an in general.
I am not for birthright or familial preference based immigration. I believe it should be age and skills based first and foremost. But I certainly don't agree with the NO immigration policy posited by this administration. We have a severe demographic and growth issue (due to the financial hole we have dug for ourselves).
I am for a DACA compromise with a hard deportation policy that goes with the compromise. I am certainly NOT for tying a wall into the compromise legislation.
But - in no uncertain terms - should children ever be held hostage on this issue.
And the reason this legislation isn't moving forward is that there isn't a super majority of Republicans in congress that supports this Administrations proposal (mostly because it isn't very good and isn't supported by a majority of Americans).
But - in no uncertain terms - should children ever be held hostage on this issue due to the incompetence of this administration to lobby the Rs.
I can't seem to get you to answer one simple question. I'll try again, keeping it as narrow as possible.
I'm referring to situations when a family sneaks across the border, gets caught, and demands asylum. We detain them while awaiting their asylum hearing, which can take several weeks. However, after 20 days, our law says we can't detain the kids anymore. So we send them to a relative if one is available, or we put them in foster care while awaiting the asylum hearing. What other alternative do you propose? That's it. That's my single question. What alternative solution to separating the family do you propose? Please answer that before bashing Trump's policy.
dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:I have answered you and in the thread an in general.
I am not for birthright or familial preference based immigration. I believe it should be age and skills based first and foremost. But I certainly don't agree with the NO immigration policy posited by this administration. We have a severe demographic and growth issue (due to the financial hole we have dug for ourselves).
I am for a DACA compromise with a hard deportation policy that goes with the compromise. I am certainly NOT for tying a wall into the compromise legislation.
But - in no uncertain terms - should children ever be held hostage on this issue.
And the reason this legislation isn't moving forward is that there isn't a super majority of Republicans in congress that supports this Administrations proposal (mostly because it isn't very good and isn't supported by a majority of Americans).
But - in no uncertain terms - should children ever be held hostage on this issue due to the incompetence of this administration to lobby the Rs.
I can't seem to get you to answer one simple question. I'll try again, keeping it as narrow as possible.
I'm referring to situations when a family sneaks across the border, gets caught, and demands asylum. We detain them while awaiting their asylum hearing, which can take several weeks. However, after 20 days, our law says we can't detain the kids anymore. So we send them to a relative if one is available, or we put them in foster care while awaiting the asylum hearing. What other alternative do you propose? That's it. That's my single question. What alternative solution to separating the family do you propose? Please answer that before bashing Trump's policy.
Assuming that they came across by themselves. This if fine.
If they came across with their parent - they should stay with that parent through the entire detainment process. They should never be separated.
nate33 wrote:dckingsfan wrote:nate33 wrote:I've read your posts and despite me asking several times, you've provided no solutions. You condemn Trump enforcing the law without acknowledging that if he doesn't, we have open borders for people with children. You can't have it both ways. Which is it? Open borders or enforce existing law?
I have answered you and in the thread an in general.
I am not for birthright or familial preference based immigration. I believe it should be age and skills based first and foremost. But I certainly don't agree with the NO immigration policy posited by this administration. We have a severe demographic and growth issue (due to the financial hole we have dug for ourselves).
I am for a DACA compromise with a hard deportation policy that goes with the compromise. I am certainly NOT for tying a wall into the compromise legislation.
But - in no uncertain terms - should children ever be held hostage on this issue.
And the reason this legislation isn't moving forward is that there isn't a super majority of Republicans in congress that supports this Administrations proposal (mostly because it isn't very good and isn't supported by a majority of Americans).
But - in no uncertain terms - should children ever be held hostage on this issue due to the incompetence of this administration to lobby the Rs.
I can't seem to get you to answer one simple question. I'll try again, keeping it as narrow as possible.
I'm referring to situations when a family sneaks across the border, gets caught, and demands asylum. We detain them while awaiting their asylum hearing, which can take several weeks. However, after 20 days, our law says we can't detain the kids anymore. So we send them to a relative if one is available, or we put them in foster care while awaiting the asylum hearing. What other alternative do you propose? That's it. That's my single question. What alternative solution to separating the family do you propose? Please answer that before bashing Trump's policy.
Zonkerbl wrote:Nate, you're dead wrong. You didn't prove any points - all you did was show that you are blinded by hate.
You've lost all credibility with me and I simply won't engage with you on this topic. You have taken the side of terrorism. Let the grownups discuss this policy - you go sit at the kid's table.
Right now the discussion is going to focus around undoing the horrific damage you and your evil friends have inflicted on these innocent children. That's going to be the main priority now.