dckingsfan wrote: prime1time wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Tbh, I think both of them have a ceiling of mediocre on defense. Given that, they both really need to become good 3 point shooters in order to be legit NBA starters, imo.
Many many years ago, I remember being in basketball camp - learning the art of the catch and shoot - even before the 3 point shot was popular. Ya gotta be in position to shoot before you catch the ball. It's not that hard - just have your feet set and bend your knees ready to shoot as the ball comes your way. But I guess it's harder to do that at NBA speed than 14 year old camp speed. Man, Jerian Grant could have had several easy 3's last game, but he just hasn't mastered the catch and shoot art. Players have to learn to play off the ball - even if they were point guards. Should learn that before you get to HS.
A lot of defense is just energy and awareness. They don't need to be all-team defensive players, but the team needs to play good defense as a whole. Look at the Cavs Warriors finals. Who on those Cavs teams were great defenders? Yet they slowed down the Warriors (non-KD).
I think that is anecdotal to the argument. I think that the future of both of them hinges both on their ability to get to be reasonably solid defenders AND hit the 3.
Now, if we are flipping away from individuals and to team. Yes, I agree that with the right players you can hide marginal defenders. Problem is, that would give us (if you will Wall, Beal, TBJr and Rui. It would be very hard to hide all four, no?
You misread my argument. I'm not flipping between individual defense and team defense, I'm saying other than giving out awards and trophies individual defense is irrelevant. If the player isn't a siv, they are good enough to be a member of a good defensive team. Defense is about communication, rotations and smarts. I'd argue that 25-30% is individual and the 70 to 75% is team. You put the same players that need to "improve on defense" on a good defensive team and they'd play defense. Would they stop everyone? No. But that's not that relevant anyway. Ultimately what I'm trying to say is that what needs to happen is that the Wiz need to create a culture of playing defense.
I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying that from what I've seen watching basketball defensive improvement comes when players are in an environment that requires defense. Tbh, I couldn't even tell you if they are actually bad defenders because I've never seen them, IMO, go all out playing defense. That's not even a knock on them. No one on the Wiz plays defense.